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Subject: How do you see Humanity approach its role as Reclaimers?

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

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Honestly, all things considered now, realistically I think they would become xenophobic and cruel after the Human-Covenant war. It will have bread into almost every living Human a burning hatred and suspicion of anything alien that will likely last for generations, and this has been portrayed very heavily in Glasslands. This will only be exasperated further if the knowledge of Humanity's distant past becomes known; about how they were destroyed by yet another alien race and especially given the competition from the other Covenant species and their continued hostility and self-righteousness about the war. Not quite as bad as the Imperium of Man, but probably worse than the attitude of Cerberus. I think anything else would be optimistically naive.

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  • 11.12.2011 3:47 PM PDT

I don't think humanity would make for perfect guardians of life, but then neither were the Forerunners. Every race has its flaws and people who epitomise those flaws; contrarily, there are those who defy those flaws and become shining examples of what it means to be humane.

I seriously doubt humanity will ever assume the role the Forerunners meant us to have, though. One race holding autocracy throughout all life in the galaxy/universe is a dictatorship, no matter how noble the intentions.

Also, the Covenant isn't all there is out there. No doubt there are countless alien life-forms who didn't try to wipe humanity out; we bear no animosity to them. I can imagine much of the wound torn by the great war healed as all those who fought and lost in it die of old age, replaced by a more tolerant generation who haven't seen the glassing of a planet from behind a sheet of glass, or had their immediate family brutally murdered in front of them by the sword of a Sangheili.

Even less than a few months after the war we see humans who realise most of the Covenant didn't understand why they did what they did, such as Dr. Phillips. There's only so long a grudge can be held. Eventually it either gets forgotten or made redundant.

[Edited on 11.12.2011 4:14 PM PST]

  • 11.12.2011 4:02 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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At least the Forerunners got over their fit with humanity and elevated them into a nice position. But I have to agree with Anton on this one. Humanity will remain xenophobic for years to come. And with all this chaos and bitter hatred, good luck attempting to unite any former Covenant race against the Timeless One.

  • 11.12.2011 4:32 PM PDT

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humanity shall take the weapons and artifacts use them as a leg up and now you have something like this world. Third world and first world nations where the first world will do anything to make sure they can stay prosperouse even if crimes are commited in the third world.

Point of matter the chocolate market. Use child labour in africa buy the chocolate cheap and make them in your own country with machines so that it is cheaper and make a whole bunch of money from putting huge profit on it.

  • 11.12.2011 4:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I honestly don't think humanity as a whole or even a fragment will understand the full context of what it means for them to just live. And i say that with the meaning of the human race has been almost exterminated atleast twice now. So humanity will never be able to fully step into any role unless they knew who was wearing the shoes last and where they planned to go in them.


Unless humanity finds out on a large scale in detail their history nothing truly righteous in anyway will happen.
I personally see humanity going the warhammer way by enslaving or exterminating any lifeforms they have due to karen.

  • 11.14.2011 6:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
I honestly don't think humanity as a whole or even a fragment will understand the full context of what it means for them to just live. And i say that with the meaning of the human race has been almost exterminated atleast twice now. So humanity will never be able to fully step into any role unless they knew who was wearing the shoes last and where they planned to go in them.

The number of Humans killed by alien races in Halo is probably a disgracefully high number. How many billions to the Forerunner? 23 billion to the Covenant? Humanity trusting anything that is not Human would be incredibly stupid after everything that has happened. They will not realistically forgive the Covenant races when some like the Sangheili are rubbing it in their faces and feel no remorse for it and dissatisfaction at not finishing it. When they find out that this is the second time it has happened, I do not imagine Humanity being very friendly. More totalitarian to ensure that it does not happen a third time.

  • 11.14.2011 10:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
I honestly don't think humanity as a whole or even a fragment will understand the full context of what it means for them to just live. And i say that with the meaning of the human race has been almost exterminated atleast twice now. So humanity will never be able to fully step into any role unless they knew who was wearing the shoes last and where they planned to go in them.

