Bungie Universe
This topic has moved here: Subject: Get karen Traviss out of Halo!!!!
  • Subject: Get karen Traviss out of Halo!!!!
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3
Subject: Get karen Traviss out of Halo!!!!
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: grey101
Ackerson is the war crime hero.
I don't even know what the hell that means.Nothing is wrong with Elites hating Humans but the Fact ONI is going to support those that do. What were to happen if The Arbiter does get killed and overthrown? Then ONI would have just supported another war.This is why I can't take you serious, grey.

This is one of the most straightforward aspects of ONI's intentions; destabilize the Elites. ONI sees a future clash with the remnants of the Covenant as inevitable. Are they jumping the gun? Maybe, but that's debatable. If the Sangheili are too busy fighting amongst themselves, humanity will have time to recoup and rearm for round two, and theoretically face an opponent weakened by a civil war.

The Arbiter has the foresight to realize that being the aggressor in the coming -blam!- storm against his political opponents is not in his or his comrades' best interest. In his eyes, there are more important matters to deal with, and he doesn't want to be the one to throw the first punch.

This creates a stalemate; 'Telcam's faction is militant, completely willing to be the ones to ignite to powder keg, but they don't have the means. They'll commit small covert acts of terrorism, but never enough to ignite an all out war, therefore staying The Arbiter's hand and leaving Sangheili like Jul' 'Mdama as a threat to humanity.

By providing The Arbiter's opposition with a means to revolt, they provide the means to a civil war. Either way, a Sangheili civil war will result in a severely-weakened force at its outcome, whether they're hostile to humanity or not.

And if The Arbiter's faction comes out of top, well that's just aces. (Although humanity is completely -blam!- should Kilo-Six's cover be blown.)



Pretty much Ackerson commits all sorts of crimes yet is praised because he followed the roles yet halesy does one thing wrong and shes done.


Thats alot of assuming and hoping on your part. who are you to honestly say a full scale war wouldn't happen within the elites? As i have said ONI supporting this isn't nowhere as smart as they should be for an organization.

It would be better for them to be trying to work with the brutes in attacking the Elites. Or attacking Elite ships and making it look like Brutes did it. The point is they should be promoting more wars between the elites and brutes so both can use up personal and ships.

Elites fighting Elites Isn't going to be as helping if an Anti-humanity faction takes control nor would it weaken the brutes.

  • 11.12.2011 9:00 AM PDT

My YouTube Channel
Bungiepedia Page

"Sometimes life gives you lemons, and then you have to say 'f**k the lemons' and bail."

If you're reading this, you need to stop stalking me. If you can't stop stalking me, you might as well go here.

Posted by: grey101
Lekgolo
Did you even play Halo 3?
The Brutes were the reason for the civil war that crippled the Elites yet they are going to trust them over humanity?One of my few gripes with Glasslands.
What is up with this idea that "All humans lie"? I have yet to understand where this has stemmed from in a canon sense as it has came out of thin air.:|

This is a completely serious question, so don't think I'm attacking you: have you ever interacted with another person before? Does something that exists in reality really have to be foreshadowed in earlier fiction to be valid withing the context of the story? Should a previous Halo author have clarified that the grass is green and water is wet, or will you be calling 'continuity error' on that should it also be brought up?

  • 11.12.2011 9:02 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Primo84
Posted by: grey101
Lekgolo
Did you even play Halo 3?
The Brutes were the reason for the civil war that crippled the Elites yet they are going to trust them over humanity?One of my few gripes with Glasslands.
What is up with this idea that "All humans lie"? I have yet to understand where this has stemmed from in a canon sense as it has came out of thin air.:|

This is a completely serious question, so don't think I'm attacking you: have you ever interacted with another person before? Does something that exists in reality really have to be foreshadowed in earlier fiction to be valid withing the context of the story? Should a previous Halo author have clarified that the grass is green and water is wet, or will you be calling 'continuity error' on that should it also be brought up?


No i didn't i just hacked my xbl account and talk trash about it for no reason.


