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Subject: Get karen Traviss out of Halo!!!!

After Reading GlassLands, I saw Halsey act like a preteen, arguing with Mendez for no real reason, Spartans walking around for weeks doing NOTHING!!!! Oni personel playing fed-ex... all the While Ms. Traviss is glorifying this old goat that was seen a few times in ghosts of onyx, and some spartan 2 drop out, and her band of made up characters. the moment i finished reading that book i was shocked at how little traviss actually knew about Halo.

Honestly..... im not going to buy another traviss halo book.. 343 needs to get rid of her!!! i should have known better after i read that stupid short story she wrote in evolutions, but i guess i thats a $17 lesson learned.

  • 11.11.2011 3:28 PM PDT

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Well, I cant blame you or anyone else that feels that way. It was well written, but it felt more like a fanfic than a real halo novel. I just hope 343 doesnt take the entire universe in this direction. Before reading i felt like this universe had the potential to expand into something great again, but while i was reading the universe suddenly felt so small.

  • 11.11.2011 9:01 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

She's a fine writer, but she should really verse herself in the lore more. "Human Weakness" was a great short story, but "Glasslands" is much to be desired.

  • 11.11.2011 9:02 PM PDT

yas334229812

true her talents are being used in a wrong way.

She has talents and can do alot in the halo universe, all that matters is where.

  • 11.11.2011 9:09 PM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

She said at the Halo-fest panel that she has not had any other experience with Halo. She hadn't played any of the games or read any of the other books. She said something about not wanting to favourite characters and have a clear mind. She is bloody crazy.

  • 11.11.2011 9:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: risay_117
true her talents are being used in a wrong way.

She has talents and can do alot in the halo universe, all that matters is where.


I can agree with this.

  • 11.11.2011 9:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

I'm pretty sure the authors get this stuff from the Halo bible, they don't just make up canon as they go.

  • 11.11.2011 9:16 PM PDT

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  • 11.11.2011 9:33 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Sounds to me it's more like,

"Karen Travis paints a great picture of the post-war Haloverse and created great characters!"

"It's not her fault, 343 has the the Halo Bible."

Seems like peopel take one of the other depending on what the mood for Travis' work is.

  • 11.11.2011 9:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
I'm pretty sure the authors get this stuff from the Halo bible, they don't just make up canon as they go.

Pretty sure it covers things within the wartime and some of the pre-wartime Universe. As far as I know, this storyline was "invented." The "Halo Bible" can't have EVERYTHING, it is not prophetic.

  • 11.11.2011 9:44 PM PDT


Posted by: jack0fhearts
Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
I'm pretty sure the authors get this stuff from the Halo bible, they don't just make up canon as they go.

Pretty sure it covers things within the wartime and some of the pre-wartime Universe. As far as I know, this storyline was "invented." The "Halo Bible" can't have EVERYTHING, it is not prophetic.


this. I understand a lot of you have issues with the story, and that's valid, I do too, but The Halo Bible doesn't have every bit of the story for the foreseeable future. If that were the case, why would they even hire an author to come up with the story when it's right there in front of them.

  • 11.12.2011 12:59 AM PDT


Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
I'm pretty sure the authors get this stuff from the Halo bible, they don't just make up canon as they go.


No.
Not every writer is being granted access to the Halo Bible. A lot of the writers for Evolutions for instance had to go from what they've played themselves, read themselves or got as a basic context from Bungie/MS/343i.
I think it's fair to say only Nylund might have had access to the Halo Bible, as he basically co-wrote the thing.

That being said, I still have to read Glasslands.It still doesn't appeal to me at all, so that might take a while and I'm afraid I too will rather have Traviss out of Halo (based upon what I've read so far)

  • 11.12.2011 1:07 AM PDT
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I like glasslands...im in chapter 12 right now.
It was abit confusing with the Jul stories but i got through that.

  • 11.12.2011 1:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: SteroidKloud
She said at the Halo-fest panel that she has not had any other experience with Halo. She hadn't played any of the games or read any of the other books. She said something about not wanting to favourite characters and have a clear mind. She is bloody crazy.

Yeah. She also said something about approaching it from a journalistic standpoint. I remember thinking, "Lady, if you want to be a journalist, why are you writing Halo?" I lost pretty much all hope for Glasslands during that panel.

OT: I would agree, though I don't see it happening. Frank O'Connor made it clear that he supported her, despite objections from many, many fans. I don't think she is a bad writer, but the Halo Universe, in my opinion, is most definitely not for her.

