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Subject: Halo CEA Terminals ~ SPOILERS AND SPECULATION
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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Posted by: ajw34307
Well, that's yet to be seen. I noticed a sort of nod to Glasslands, Spark says that the ramifications of someone else gaining control over a Halo Ring would be catastophic and that there are "long plans" referring to that, and in Glasslands humanity have discovered Installation 03.

I can see it, if the Forerunners are the enemy then there would well be a battle for Installation 03 at5 some point.


When Spark said that, I thought about the Timeless One or the race that owned the ship seen in Terminal 5 taking over of the rings.

  • 12.10.2011 1:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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Posted by: Statefarm98
The Ancient Enemy we all know is the Ancient Humans, maybe we find the cure they created? Its possible some survived if they escaped the forerunners(especially since they can cure the flood)?


Doubtful. Spark also refers to the Flood as "The Ancient Enemy." I highly doubt we'll be fighting Ancient Humanity, as that would be kinda retarded. I still think it's the Timeless One and The Flood we're fighting.

  • 12.10.2011 1:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Is it just me or does anyone else get the implication that the installation monitors are Forerunners who ha their mind transferred into an AI construct? Spark says "volunteer" and expresses loneliness, presumably a emotion only felt by sentient beings. There was also that adjunct from The Flood? And the Assembly are talking alot about transferring and what not?
I didn't even realize it was disputed, it just seems so obvious to me. The way Spark talks about the Domain as if he has actually experienced it, and several other things.

But yes at some point they were definitely Forerunner.
/me talking about my opinion as if it were fact.

[Edited on 12.10.2011 1:57 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2011 1:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Is it just me or does anyone else get the implication that the installation monitors are Forerunners who ha their mind transferred into an AI construct? Spark says "volunteer" and expresses loneliness, presumably a emotion only felt by sentient beings. There was also that adjunct from The Flood? And the Assembly are talking alot about transferring and what not?
I didn't even realize it was disputed, it just seems so obvious to me. The way Spark talks about the Domain as if he has actually experienced it, and several other things.

But yes at some point they were definitely Forerunner.
/me talking about my opinion as if it were fact.

I wasn't suggesting it was disputed, merely wondering if I missed something important in my absence. It seems not so at least my interpretation isn't unique. Hopefully?

  • 12.10.2011 8:23 PM PDT


Posted by: switch 104 sv
Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: switch 104 sv
Is it just me or does anyone else get the implication that the installation monitors are Forerunners who ha their mind transferred into an AI construct? Spark says "volunteer" and expresses loneliness, presumably a emotion only felt by sentient beings. There was also that adjunct from The Flood? And the Assembly are talking alot about transferring and what not?
I didn't even realize it was disputed, it just seems so obvious to me. The way Spark talks about the Domain as if he has actually experienced it, and several other things.

But yes at some point they were definitely Forerunner.
/me talking about my opinion as if it were fact.

I wasn't suggesting it was disputed, merely wondering if I missed something important in my absence. It seems not so at least my interpretation isn't unique. Hopefully?


Just as another subtle proof to that...the Librarian's glyph in Terminal 5 (?) was deconstructed and reformed in to the monitor. Also, we see Cryptum that each Forerunner was granted an ancilla (Smart AI) in their armor...of which a greater ancilla had control over (Mendicant Bias, Monitors, Offensive Bias)...soo 343 was probably a shard of consciousness from one Forerunner being...(Librarian..maybe?)

  • 12.11.2011 2:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Contender class AI's like medicant and offensive bias are the highest class.

  • 12.11.2011 2:28 PM PDT

Right, sorry I forgot the name bro.

Posted by: grey101
Contender class AI's like medicant and offensive bias are the highest class.

  • 12.11.2011 2:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
I'm very interested in what that crashed ship was, it seems like it landed 40,000 years before humanity arrived at Installation 04 (as Spark says he's not heard anything for 60,000 years).

I have a feeling it's Precursor...Hopefully they'll touch upon it in Halo 4.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

um a precursor ship wouldn't get damaged not to mention the forerunners have seen precursor ships. They also got destroyed when halo fired.

  • 12.12.2011 5:33 AM PDT

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I'm very interested in the terminals... The one with the crashed ship especially. If Humanity, San 'Shyuum, and forerunners are all gone... Who is this new space-faring race? And have they had 40,000 years since then to further improve their tech, completely uncontested by other advanced races or even the flood. Furthermore, will we ever meet them? (Yes, Halo 4 is what I'm thinking, it's a long-shot, and unlikely, but it would be amazing).

[Edited on 12.12.2011 6:35 AM PST]

  • 12.12.2011 6:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
um a precursor ship wouldn't get damaged not to mention the forerunners have seen precursor ships. They also got destroyed when halo fired.


precisely, precursor ships were, conventially speaking, invincible. Some people on this forum just don't seem to understand that.

Whatever that species was that landed in that terminal, its scary thinking just how advanced they may have become since then. If they do have any relevance to the trilogy, (which I'm hoping they do, otherwise it would be sort of boring with just the flood) i highly doubt that the unsc even with forerunner technology incorporated into their own would stand much of a chance.

It would be quite a waste to dedicate an entire terminal to a species that has no relevance; to talk about the ships purpose, the atmospheric compostion of the ship, and the prospect that they have been catalouged on the ring before. which blows my mind even further concerning the phenomenal rate of growth of this species since the halos firing.

Even if it is just way of showing guilty sparks past. . . it would be a waste.

  • 12.12.2011 6:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: qirahs

precisely, precursor ships were, conventially speaking, invincible. Some people on this forum just don't seem to understand that.