In halo 2 you clearly have lekgolo supporting the Elite's Faction of the Civil war, this is carried behind the scenes in halo 3 because bungie felt "It would confuse people if they were on both sides". Which is why i hate halo 3. The Halo encyclopedia and various art books still state that the lekgolo are fiercely loyal to the Sangheili and will support them not to mention they hate humans the most.

There is no reason for the legkolo not to be on both sides but now that it is over some should still be working with the elites.




Still elaborate on why all of a sudden Humanity is just a race of hive-minded liars.

  • 11.12.2011 9:07 AM PDT

My YouTube Channel
Bungiepedia Page

"Sometimes life gives you lemons, and then you have to say 'f**k the lemons' and bail."

If you're reading this, you need to stop stalking me. If you can't stop stalking me, you might as well go here.

Posted by: grey101Just stop posting; this is all over your head, and you're just wasting time at this point.Pretty much Ackerson commits all sorts of crimes yet is praisedWhen? Page number? Parangosky is the only person who says anything remotely positive about Ackerson, but only because it's in contrast to Halsey, whom she obviously clashes personalities with.

Your hero Halsey is a legitimate war criminal, by the way, and objectively so. No grey area about it.

Now, I'm not going to elaborate any further on that point, because I want to see if you're able to figure out how she is, or if you'll just jump on a completely separate issue.

Now is when we see if you were paying attention.Thats alot of assuming and hoping on your part.I just completely spelled it out for you. It's not directly stated (to my knowledge) in the book, probably because it's kind of obvious.

FFS, just read this if you're still in the dark.who are you to honestly say a full scale war wouldn't happen within the elites?What?

A civil war amongst the Sangheili? Or humanity waging a war against the Sangheili? As i have said ONI supporting this isn't nowhere as smart as they should be for an organization.

If you mean the former, again, stop posting. That's what ONI is trying to do! They want the Sangheili to fight amongst themselves should the possibility they take up hostilities against humanity again.

Sure, they want The Arbiter's side to win, but it's not going to happen unless his dissenters attack first. The dissenters will always linger if they're not dealt with, posing a threat to humanity.
It would be better for them to be trying to work with the brutes in attacking the Elites.The Brutes are savage; the races of The Covenant could barely trust them, let alone a former enemy.Or attacking Elite ships and making it look like Brutes did it.It's too close to home.

And what if they fail? Their cover is blown, and humanity is back at war with the Sangheili, probably led by The Arbiter.The point is they should be promoting more wars between the elites and brutes so both can use up personal and ships.That's good and fine, but again, the Brutes are savage. There are Sangheili who are willing to cooperate, so first things first.

It's better to focus on destabilizing one faction than throwing one's eggs into one basket and going for both at the same time.Elites fighting Elites Isn't going to be as helping if an Anti-humanity faction takes controlRead my post again.
Read my post again.
Read my post again.
Read my post again.
Read my post again.
Read my post again.
Read my post again.

There already is an anti-human sentiment on Sangheilios. It will always be there as a threat to humanity unless it's dealt with. Pitting Sangheili of that mindset against ones neutral/friendly to humanity is a way to deal with the problem without the ONI and the UNSC committing/risking personnel to do so.

It's better to let The Arbiter's faction take care of it, then mop up the remains of the resistance should they lose, although I think it's a safe assumption to say that this strategy wouldn't be implemented should the anti-human sect stand of chance of putting up a decent fight after fighting a full scale war.

[Edited on 11.12.2011 9:28 AM PST]

  • 11.12.2011 9:26 AM PDT

My YouTube Channel
Bungiepedia Page

"Sometimes life gives you lemons, and then you have to say 'f**k the lemons' and bail."

If you're reading this, you need to stop stalking me. If you can't stop stalking me, you might as well go here.

Posted by: grey101
art books/encyclopedia
Page number?

What does it matter? You said it yourself, Bungie stated that there were Lekgolo fighting on both sides after the Great Schism, as was every other race. Why bring it up? Because they weren't in Glasslands? I wasn't aware that we saw all of Sangheilos in Glasslands.

It's just like the assault rifle in Halo 2 or every other previously seen human weapon in Reach; just because it's not seen or mentioned, it doesn't mean that they're not there. It's not important, so why bring it up?
Still elaborate on why all of a sudden Humanity is just a race of hive-minded liars. All of a sudden? Again, have you ever interacted with strangers? People lie, that's just a fact of life.