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  • 11.12.2011 3:59 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

It's clear that OP never read Glasslands and just searches for pathetic excuses to bash it.

  • 11.12.2011 7:57 AM PDT

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I honestly prefer her writing style to Nylund's. Eric Nylund seems more fit for writing action-adventure while Traviss seems intent on developing characters. Seeing as the novels are based on a sci-fi first person shooter, I think Nylund's style is what fans of the series have come to enjoy and expect, and it's why Traviss' work is getting a lot of flack: it's not what a lot of fans are used to.

It doesn't necessarily mean it's inferior though.

On the bit about Traviss not having done her homework before writing Glasslands, the only thing that tipped me off to that was how the Sangheili had Jiralhanae working for them. There were several other things that I think were overblown as a result of not having read previous books and being able to fully understand the context, but all in all, I think she did well.

I enjoyed Glasslands, and I look forward to reading more Halo fiction from Karen Traviss in the near future.



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  • 11.12.2011 8:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: hotshot revan II
It's clear that OP never read Glasslands and just searches for pathetic excuses to bash it.
Yet i have read it twice now and feel the same way.


I feel that karen needs to stick with short stories. I think Greg Bear would have done far better with Glasslands.

  • 11.12.2011 8:28 AM PDT

Why is it so few people actually understand how people work? I'm am legitimately baffled at how narrow minded everyone in this forum is to where they can't seem to grasp such simple concepts like psycho-character analysis and human emotions. And by baffled I mean I can say I'm a little depressed at the ignorance I see on a daily basis on this forum.

I've said it before: I'm all for opinions, but if you have one, give me a valid reason, not this "she changed the characters" bull -blam!- I've been hearing for half a month. It may have escaped your notice but this is character devolopment in an entirely character driven story, not change. If you've got a problem with characters that aren't all one dimensional sociopaths with no problem whatsoever with their own dark deeds then get out of Halo. Traviss took contemporary Halo from "All aliens are evil, us vs. them" to the moral grey area we've been hoping to see. Yet when we get it, people cry foul over things that aren't even problems.

They talk about how all Elites are still zealots wanting to wipe out humanity when we have a whopping two Elites to show for that. Some say all of the Elites are still the same, they say all Elites are still Religious nuts who worship the Forerunners despite the recent revelations when they seem to forget entirely the scene where a clan destroyed a Forerunner ruin in hatred. Are there still Forerunner worshippers? Obviously. But to think that all of the Elites would suddenly convert to atheism after 3000 years of worship is straight up idiotic.

They talk as if ONI represents all of humanity's interests and wants when they represent only their own. The point of that part of the story was to convey how the people who would -blam!- it all up are the people in power, true power. This does not in any way imply all of humanity wants the Elites destroyed and is in fact repeatedly stated it isn't the case. The fact people are calling BS against Traviss for having ONI try and destroy the Elites only tells me everyone here thinks they know the whole story. I agree whole heartedly that with what we know now Parangosky's actions against the Elites are seriously jumping the gun and foolish. We do not know what will happen to ONI and the Elite operation in books 2 and 3 however, and in fact don't even know what Parangosky's ultimate goal is, which could be argued was to weed out the Arbiter's enemies (friendly reminder: ONI never reveals their entire plan to anyone) or for her own personal gain, so to call foul now is rediculous.

I mean I can understand why people wouldn't like it--it does start off slow, and is in fact the reason a friend of mine didn't like it because the beginning is what needs to suck him in. That's an understandable reason. But the reasons I've seen so far on this site all come off to me as desperate half-assed attempts to undermine Traviss' work and reputation in the eyes of the Halo community because they can't seem to comprehend anything but explosions, 1 dimensionality, and Eric Nylund.

I know of at least two others who would agree with me.

  • 11.12.2011 8:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

It is the mere fact the whole hate on halsey comes from clones and the fact maggie can't control her. Which is just poor writing since Ackerson is the war crime hero.

Nothing is wrong with Elites hating Humans but the Fact ONI is going to support those that do. What were to happen if The Arbiter does get killed and overthrown? Then ONI would have just supported another war.

  • 11.12.2011 8:36 AM PDT

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  • 11.12.2011 8:37 AM PDT


Posted by: Primo84
I honestly prefer her writing style to Nylund's. Eric Nylund seems more fit for writing action-adventure while Traviss seems intent on developing characters. Seeing as the novels are based on a sci-fi first person shooter, I think Nylund's style is what fans of the series have come to enjoy and expect, and it's why Traviss' work is getting a lot of flack: it's not what a lot of fans are used to.

