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Subject: Are Spartans better warriors than the sangheili?

The Halo Trilogy says yes for every time Master Chief slays an Elite.

Well, Halo 1 & 2 anyway.

[Edited on 11.12.2011 1:27 PM PST]

  • 11.12.2011 1:24 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Posted by: Spartan319
A soldier is responsable of the defence and safety of civilians.
A warrior is unresponsable.

and where the heck does this come from?

Conflicting view points on the differences.

  • 11.12.2011 1:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Spartan319
A soldier is responsable of the defence and safety of civilians.
A warrior is unresponsable.


and where the heck does this come from?


If you are American (USA Citizen) you must know what is the difference between warrior and soldier. You must understand.

  • 11.12.2011 1:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan319

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Spartan319
A soldier is responsable of the defence and safety of civilians.
A warrior is unresponsable.


and where the heck does this come from?


If you are American (USA Citizen) you must know what is the difference between warrior and soldier. You must understand.


Oh really?

Cause What I found in a short bit of searching says different then what you say.

  • 11.12.2011 1:33 PM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.

What?

You want found in internet a concept of be a warrior or soldier?
It's a thing you have to know without others tell you.

  • 11.12.2011 1:37 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Well if we're judging all Spartans vs all Elites on average it's pretty unfair towards Elites. You've got the good and the bad of an entire species vs the good and bad of a small number of a species who were specifically raised for war.

  • 11.12.2011 1:49 PM PDT

Hold it right there.

Hello. Name's Brian. Look, if you're looking for a flame war with me, just open up the Flood and write up some not-nice things about religion and I'll bring my nukes to the party.

If you want some other way to contact me, you can forget it.

If you're interested in some of my work, you can check my homepage out.

As far as I know, Spartans are thoroughly trained in all fields from a young age, and that may be Spartans' main advantage over your average Elite. While physically I consider the average Elite to be stronger than Spartans, and they do count with some degree of combat experience and training, it doesn't compare to a Spartan's training. Of course, when we climb up the ladder, higher ranking Elites would stand a better chance, not just due to better equipment but having combat experience similar to most Spartans.

  • 11.12.2011 1:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Well if we're judging all Spartans vs all Elites on average it's pretty unfair towards Elites. You've got the good and the bad of an entire species vs the good and bad of a small number of a species who were specifically raised for war.


Consider numerbers and technology? I think the Elites are more advanced than Spartans. But the level of efficency on the battlefield is the same.

  • 11.12.2011 1:53 PM PDT
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I dont think being trained from a young age helps at all, I think an individual must grow up normally and know what it is to have a life apart from war because it would help the individual realise the purpose of fighting, to protect the average life. Also someone who is raised normally and then trained would have a greater grasp on how people work and why they make certain choices.

  • 11.12.2011 10:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Spartan319
What?

You want found in internet a concept of be a warrior or soldier?
It's a thing you have to know without others tell you.


You aren't making much sense, nor did you explain why because I'm American I should "magically know the difference."

  • 11.12.2011 10:38 PM PDT

You're either first or you're last.

You'll never amount to anything, go back under your bridge.

Now imagine if elites had equivalent armor. Oh Lawd

  • 11.12.2011 10:42 PM PDT

"You can leave now and beat the traffic, or you can stick around and beat your meat." - Mark Hoppus

The warrior v soldier argument is, in my opinion, irrelevant, as far as this competition goes. I think that Spartans and Sanghelli are even. Obviously John can kick ass and take names, as can a Zealot. When comparing two things you don't look at the outliers. Unfortunately, I have not seen an "average" Spartan in any of the games, which is the extent of my Halo lore. Barring that, I would like to believe that, out of ten evenly matched Spartan v Elite matches, each would win five.

  • 11.12.2011 10:42 PM PDT


Posted by: iTz PaNDeMiKx
The warrior v soldier argument is, in my opinion, irrelevant, as far as this competition goes. I think that Spartans and Sanghelli are even. Obviously John can kick ass and take names, as can a Zealot. When comparing two things you don't look at the outliers. Unfortunately, I have not seen an "average" Spartan in any of the games, which is the extent of my Halo lore. Barring that, I would like to believe that, out of ten evenly matched Spartan v Elite matches, each would win five.


Yeah, warrior vs soldier is mostly semantics and personal viewpoint.

About your final line, that is how they hint sometimes, but people pull out "Oh, Spartans have killed more elites then Elites have killed Spartans, therefore spartans win all the time."

  • 11.12.2011 11:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Arbiter8282
I dont think being trained from a young age helps at all, I think an individual must grow up normally and know what it is to have a life apart from war because it would help the individual realise the purpose of fighting, to protect the average life. Also someone who is raised normally and then trained would have a greater grasp on how people work and why they make certain choices.


You may not remember, but John's view changed throughout the course of the novels he was in. I can give two instances of this.

1.At the start, John viewed marines as something to be protected, more of an objective and excess baggage rather than human beings. But over the course of time, especially the battles held on Halo, John began to see the marines as, well, humans. He began thinking more about them and their limits, putting himself in harms way so they didn't have to.