Hive-minded? No, but that's how some Sangheili see humans, and why shouldn't they. They're part of a culture that values honor above all else; lying is alien to them. This contrasts with humanity's "screw honesty, we'll debate morality later" approach to the war. And again, why shouldn't they? Humanity was facing an opponent bent on their extinction. What's the point of fighting nobly if there stands the chance that there wont be anyone around at the end to acknowledge it?

Put simply, humanity has ONI, a military intelligence organization whose entire purpose is to gain the upper hand on the enemy by whatever means necessary, whether they have to lie, cheat, or steal.

The Sangheili doesn't have that, and as illustrated by Thel Vadam in The Cole Protocol, aren't completely comfortable fighting that kind of war.

The species of the Covenant tend to be much more obvious with their intentions, whether evil or genuine.

[Edited on 11.12.2011 10:01 AM PST]

  • 11.12.2011 9:43 AM PDT

I'm one of those storm chasers that will never have a TV show because I don't scream at clouds.

I enjoyed Grasslands. None of her characterizations felt off, and there's still a lot of story left to tell. Her approach with this so far seems very similar to how she jumped into the Star Wars series with Republic Commando, and like with that series, I expect her second book will be even better. I wouldn't be surprised if Halsey effectively becomes Traviss' character over her trilogy, similar to how Traviss thoroughly took ownership of Boba Fett in her Legacy Star Wars novels.

[Edited on 11.12.2011 9:46 AM PST]

  • 11.12.2011 9:46 AM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins

I rather liked it.

  • 11.12.2011 9:58 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Oh wait a second. You think she never read prior Halo novels or the games? I think you guys misinterprets what she meant by "no prior connections."

When she gets signed on for a project outside of her own universe, she reads and delves into the universe like the nerdiest fanboy. She reads books/chunks of books, manuscripts and the scripts of the games (or even plays them maybe, but I don't know) in order to devolope a psycho-analysis on the characters, and in order to as closely as possible abide by the rules of any government or organization involved. It's only that before getting signed on, she cannot have been involved in the universe or else her pre-existing opinions could get in the way. She is a reporter by nature, and therefore reports on what people's opinions would be in a given situation. Which is why she writes character stories, since between any of us here, I'd imagine a reporter would be the most qualified to understand people.

If she actually never read a Halo book in her life, I'd understand more where you guys were coming from. If she refused to learn about the universe, 343i wouldn't have signed her on. But she does learn, and she learns the -blam!- out of the worlds she's in. Its all apart of the process of reporting, gathering background information, analyzing the situation, "interviewing" characters, by getting to know them via books and encyclopediac works (such as the Bible), etc.

I am going to ask you to source everything you just said.

Edit: No mention of anything you said here.

Edit 2: So I decided which existing characters I wanted to follow, and looked again at the raw data; the absolute neutral basic facts, i.e. what they did and when they did it. Then I rebuilt the characters using psychological profiling techniques.

[Edited on 11.12.2011 11:16 AM PST]

  • 11.12.2011 10:58 AM PDT

I'm one of those storm chasers that will never have a TV show because I don't scream at clouds.


Posted by: anton1792
I am going to ask you to source everything you just said.

Edit: No mention of anything you said here.


Her journalist background is in her bio in the back of the book, if you want a quick reference.

  • 11.12.2011 11:04 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Hawkofva
Posted by: anton1792
I am going to ask you to source everything you just said.

Edit: No mention of anything you said here.


Her journalist background is in her bio in the back of the book, if you want a quick reference.

It does not say anything about how she approaches writing in another fictional universe.

There is this as well:
So I decided which existing characters I wanted to follow, and looked again at the raw data; the absolute neutral basic facts, i.e. what they did and when they did it. Then I rebuilt the characters using psychological profiling techniques.
So I want to know where Roberto got his info from about her reading into the universe's books and games, because everything I have seen seems to indicate the contrary. She just gets the raw facts, as you read above, nothing about character feelings or faction's behaviours. She rebuilds them the way she thinks they should act.