It doesn't necessarily mean it's inferior though.

On the bit about Traviss not having done her homework before writing Glasslands, the only thing that tipped me off to that was how the Sangheili had Jiralhanae working for them. There were several other things that I think were overblown as a result of not having read previous books and being able to fully understand the context, but all in all, I think she did well.

I enjoyed Glasslands, and I look forward to reading more Halo fiction from Karen Traviss in the near future.



Oh wait a second. You think she never read prior Halo novels or the games? I think you guys misinterprets what she meant by "no prior connections."

When she gets signed on for a project outside of her own universe, she reads and delves into the universe like the nerdiest fanboy. She reads books/chunks of books, manuscripts and the scripts of the games (or even plays them maybe, but I don't know) in order to devolope a psycho-analysis on the characters, and in order to as closely as possible abide by the rules of any government or organization involved. It's only that before getting signed on, she cannot have been involved in the universe or else her pre-existing opinions could get in the way. She is a reporter by nature, and therefore reports on what people's opinions would be in a given situation. Which is why she writes character stories, since between any of us here, I'd imagine a reporter would be the most qualified to understand people.

If she actually never read a Halo book in her life, I'd understand more where you guys were coming from. If she refused to learn about the universe, 343i wouldn't have signed her on. But she does learn, and she learns the -blam!- out of the worlds she's in. Its all apart of the process of reporting, gathering background information, analyzing the situation, "interviewing" characters, by getting to know them via books and encyclopediac works (such as the Bible), etc.

  • 11.12.2011 8:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

If she knows halo canon why are the brutes taking the Lekgolo's role in regards to being loyal to the Sangheili? The Brutes were the reason for the civil war that crippled the Elites yet they are going to trust them over humanity?

Not to mention that the brutes killed swaths more of elites and even at them; yet during that time humanity was allied with the elites.

It makes no sense. not to mention we are pretty much promoting alien slavery. The Lekgolo should be in the Brutes place.


What is up with this idea that "All humans lie"? I have yet to understand where this has stemmed from in a canon sense as it has came out of thin air.

  • 11.12.2011 8:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Ackerson is the war crime hero.
I don't even know what the hell that means.Nothing is wrong with Elites hating Humans but the Fact ONI is going to support those that do. What were to happen if The Arbiter does get killed and overthrown? Then ONI would have just supported another war.This is why I can't take you serious, grey.

This is one of the most straightforward aspects of ONI's intentions; destabilize the Elites. ONI sees a future clash with the remnants of the Covenant as inevitable. Are they jumping the gun? Maybe, but that's debatable. If the Sangheili are too busy fighting amongst themselves, humanity will have time to recoup and rearm for round two, and theoretically face an opponent weakened by a civil war.

The Arbiter has the foresight to realize that being the aggressor in the coming -blam!- storm against his political opponents is not in his or his comrades' best interest. In his eyes, there are more important matters to deal with, and he doesn't want to be the one to throw the first punch.

This creates a stalemate; 'Telcam's faction is militant, completely willing to be the ones to ignite to powder keg, but they don't have the means. They'll commit small covert acts of terrorism, but never enough to ignite an all out war, therefore staying The Arbiter's hand and leaving Sangheili like Jul' 'Mdama as a threat to humanity.

By providing The Arbiter's opposition with a means to revolt, they provide the means to a civil war. Either way, a Sangheili civil war will result in a severely-weakened force at its outcome, whether they're hostile to humanity or not.

And if The Arbiter's faction comes out of top, well that's just aces. (Although humanity is completely -blam!- should Kilo-Six's cover be blown.)

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  • 11.12.2011 8:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: hotshot revan II
It's clear that OP never read Glasslands and just searches for pathetic excuses to bash it.
Yet i have read it twice now and feel the same way.


I feel that karen needs to stick with short stories. I think Greg Bear would have done far better with Glasslands.

Agreed.

  • 11.12.2011 8:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Oh wait a second. You think she never read prior Halo novels or the games? I think you guys misinterprets what she meant by "no prior connections."
I'll admit that I went along with hearsay and didn't read up on this myself.

Doesn't really matter to me; aside from a few things I'll nitpick, I think she did a fine job one way or another.

  • 11.12.2011 8:57 AM PDT

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