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Subject: Chief has to die

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

The decision will come down to:

Will Chief make more money for the franchise dead or alive?

What do you think the answer is going to be?

  • 11.13.2011 6:50 AM PDT
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Deadly alive ?

Posted by: dahuterschuter
The decision will come down to:

Will Chief make more money for the franchise dead or alive?

What do you think the answer is going to be?

  • 11.13.2011 7:03 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

I still think he should have died at the end of Halo 3. It would have been the perfect ending for Chief and the game franchise. I wanted to see Halo end with dignity, not die a slow and painful death still struggling to be relevant. Thankfully it hasn't come to that yet.

  • 11.13.2011 7:58 AM PDT

I'm sticking with he survives, and remains with the Forerunner as a protector of something ancient.

  • 11.13.2011 8:21 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Yeah, he should die an honorable death. I hope they do his death right, though. I mean...look at Sgt. Johnson death. One laser beam to the head by 343 Guilty Spark. Couldn't Bungie of done better with the badass that is Sgt. Johnson? He should've went down fighting. I think Chief should do the same.

  • 11.13.2011 8:24 AM PDT
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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Yeah, he should die an honorable death. I hope they do his death right, though. I mean...look at Sgt. Johnson death. One laser beam to the head by 343 Guilty Spark. Couldn't Bungie of done better with the badass that is Sgt. Johnson? He should've went down fighting. I think Chief should do the same.

They wanted it to be unexpected...Epic isnt it ?

  • 11.13.2011 8:42 AM PDT

I liked the idea of John 117's supposed "death", in the diorama trailer for Halo 3. I was kinda disappointed when the game didn't end like that. It really should have, in my opinion. Keeping him alive, through Halo 3 turns him into a right proper superhero... and speaking from the point of view of a real-life Soldier, as well as a published fiction writer... that just doesn't work quite as well.
Sure, lots of fans would have been upset... but look at the sales for Halo Reach! Loved the various characters in that game. Noble Team was a good group of personalities. I think it's time for a new set of characters. Spartan IV's, anyone? Maybe answer our questions about Jun? I mean, what's the point of Jun still being alive, if he's never mentioned again?

As for the talk of PTSD... yes... even real "Super Soldiers" (see also: Navy SEALs/Army Special Forces) can suffer from PTSD. Spartans would be susceptible to that, as well. Hell, it's outright stated that Jun has PTSD. John's probably pretty f'd in the head, after everything he's been through (all his friends are dead, or so he thinks... he's seen way too much fighting... let's not forget the Flood...). I mean, anyone remember the Private, in Halo 3, losing his sanity right before John's eyes, as he recounts his own first experience with the Flood, and what it did to his platoon? That would be enough, right there, for 99.9999% of the world.

  • 11.13.2011 8:42 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.


Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Yeah, he should die an honorable death. I hope they do his death right, though. I mean...look at Sgt. Johnson death. One laser beam to the head by 343 Guilty Spark. Couldn't Bungie of done better with the badass that is Sgt. Johnson? He should've went down fighting. I think Chief should do the same.

They wanted it to be unexpected...Epic isnt it ?

No, I didn't find it epic at all.

  • 11.13.2011 10:28 AM PDT

whats under the bed can hurt you............

if he dies my life is over, maybe if he drifted into space like at the end of halo3 and this time it never continued i would live with that just fine,but not the death of the CHIEF never!!!!!!!!................................................ ............

  • 11.13.2011 10:54 AM PDT


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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
I agree except for the part about Chief having a mental breakdown.


As I recall, you imply that because he's a Spartan, he isn't allowed to have any PTSD or the effects that come with it?


Well, that's what the program trained him to overcome.

It's kind of contradictory and out of character, don't you think?

[Edited on 11.13.2011 12:12 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2011 12:12 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
I agree except for the part about Chief having a mental breakdown.


As I recall, you imply that because he's a Spartan, he isn't allowed to have any PTSD or the effects that come with it?


Well, that's what the program trained him to overcome.

It's kind of contradictory and out of character, don't you think?


They trained him to defeat the growing insurrection. Seriously, everybody has a breaking point. Everyone.

[Edited on 11.13.2011 12:19 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2011 12:14 PM PDT


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
Well, that's what the program trained him to overcome.

It's kind of contradictory and out of character, don't you think?


It's never been said he's been trained to overcome PTSD...

Besides, you can't freaking train for that. It's not out of character.

  • 11.13.2011 12:18 PM PDT

"Halo! Its divine wind will rush through the stars, propelling all who are worthy along the path to salvation."

Once a Soldier has been on the battlefield, he can never be integrated back into society.

  • 11.13.2011 12:25 PM PDT


Posted by: greatestSheriff
Once a Soldier has been on the battlefield, he can never be integrated back into society.


Red would like to put his foot in your ass.

:)

Although he is a recluse.

[Edited on 11.13.2011 6:23 PM PST]

  • 11.13.2011 6:23 PM PDT


Posted by: phearless_K47
but look at the sales for Halo Reach! Loved the various characters in that game. Noble Team was a good group of personalities.