[Edited on 11.12.2011 11:17 AM PST]

  • 11.12.2011 11:15 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: Hawkofva
Posted by: anton1792
I am going to ask you to source everything you just said.

Edit: No mention of anything you said here.


Her journalist background is in her bio in the back of the book, if you want a quick reference.

It does not say anything about how she approaches writing in another fictional universe.

There is this as well:
So I decided which existing characters I wanted to follow, and looked again at the raw data; the absolute neutral basic facts, i.e. what they did and when they did it. Then I rebuilt the characters using psychological profiling techniques.
So I want to know where Roberto got his info from about her reading into the universe's books and games, because everything I have seen seems to indicate the contrary. She just gets the raw facts, as you read above, nothing about character feelings or faction's behaviours. She rebuilds them the way she thinks they should act.


So it goes back to point one with us saying she had no idea what she was doing.


  • 11.12.2011 11:18 AM PDT


Posted by: anton1792
So I decided which existing characters I wanted to follow, and looked again at the raw data; the absolute neutral basic facts, i.e. what they did and when they did it. Then I rebuilt the characters using psychological profiling techniques.
She just gets the raw facts, as you read above, nothing about character feelings or faction's behaviours. She rebuilds them the way she thinks they should act.


That'd explain the massive sudden change in Mendez and Halsey...

Ugh, I don't see how I can like glasslands when she outright says she doesn't have the characters grow, she "rebuilds them."

  • 11.12.2011 11:21 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

In Glasslands it mentions that the Elites no longer have any qualms about using human weapons. Wut? I thought it was an established fact that they would rather die than use human weapons.

  • 11.12.2011 11:22 AM PDT


Posted by: Xd00999
In Glasslands it mentions that the Elites no longer have any qualms about using human weapons. Wut? I thought it was an established fact that they would rather die than use human weapons.


Them and jackals.

  • 11.12.2011 11:24 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Xd00999
In Glasslands it mentions that the Elites no longer have any qualms about using human weapons. Wut? I thought it was an established fact that they would rather die than use human weapons.


Another think that doesn't add up

How can they talk about never having true peace with us and how disloyal we are because he lie; yet now have no problems using are weapons despite the stigma of a 27 year war?


That is a huge contradiction. "You lie and have no honor yet it is now honorful for me to use your weapons".

  • 11.12.2011 11:27 AM PDT

Humans were thought to be heretics, blaspheming the Forerunners and their artefacts. To use the tools of such blasphemers was akin to heresy.

The Sangheili found out the Prophets lied about humanity. Stigma over using their weapons faded. We saw in Halo 3 Sangheili using human weapons, and in the absence of Huragok producing Covenant armaments they have to make do with what they can get.

  • 11.12.2011 11:42 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Deva Path


Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Humans were thought to be heretics, blaspheming the Forerunners and their artefacts. To use the tools of such blasphemers was akin to heresy.

The Sangheili found out the Prophets lied about humanity. Stigma over using their weapons faded. We saw in Halo 3 Sangheili using human weapons, and in the absence of Huragok producing Covenant armaments they have to make do with what they can get.


I haven't seen any Elite in halo 3 naturally hold a human weapon.


The whole weapons trade was with Elites that sympathized with the arbiter.

Even if this were to be applied to the Elites as a whole why would they use are weapons but not trust us and have such a way against us?


"Yea i hate you and i think you are such a filthy liar but i am going to use your stuff because i can't make any".

sounds childish.

  • 11.12.2011 11:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog
Humans were thought to be heretics, blaspheming the Forerunners and their artefacts. To use the tools of such blasphemers was akin to heresy.

The Sangheili found out the Prophets lied about humanity. Stigma over using their weapons faded. We saw in Halo 3 Sangheili using human weapons, and in the absence of Huragok producing Covenant armaments they have to make do with what they can get.


But then you are left with the blatant stupidity of them going "Oh, it's somewhat okay to use human weapons." while at the same time saying "Humans are all liers and should be killed!"

  • 11.12.2011 11:59 AM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Xd00999
In Glasslands it mentions that the Elites no longer have any qualms about using human weapons. Wut? I thought it was an established fact that they would rather die than use human weapons.


