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Subject: Some questions I have about Cryptum and Primordium...

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

1. Inform me on this.

A long time ago, I was a living, breathing human being. I went mad. I served my enemies. They became my only friends.
Since then, I've traveled back and forth across this galaxy, and out to the spaces between galaxies--a greater reach than any human before me.
You have asked me to tell you about that time. Since you are the last true Reclaimer, I must obey. Are you recording? Good. Because my memory is failing rapidly. I doubt I'll be able to finish the story.
Once, on my birth-world, a world I knew as Erde-Tyrene, and which now is called Earth, my name was Chakas..


my name was Chakas

was

Is he speaking from the grave or something? I heard a theory that he is now an A.I of some sort.

2. The Timeless One survived the Halo array. The array destroyed all of the precursor artefacts/buildings on Charum Hakkor which are supposedly indestructable (I always thought the array didn't affect matter). So that leaves the question "What material is he/it made from?" and "Is it even sentient?". Also, "what can kill him/it?".

3. The Timeless One is a Precursor. Why does everyone say otherwise? For example "He is the Gravemind".

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Posted by: anish panchalin
1. Hi steroid. I once made a thread regarding point 1, that is, regarding chakas. I predicted that he survived the halo array somehow and went into a cryptum until he would be awoken by the "last true reclaimer", who is most likely John-117.

2. There is the possibility the TO was something manufactured by the precursors (the didact speculated this in cryptum, credits to mattman 25402, if I remembered his name correctly, for bringing this idea and thread to my attention). Something robotic and manufactured may be able to survive the firing.

Besides, the TO is part of the race of precursors, or so he stated. The precursors were confirmed to be a trans-sentient race so who knows whether or not they can survive halo firings for this reason?

3. After the halo was test fired on charum hakkor, the TO's prisoner was destroyed and the TO was freed. It is also known that the palace of pain (a location on this halo ring) was the TO's base.

Furthermore, the halo and MB disappeared for 43 years after the test-firing. We know from the Halo 3 terminals that the GM and MB spent 43 years communicating before MB was convinced to betray the forerunners. This is why the TO and GM are likely the same being or at least, the GM is an alias/mouth through which the TO speaks (see Roberto JH's GM=mouthpiece theory)

All right exept 3...My theory is that the TO let himself get infected and since he is a precursor he has a vast knowledge making him a good host for GM.
Or if the precursors made the flood then maybe he is the one controlling him ?
However i think TO is still alive and as the rest of precursors and forerunners as we will see them in halo 4.

  • 11.13.2011 8:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: anish panchalin
1. Hi steroid. I once made a thread regarding point 1, that is, regarding chakas. I predicted that he survived the halo array somehow and went into a cryptum until he would be awoken by the "last true reclaimer", who is most likely John-117.


A human going into a Cryptum?

Also, do you know where I can read the Halo 3 terminals. I have never actually read any of them.

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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Posted by: SteroidKloud
1. Inform me on this.

A long time ago, I was a living, breathing human being. I went mad. I served my enemies. They became my only friends.
Since then, I've traveled back and forth across this galaxy, and out to the spaces between galaxies--a greater reach than any human before me.
You have asked me to tell you about that time. Since you are the last true Reclaimer, I must obey. Are you recording? Good. Because my memory is failing rapidly. I doubt I'll be able to finish the story.
Once, on my birth-world, a world I knew as Erde-Tyrene, and which now is called Earth, my name was Chakas..


my name was Chakas

was

Is he speaking from the grave or something? I heard a theory that he is now an A.I of some sort.

2. The Timeless One survived the Halo array. The array destroyed all of the precursor artefacts/buildings on Charum Hakkor which are supposedly indestructable (I always thought the array didn't affect matter). So that leaves the question "What material is he/it made from?" and "Is it even sentient?". Also, "what can kill him/it?".

3. The Timeless One is a Precursor. Why does everyone say otherwise? For example "He is the Gravemind".

No flaming. GO!



The frequency Halo arrays make somehow destroy the telepathically created structures Precursors make. This will probably be explained more in Primordium.


A theory of mine suggests that the Timeless One IS the Gravemind. The Gravemind is supposedly a telepathic being, so who's to say its not really the Timeless One reaching out and using the Graveminds body as a puppet? Remember, the Precursors created the Flood after they created the Forerunners, so they very well could have made it so they can command the Flood. I could explain this further if I could find my thread.


The Timeless One is an organic and fully sentient being, able to be killed by the Halo array. Whatever Solitary was made out of, it probably shielded him from the blast. Or, his armor shielded him, as it is speculated the Precursors were advanced enough to create armor that would render themselves indestructable.

[Edited on 11.13.2011 9:15 AM PST]

  • 11.13.2011 9:12 AM PDT

yas334229812

here is a question, maybe the timeless one only survived because its prison took the brunt of the hit from the halo, and he survived as the weapon could not go through the prison and kill the TO.

  • 11.13.2011 9:30 AM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

Remember, the Precursors created the Flood after they created the Forerunners, so they very well could have made it so they can command the Flood. I could explain this further if I could find my thread.