Whatever that species was that landed in that terminal, its scary thinking just how advanced they may have become since then. If they do have any relevance to the trilogy, (which I'm hoping they do, otherwise it would be sort of boring with just the flood) i highly doubt that the unsc even with forerunner technology incorporated into their own would stand much of a chance.

It would be quite a waste to dedicate an entire terminal to a species that has no relevance; to talk about the ships purpose, the atmospheric compostion of the ship, and the prospect that they have been catalouged on the ring before. which blows my mind even further concerning the phenomenal rate of growth of this species since the halos firing.

Even if it is just way of showing guilty sparks past. . . it would be a waste.


Here's a scary thought, what if this mystery race has achieved, or even surpassed tier 1 technology?

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Posted by: Xerzaph
Here's a scary thought, what if this mystery race has achieved, or even surpassed tier 1 technology?


that is exactly what i was getting at dude, its actually really cool when you think about it. My own modest estimates place the ship in the terminal 40,000 years ago at around tier-2 from the sleek and refined design (although there is no real way to know).

If they were originally catalouged on the rings like guilty spark was implying, then that means they re-started their civilization around the same time as the san-shyuun and sangheili etc. So in just 60,000 years this species achieved space-faring status at least on par with the covenant. Whereas the other species relevant to the galaxy were still trying to get the hang of stone tools. In other words, this species' rate of technological expansion is unprecedented, putting to shame even the forerunner.

Now i'm not going to compare anything to a tier-0 species (precursor) until i find out a little more about them. But there are some users on this forum who strongly believe that the species would have achieved tier-0 by now easily. (grey101) I must admit though, it is entirely possible that they are tier-0 by now. The only problem with this theory is that if they were so advanced, surely they would have forcibly taken control over the halo-rings or shield worlds a long time ago. Or made some sort of contact with the Forerunner AI.

A counter argument to this is that perhaps they have become so advanced that they left the galaxy for whatever reasons. Who knows? Hopefully they will have a part in the new trilogy.

  • 12.13.2011 6:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
um a precursor ship wouldn't get damaged not to mention the forerunners have seen precursor ships. They also got destroyed when halo fired.

Well, if it's obviously not Forerunner or Human you can see why I came to the conclusion that it might be Precursor. Plus, there are so many different scenarios that could have happened concerning the ship crash landing.

  • 12.13.2011 3:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xerzaph
Here's a scary thought, what if this mystery race has achieved, or even surpassed tier 1 technology?


that is exactly what i was getting at dude, its actually really cool when you think about it. My own modest estimates place the ship in the terminal 40,000 years ago at around tier-2 from the sleek and refined design (although there is no real way to know).

I don't know exactly where I'd put it, it's sleek design certainly speaks of tier 2, but it also had what appeared to be a vertical stab, suggesting it may need to rely on aerodynamics while in atmosphere, which, in my opinion, puts it somewhere between Tier 2 and 3. But that's only if that's what it was. It really is impossible to tell because of how mangled the ship was.

  • 12.13.2011 5:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: qirahs

Posted by: Xerzaph
Here's a scary thought, what if this mystery race has achieved, or even surpassed tier 1 technology?


that is exactly what i was getting at dude, its actually really cool when you think about it. My own modest estimates place the ship in the terminal 40,000 years ago at around tier-2 from the sleek and refined design (although there is no real way to know).

I don't know exactly where I'd put it, it's sleek design certainly speaks of tier 2, but it also had what appeared to be a vertical stab, suggesting it may need to rely on aerodynamics while in atmosphere, which, in my opinion, puts it somewhere between Tier 2 and 3. But that's only if that's what it was. It really is impossible to tell because of how mangled the ship was.
That ship's fin actually reminds me of these ships.

  • 12.13.2011 9:12 PM PDT

Wow, the terminals were awesome and definitely made me feel for 343 Guilty Spark.

One thing I've always wondered about that these terminals brought to light is Spark's confusion at humanity's ignorance concerning the Forerunners. I wonder what kind of measures, if any, the Forerunners took to ensure that humanity would know their place in the galaxy? I seem to vaguely recall something concerning the portal near Voi, and that we would discover it when we were ready.

What measures could Spark think that they took? I'm sure we will find out more about humanity's designation as the Reclaimers in the next two Forerunner books.

  • 12.13.2011 10:11 PM PDT

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I didn't watch the Terminals,

TL;DW...

On Halo 3 It was,

TL;DR

  • 12.13.2011 11:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: pizzaguy199
I didn't watch the Terminals,

TL;DW...

On Halo 3 It was,

TL;DR


Then don't bloody post here then. -_-


Posted by: ODSTxQwikDraw24
I seem to vaguely recall something concerning the portal near Voi, and that we would discover it when we were ready.


This was also a theory I made, the possibility that the Forerunners may have been indirectly nurturing humanity. :P

[Edited on 12.14.2011 8:20 AM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 8:17 AM PDT

I'm sure we will find out the plan that Forerunners had for humanity by the end of the Forerunner trilogy. I also agree with you that the Forerunners may be indirectly nurturing humanity because it would make sense with the way the fiction has come along.

I've just always been intrigued by Spark's confusion at our ignorance, and these terminals have brought it to light even more.

  • 12.14.2011 5:46 PM PDT
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Five exclamations marks are a good signifier of an insane mind. As is trying to hide from Death in an airtight room. Silly wizard.

That ship in Terminal 5? Here is another possibility: they died out. No one is immortal, it is entirely possible that the race in question went extinct or was nearly destroyed in some great war. Perhaps there were more races around that time and they all killed each other.

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  • 12.14.2011 7:37 PM PDT

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