The number of Humans killed by alien races in Halo is probably a disgracefully high number. How many billions to the Forerunner? 23 billion to the Covenant? Humanity trusting anything that is not Human would be incredibly stupid after everything that has happened. They will not realistically forgive the Covenant races when some like the Sangheili are rubbing it in their faces and feel no remorse for it and dissatisfaction at not finishing it. When they find out that this is the second time it has happened, I do not imagine Humanity being very friendly. More totalitarian to ensure that it does not happen a third time.



So what is the point?


Many of you believe that this "Reclamation" was bestowed by the forerunners in which humanity takes up the mantle and protects the galaxy.


Yet "Protect the galaxy" in itself could be subjective and in this case i see protect humanity. This itself is the biggest evidence against that idea unless you are following the "Plans that don't work out as planned".


Humanity will do what is good for humanity not any other race. Had or have the Sangheili offer even the smallest of remorse and support to humanity maybe that would change. But sadly they won't so expect humanity to rule and dominate exactly like the forerunners did with the same flawed thinking.

  • 11.14.2011 11:19 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: anton1792
Posted by: grey101
I honestly don't think humanity as a whole or even a fragment will understand the full context of what it means for them to just live. And i say that with the meaning of the human race has been almost exterminated atleast twice now. So humanity will never be able to fully step into any role unless they knew who was wearing the shoes last and where they planned to go in them.

The number of Humans killed by alien races in Halo is probably a disgracefully high number. How many billions to the Forerunner? 23 billion to the Covenant? Humanity trusting anything that is not Human would be incredibly stupid after everything that has happened. They will not realistically forgive the Covenant races when some like the Sangheili are rubbing it in their faces and feel no remorse for it and dissatisfaction at not finishing it. When they find out that this is the second time it has happened, I do not imagine Humanity being very friendly. More totalitarian to ensure that it does not happen a third time.






Humanity will do what is good for humanity not any other race. Had or have the Sangheili offer even the smallest of remorse and support to humanity maybe that would change. But sadly they won't so expect humanity to rule and dominate exactly like the forerunners did with the same flawed thinking.


Which is where I think the Forerunners/Precursors come in and teach us the Foreruners' mistakes and how royally screwed that got them in the end. Halo 4, possibly. Its called the Reclaimer Trilogy, so we can argue it is about our upholding of the Mantle (protectors of life, not the galaxy, in my mind). The first step in doing a job is learning how to do it, and by extension, how not to do it.

  • 11.14.2011 3:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The issue is we do not know what the Actual meaning that whole ideology is let alone the forerunner version of it.


And we currently have a timeline in which chief doesn't come back as of 2610. in that and current timeline the forerunners or any other race hasn't contacted earth nor did we war with the elites.


So unless 343 changes that it stays.

  • 11.14.2011 3:04 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Assumptions made: Humanity cares about the Mantle that has failed it twice now, and about Alien species of whom all so far have tried to wipe them out twice and who would gladly finish the job if given the chance.

What does one base these assumptions on?

The Forerunners/Precursors can "teach" all they want, but Humanity would tell them where to stick their Mantle.

[Edited on 11.14.2011 3:12 PM PST]

  • 11.14.2011 3:11 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

And the failure to learn any lessons whatsoever comes full circle.

  • 11.14.2011 3:36 PM PDT
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We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: anton1792
Assumptions made: Humanity cares about the Mantle that has failed it twice now, and about Alien species of whom all so far have tried to wipe them out twice and who would gladly finish the job if given the chance.

What does one base these assumptions on?

The Forerunners/Precursors can "teach" all they want, but Humanity would tell them where to stick their Mantle.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the UNSC and ONI just decide to kill everyone, especially the Forerunners. I mean, what have the Forerunners ever done for us? The made us the inheritors of the Mantle, but that means nothing to us as we don't care about it or know of it. They seriously expect us to go along with their plans after they essentially killed all of us and devolved us into cavemen? I wouldn't trust them. I think going full IoM is the most likely course for humanity.