Here is another problem with the anti Glassland guys. Don't even think about putting all Sangheili in a single categorie.

Yea Fred saw Elites rather die then use Human weapons but like wolverfrog says it was in a period when the Sangheili within the Covenant viewed us as heretics.

But look at Arby, he had no problem using a flamethrower on High Charity he also stole a few weapons and gave them to his soldiers(Halo 3)

You guys either are so blinded to search for holes within Glasslands that you don't see the real truth or you guys deliberately ignore canon evidence that disproves your claim.

  • 11.12.2011 12:02 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: Primo84
What is up with this idea that "All humans lie"? I have yet to understand where this has stemmed from in a canon sense as it has came out of thin air.:|

This is a completely serious question, so don't think I'm attacking you: have you ever interacted with another person before? Does something that exists in reality really have to be foreshadowed in earlier fiction to be valid withing the context of the story? Should a previous Halo author have clarified that the grass is green and water is wet, or will you be calling 'continuity error' on that should it also be brought up?

One character, or a few characters in contrast to others who do not share the same point of view is perfectly excusable, but name me a Sangheili character in Glasslands who did not share that exact same viewpoint? Having new feelings introduced to the fiction is perfectly valid so long as they are not so transparently self-serving. The "Humans are liars" quip seems to be the biggest reason that motivates the Sangheili to dissent against Humanity. Without it, there really is not a very strong plot.

And in prior fiction, Humanity's approach to the war (Being innovative) was considered a point of admiration, but now it is considered now a point of disgust. It can be summed up as: "No, the Cole Protocol was not a brilliantly conceived means of retreat as mentioned for Halo 2, it is now a filthy deception". No reason is given as to why this view is held, and despite being told of the "copious amounts of evidence" that Jul has to support, we see none. Okay, the Sangheili are alien and as an honour bound society, lying is completely foreign to them. Or is it? It did not seem to cause Kioda 'Vadum too much hastle when he planned for Thel's assassination upon being elected Kaidon. Their entire political system is based upon deception almost. Given that Traviss admits to re-constructing characters (And by extension the views of entire factions) we cannot assume that what we knew about characters before has any validity now. In the case of Mendez it may make sense that he has had a change in conscience over what is extremely unethical. He grew as a character, but it seems like nothing short of rapid social amnesia on the Sangheili's part.

Or did they forget how much of a powder keg the Brutes are? How easy would it be for a "Loyalist" Brute to poison the food or water supply? Or sabotage some piece of important infrastructure, like say a Nuclear Power Station or something. Did they forget how they built the very Covenant upon the foundation of accepting those who fought valiantly and showed fortitude, thus explaining how Humanity are now the only race in their known history who are not accepted, despite fighting longer and harder than any other race (And being explicitly referred to as a great addition to the Covenant before)?

If factions are "renovated" then assuming that only some Sangheili believe this is false, because nothing we have to base our assumptions on (That there are significant others who do not) can be certain to be valid any more. The author does not look at previous opinions or characterisation, she looks at the cold, hard facts which to her is only two words: Where and When. Nothing more. She also has a fond dislike of having Humanity viewed in a positive light or even as equals by alien cultures, this explaining why the Sangheili suddenly turn 180* in their views about Humans and choose to aggrandize its apparent failings. (Here) I can see Halo evolving into a "Humans are Morons" trope all things considered.

  • 11.12.2011 12:07 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Xd00999
In Glasslands it mentions that the Elites no longer have any qualms about using human weapons. Wut? I thought it was an established fact that they would rather die than use human weapons.


Here is another problem with the anti Glassland guys. Don't even think about putting all Sangheili in a single category.

Yea Fred saw Elites rather die then use Human weapons but like wolverfrog says it was in a period when the Sangheili within the Covenant viewed us as heretics.

But look at Arby, he had no problem using a flamethrower on High Charity he also stole a few weapons and gave them to his soldiers(Halo 3)

You guys either are so blinded to search for holes within Glasslands that you don't see the real truth or you guys deliberately ignore canon evidence that disproves your claim.