Yes, but the Flood started out as powder. So your saying the precursors made it so they could command powder?

  • 11.13.2011 9:41 AM PDT

1: Nothing sane to say about that so far. My personaly theory is that he might have been taken over by some greater force, perhaps the Flood. But really, anything at this point is just speculation or ideas and no facts.

2: Timeless One is just as mysterious. We basically know nothing about him, other than the fact that he is supposedly sentient. How he wasn't destroyed? Well, I believe he was buried deep underground underneath some sort of protective dome and power shield. Perhaps he was of such great value he wasn't allowed to die from the Halos or was just incredibly lucky.

3: The Gravemind theory comes from the belief that TO is a Precursor and has a grudge against Forerunners. The idea is that he became infected by the Flood and because he is an "ultimate being" became the Gravemind to lead his new army against those who captured him. One gripe: there can be multiple Graveminds at one time, so even if he became one there is no telling if he is the same one we encountered during the games.
But again: just speculation and nothing more. Him being Precursor isn't even confirmed.

  • 11.13.2011 9:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: anish panchalin

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Posted by: anish panchalin
1. Hi steroid. I once made a thread regarding point 1, that is, regarding chakas. I predicted that he survived the halo array somehow and went into a cryptum until he would be awoken by the "last true reclaimer", who is most likely John-117.


A human going into a Cryptum?

Also, do you know where I can read the Halo 3 terminals. I have never actually read any of them.


1. Halo 3 terminals can be fund in-game, just look on youtube videos
2. ALternatively, you can find transcripts of them on sites like halowiki/pedia I believe, or somewhere of that sort online.

Also, who's to say a human, wearing a forerunner skin cannot go into cryptum? To me it seems like the most likely possibility because after resting from primordium - Halo 4 his memory would be lacking or about to be forgotten as chakas suggests.


EDIT: Do you mean the armour Chakas and Riser are wearing?

[Edited on 11.13.2011 10:21 AM PST]

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


Official fan of Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, (Problem with that?) Halo, and Bungie, also a total gaming junkie.

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Remember, the Precursors created the Flood after they created the Forerunners, so they very well could have made it so they can command the Flood. I could explain this further if I could find my thread.

Yes, but the Flood started out as powder. So your saying the precursors made it so they could command powder?


No, I'm saying they made it so they could command the Flood once it evolved enough to begin it's true infectious campaign against the universe. I don't think the Precursors wanted the entire universe dead, just the Forerunners. The Timeless One either got drunk with the power of the Flood or after seeing the horrifying bloodshed of the Human-Covenant war, decided that the only way to make the universe free of war and death was to infect it all, thereby eliminating the problem.


If nobody had any willpower or freedom, there would be no war. Once he realized Chief was the last true Reclaimer and could threaten his plan of perfect peace, he decided that John had to die.

  • 11.13.2011 11:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
or after seeing the horrifying bloodshed of the Human-Covenant war, decided that the only way to make the universe free of war and death was to infect it all, thereby eliminating the problem.

If nobody had any willpower or freedom, there would be no war. Once he realized Chief was the last true Reclaimer and could threaten his plan of perfect peace, he decided that John had to die.


Reminds me loosely of my devil's advocacy regarding Gravemind's plans.

  • 11.13.2011 11:32 AM PDT

Don't -blam!- with Kerser!

No, I'm saying they made it so they could command the Flood once it evolved enough to begin it's true infectious campaign against the universe.

How could they possibly do that? (I was thinking it would be similar to how the librarian does it with the humans). Remember that the Flood only turned out the way it did because it evolved from that one pet species. What if it was used as plant fertiliser instead, or in medicine to heal wounds? It would have turned out differently because other things have a different genetic make-up.

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Posted by: anish panchalin
1. Hi steroid. I once made a thread regarding point 1, that is, regarding chakas. I predicted that he survived the halo array somehow and went into a cryptum until he would be awoken by the "last true reclaimer", who is most likely John-117.


A human going into a Cryptum?

Also, do you know where I can read the Halo 3 terminals. I have never actually read any of them.


For reading the terminals and more info on them, and as a good source of basic info for getting involved in any discussion of Halo lore related to the Forerunners, I'd check out this:

http://blog.ascendantjustice.com/halo-3/the-terminals/

A very well done series of articles on the terminals. You can read them and get a great interpretation of them and how they related to the Halo lore that was available at the time these articles were written(especially relating the the Iris ARG that preceded the release of Halo 3). Bungie had actually stated in a weekly update that this interpretation of what we were given in the terminals was pretty much dead on, and the guys who created the blog ended it because they are now actually working for 343 Industries.

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  • 11.13.2011 12:25 PM PDT

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Thank you.

  • 11.13.2011 12:37 PM PDT

1) Unknown

2) The Precursor's strucures aren't normal structures. Halo is the only thing capable of damaging them. And yes, it is sentient, but what can kill it is unknown.

3) Him being the Mind doesn't mean he isn't a Precursor. A lot of people believe he becomes the Mind.

[Edited on 11.13.2011 3:06 PM PST]

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