2. Halsey gives John two data crystals containing information on The Flood. One contains info on Johnson's unique condition and all available data on The Flood, which will surely lead to Johnson's death at the hands of ONI in an attempt to study him and find a way to combat the flood.

The other simply contained all available info on the flood excluding Johnson's condition blocking him from being infected. At first, John, without hesitation chose the first option. but at the end of the events of TFS, John chooses the second option, crushing the first one into dust.

Sacrifice one Human life, to have a tiny chance at saving millions when the Flood is encountered over a small chance of a cure?

The events of Halo finally put things into context for John, it showed him what he was really fighting for, the life of every man woman and child.

[Edited on 11.13.2011 12:55 AM PST]

  • 11.13.2011 12:55 AM PDT

Well.. i have been playing Halo every sense the day it came out. And i am a very skilled halo Player. I am 24 and happily married with one child named Amore. that is all.. I'll see you StarSide.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I suppose that would have to be John, so if we're talking hand-to-hand, then I say he wins. But with energy swords? He's done for.
no no no your way wrong, the elite would have to be good with it. but we have all played halo and killed elites with energy swords. right?

  • 11.13.2011 12:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: KillJack0822

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I suppose that would have to be John, so if we're talking hand-to-hand, then I say he wins. But with energy swords? He's done for.
no no no your way wrong, the elite would have to be good with it. but we have all played halo and killed elites with energy swords. right?


Chief got his ass handed to him in an energy sword duel by an Elite Major, who killed a Spartan before meeting Chief.

  • 11.13.2011 1:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: KillJack0822

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I suppose that would have to be John, so if we're talking hand-to-hand, then I say he wins. But with energy swords? He's done for.
no no no your way wrong, the elite would have to be good with it. but we have all played halo and killed elites with energy swords. right?


A Major bested John in an Energy Sword duel in less than a minute and would have killed him if it wasn't for the shipmaster having to jump into slipspace and separating the ship, leaving John in one side and taking the Major with him.

  • 11.13.2011 1:16 AM PDT

Well.. i have been playing Halo every sense the day it came out. And i am a very skilled halo Player. I am 24 and happily married with one child named Amore. that is all.. I'll see you StarSide.

Hmm...? I could'nt find Chuck Norris on that list...

  • 11.13.2011 1:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: KillJack0822
Hmm...? I could'nt find Chuck Norris on that list...


Monsters check under their beds for Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris checks under his bed for Gordon Freeman.

Gordon Freeman checks under his bed for his crowbar.

  • 11.13.2011 1:54 AM PDT

Well.. i have been playing Halo every sense the day it came out. And i am a very skilled halo Player. I am 24 and happily married with one child named Amore. that is all.. I'll see you StarSide.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: KillJack0822

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
I suppose that would have to be John, so if we're talking hand-to-hand, then I say he wins. But with energy swords? He's done for.
no no no your way wrong, the elite would have to be good with it. but we have all played halo and killed elites with energy swords. right?

What spartan are you talking about.
Chief got his ass handed to him in an energy sword duel by an Elite Major, who killed a Spartan before meeting Chief.


[Edited on 11.13.2011 3:27 AM PST]

  • 11.13.2011 3:26 AM PDT

They come now... and they take us... the tide rises.


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Spartan319
What?

You want found in internet a concept of be a warrior or soldier?
It's a thing you have to know without others tell you.


You aren't making much sense, nor did you explain why because I'm American I should "magically know the difference."


Becouse you as an American, have a great military tradiction.

  • 11.13.2011 6:46 AM PDT

United Armed Forces

Better warriors? That's subjective. You have to be more specific. I'd say Sangheili follow your traditional "Warrior Code" much better.

  • 11.13.2011 6:58 AM PDT

United Armed Forces


Posted by: Spartan319

Becouse you as an American, have a great military tradiction.


Because I'm american, I have ignorant arrogance?

Most other cultures have THOUSANDS OF YEARS of existence.

America is NOT EVEN 250 YEARS OLD. Sure, our nation was forged in fire. Whose wasn't? Britain has a long history battling it out with more powerful neighbors, and then fighting years and years with France.

Germany very nearly took over Europe if it hadn't been for Japan.

So many other cultures have just as much of a history of fighting... MORE of a history, than America. Your ignorance on this subject is what makes me cringe to be an American citizen.

A warrior is something that is self evident. Every soldier in the army is a warrior fighting for what they believe is right.

[Edited on 11.13.2011 7:04 AM PST]

  • 11.13.2011 7:03 AM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

Average Spartans don't exist idiot.
no offence but all Spartans are the same but some are more developed in tactics but that doesn't mean anything.

Change average spartan vs average elite in ODST vs average elite.

  • 11.13.2011 9:02 AM PDT


Posted by: DeBleserMike
Average Spartans don't exist idiot.
no offence but all Spartans are the same but some are more developed in tactics but that doesn't mean anything.

Change average spartan vs average elite in ODST vs average elite.


Um, why can''t Average Spartans exsist?

Just because they are better then ODST's doesn't mean that among themselves Bob - 057 (randomly named spartan and number) isn't super remarkable compared to the others.

  • 11.13.2011 10:43 AM PDT

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