  • 11.14.2011 3:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: anton1792
Assumptions made: Humanity cares about the Mantle that has failed it twice now, and about Alien species of whom all so far have tried to wipe them out twice and who would gladly finish the job if given the chance.

What does one base these assumptions on?

The Forerunners/Precursors can "teach" all they want, but Humanity would tell them where to stick their Mantle.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the UNSC and ONI just decide to kill everyone, especially the Forerunners. I mean, what have the Forerunners ever done for us? The made us the inheritors of the Mantle, but that means nothing to us as we don't care about it or know of it. They seriously expect us to go along with their plans after they essentially killed all of us and devolved us into cavemen? I wouldn't trust them. I think going full IoM is the most likely course for humanity.


which (for the fourth time now) is going to turn halo into warhammer.

  • 11.14.2011 4:05 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: anton1792
Assumptions made: Humanity cares about the Mantle that has failed it twice now, and about Alien species of whom all so far have tried to wipe them out twice and who would gladly finish the job if given the chance.

What does one base these assumptions on?

The Forerunners/Precursors can "teach" all they want, but Humanity would tell them where to stick their Mantle.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised if the UNSC and ONI just decide to kill everyone, especially the Forerunners. I mean, what have the Forerunners ever done for us? The made us the inheritors of the Mantle, but that means nothing to us as we don't care about it or know of it. They seriously expect us to go along with their plans after they essentially killed all of us and devolved us into cavemen? I wouldn't trust them. I think going full IoM is the most likely course for humanity.


which (for the fourth time now) is going to turn halo into warhammer.

Though you can't say they are completely innocent.

  • 11.14.2011 4:25 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Honestly the only thing that will cause humanity to start embracing other races is if the Timeless One comes around and stats posing a threat to them.

  • 11.14.2011 4:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Elaborate.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: grey101
Elaborate.

The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend. The Timeless One is everyone's enemy (unless there is a crazy plot twist).

  • 11.14.2011 4:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: grey101
Elaborate.

The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend. The Timeless One is everyone's enemy (unless there is a crazy plot twist).



But that could be an issue in itself since the TO would just make some lie so the remaining covenant minded aliens would side with him.

Not to mention from what we currently know none of this "the forerunners return on a large scale, Elite-human war, or the TO returning,etc" happens. 343 has not changed any of the current dates we have from halo 3 and they are even enforcing it.


which means whatever happens just happens to the chief and maybe infinity. it will not be brought to the orion arm atleast not as of 2610.

  • 11.14.2011 4:37 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: grey101
Elaborate.

The Enemy of my Enemy is my friend. The Timeless One is everyone's enemy (unless there is a crazy plot twist).



But that could be an issue in itself since the TO would just make some lie so the remaining covenant minded aliens would side with him.

Not to mention from what we currently know none of this "the forerunners return on a large scale, Elite-human war, or the TO returning,etc" happens. 343 has not changed any of the current dates we have from halo 3 and they are even enforcing it.


which means whatever happens just happens to the chief and maybe infinity. it will not be brought to the orion arm atleast not as of 2610.

Nothing a precision retcon won't fix. Just change 2610 to 25XX and you have yourself a solution. Of course the Covenant races might be a bit shifty around a fifteen meter tall space alien preaching fire and brimstone. I could see the Prophets allying with the TO, though.

  • 11.14.2011 4:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I honestly don't think we need that kind of dramatic action especially if nearly everybody on this forum is already falsely predicting it.


The whole idea of another "covenant" war is already too much to take in. We don't need another complete copy of current events.


If the TO,forerunners,precursors, opposite of precursors; are going to ever come into play it is going to have to be hundreds of years later when everybody is strong enough to play.

  • 11.14.2011 5:10 PM PDT