You lost me there.

Anyway, I do agree Chief's story needs to end, but I feel it might be a bit more proper if he "moves on", and partakes on the Great Journey rather then dies straight out. I've been thinking about the meaning of the phrase "Spartans never die," and have been considering the possibilities that could mean something more then just a protocol. I feel it means their legacy will live on forever through the results of their actions. Having the Chief "move on" and join the Forerunners, or in some way be the guardian of the universe from afar could tie into that. He never died, but is in fact just missing, yet he remains the protector he always was.

But I'm getting too specific about something too far away. So I'll just say I agree.

  • 11.13.2011 6:40 PM PDT

No, it's a horrible and useless cliche for the hero to die after his/her epic adventure. And why would that be the only option left for the Chief? Have you even played Halo 4? Are you already judging a game that will be released NEXT YEAR?

Noble Team and the Rookie are perfect examples of why Halo still needs the Chief, he is the man, he is the perfect link between the player and the Halo universe, he succeeds where all the other protagonists after Halo 3 have failed (miserably).

Gosh, first that thread where you tell everyone not to expand their knowledge at Halopedia, and now a thread saying that the Chief needs to die?

  • 11.13.2011 7:10 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I said at the end of the Reclaimer Trilogy Chief needs to die Juan, not in Halo 4. I know actually reading a full paragraph is very hard, but it must be done.

As for the Halopedia deal, yeah, -blam!- it in terms of making THEORIES. It's slow to add new things to it's articles and using the actual books, games and media itself is a far better alternative. That is unless you want people who barely read the Onyx section to keep coming in here to say Chief is going to Onyx.

Gotta ask though, u mad?

  • 11.13.2011 7:14 PM PDT

Yes, I did read that the Chief "should die at the end of the Reclaimer Trilogy", but still, it's like if you had already played Halo 4 and lost your faith in the future stories that will expand the Halo universe, especially the Chief.

And yes, threads where people say that the Chief should die after Halo 6 are -blam!- annoying. Killing the protagonist of the game IS NOT THE ONLY WAY TO CONCLUDE A STORY.

  • 11.13.2011 7:18 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I lost my faith with Glasslands, but the Terminals have given me a little hope. That said, how exactly would you plan to end Chief's story? He has nothing to go back to and I seriously question his mental state at this time. I'd rather Chief die in dignity than survive to be used in case Microsoft needs some cash, so they have 343 craft some BS new enemy that suddenly comes along and we need Chief to save us all once again.

And you say it's cliche, but can you honestly point me to any games where the main protagonist has died recently? The ones with them living outnumber the ones where they don't.

  • 11.13.2011 7:23 PM PDT

Haven't read Glasslands, but being the spoiler whore I am, I know the basic stuff from the book, and I do agree that it's a bit disappointing to see the new direction they are taking with the Universe.

However, at the same time, I like to think that 343I is taking the "EXTREME!!!" direction with the franchise. The best way to describe this is to compare the Halo 2&3 trailers with Halo 4. Obviously, while Halo 2 and 3 had a more calmed trailer, with the Chief preparing himself for an epic adventure. In Halo 4, there are explosions everywhere, the Chief is dodging everything, pretty much like if Michael Bay directed the traier. This (excluding Michael Bay) is an acceptable direction for a game, as long as it remains true to the Halo Universe.

I still believe that the Chief can survive, train future Spartans, remain in cryo-sleep for future adventures, etc. I just happen to like the character, which beats me why people don't like him. And don't give me that bull-blam!- that his character is not developed, especially if you read the novels.

As for games where the protagonist dies, can't think of many examples right now, especially with the loads of homework I have. I do agree that the protagonist survives in most cases, but still, it's a cliche for the protagonist to sacrifice himself in order to save humanity. In any case, the only examples I can think of right now are: Red Dead Redemption, Bioshock 2 (worst sequel ever made), Halo: Reach, Star Wars: The Force Unleashed I guess. Don't know, I hope this thread is still alive tomorrow, it'd be a shame for this to be my last post in here.

  • 11.13.2011 7:38 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Juan Teran
I still believe that the Chief can survive, train future Spartans, remain in cryo-sleep for future adventures, etc. I just happen to like the character, which beats me why people don't like him. And don't give me that bull-blam!- that his character is not developed, especially if you read the novels.


There is going to come a point when there aren't going to be anymore Spartans. I can see it. We've already broken ground into the Spartan-IVs, if they keep making more and more generations of Spartans, then it becomes an FU to the normal people of Halo. I mean, I liked it when Chief essentially said "You don't ask to become a Spartan, you are chosen." Not so with the S-IVs, it's all volunteer.

And honestly, I have to say your notion of them freezing Chief until the next galaxy threatening threat roams around worries me. Don't you see the ridiculousness in that? That basically means Chief is no longer in control of his own destiny, but simply property of the UNSC. How is that living with dignity?

  • 11.13.2011 7:46 PM PDT

Why are you here?

He'll probably die at the end of Halo 6.

And they better make his death good. They're ending Master Chief for god's sake.

  • 11.13.2011 7:56 PM PDT

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