These were 'Telcam's group. If it was the Arbiter we were dealing with I would be fine with it. But nope, this is 'Telcam. Of all the Elites he is probably the one most likely to hold on to his old beliefs. I saw no Elites use Human weapons in Halo 3 aside from the Arbiter and that single, solitary cutscene.

And are you using Ad Hominen? Because that argument could be used against you too. I could say you like Glasslands so much you deliberately overlook it's flaws, but I won't. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the subject.

  • 11.12.2011 12:10 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: hotshot revan II

Posted by: Xd00999
In Glasslands it mentions that the Elites no longer have any qualms about using human weapons. Wut? I thought it was an established fact that they would rather die than use human weapons.


Here is another problem with the anti Glassland guys. Don't even think about putting all Sangheili in a single category.

Yea Fred saw Elites rather die then use Human weapons but like wolverfrog says it was in a period when the Sangheili within the Covenant viewed us as heretics.

But look at Arby, he had no problem using a flamethrower on High Charity he also stole a few weapons and gave them to his soldiers(Halo 3)

You guys either are so blinded to search for holes within Glasslands that you don't see the real truth or you guys deliberately ignore canon evidence that disproves your claim.

These were 'Telcam's group. If it was the Arbiter we were dealing with I would be fine with it. But nope, this is 'Telcam. Of all the Elites he is probably the one most likely to hold on to his old beliefs. I saw no Elites use Human weapons in Halo 3 aside from the Arbiter and that single, solitary cutscene.

And are you using Ad Hominen? Because that argument could be used against you too. I could say you like Glasslands so much you deliberately overlook it's flaws, but I won't. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on the subject.


-The old belief that dated before the existence of the Covenant and the war on the Humans.I doubt that that ancient belief said that Humans were heretics.

BTW Arby was using that flamethroer on high charity, then we have Henry using Human weapons against the Flood

-I have no problems with opinions, but wtf complaining about tensions between characters and putting all races into a single categorie is just stupid without putting any thought behind the reasons is just stupid.

  • 11.12.2011 12:44 PM PDT

That belief said doing ANYTHING to forerunner items was heresy. Therefore, to them, humans are the biggest heretics around.

Henry was using a freaking bat, not an assault rifle.


And yes, we are complaining about sudden and random tensions between characters that got along fine before. And The fact Karen literally says she "rebuilt" characters shows a lack of regard for the rest of canon :/.

  • 11.12.2011 1:08 PM PDT
  •  | 
  • Exalted Legendary Member

Do not panic, or you will fail.

I think the biggest problem people are having with Traviss is the way she approached character development. People don't like the whole "re-building" concept. However, I think it worked just fine. There wasn't really enough of Mendez and Halsey for Traviss to portray their characters like that over hundreds of pages. Karen decided to highly develop the characters in a way that fits the characters since they are no longer at war; they no longer have a cover over the morality issues of what they have done. Now, they had to address it and I think Traviss did a pretty good job of it.

  • 11.12.2011 1:53 PM PDT


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Wolverfrog
Humans were thought to be heretics, blaspheming the Forerunners and their artefacts. To use the tools of such blasphemers was akin to heresy.

The Sangheili found out the Prophets lied about humanity. Stigma over using their weapons faded. We saw in Halo 3 Sangheili using human weapons, and in the absence of Huragok producing Covenant armaments they have to make do with what they can get.


But then you are left with the blatant stupidity of them going "Oh, it's somewhat okay to use human weapons." while at the same time saying "Humans are all liers and should be killed!"


Everyone, stop making horrendously formulated dialogue to put your points forward. It's cringe-worthy.

Human weapons work. Sangheili admire their effectiveness, despite their creativity (Halo 2 Limited Edition manual, to cite one source.) Although they may believe humans to be enemies or the liars, it doesn't mean they wouldn't use their weapons.

I'm actually aghast at how linear-minded some on this forum think. Use a bit of imagination and stop restraining your minds with these artificial boxes you place around yourself as you think you know how an alien collective would think over five-hundred years in the future, and apply basic, theoretical logic to a complicated situation.

  • 11.12.2011 4:10 PM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • of 3