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I got this from another site to disapoint you:

In their conversations about preserving samples of life, Didact pleads for her to "Come home," she responds that she "can't justify using the [transit measure] to save my own skin when there are so many innocents to protect and index... Every vessel we can fill, we send to the Ark" This strongly suggests that the transit measure referred to is the portal/keyship system to the Ark, and she would rather use it to save other lives than her own. This implies that Didact is on the ark, because he retorts: "If you will not come to me, I will come to you."
It is further apparent that Didact is on the Ark, and was pleading for the Librarian to join him there, evidenced when the Gravemind begins to move on the offensive. The Librarian warns Didact: "It's coming for you. I've remotely destroyed our Keyships. A security measure. Without them I cannot reach the Ark. But neither can the thing." It is clear that the ideal scenario was for her to reach the Ark, and by proxy, Didact.
The Librarian seems to understand that she will perish along with the Gravemind, but gives no indication that Didact will die. She says "You've outwitted it, my love. And now you can destroy it. But you cannot save me."
Similarly, Didact bemoans that he is forced to kill the Librarian, but makes no reference to his own death. "My inaction and foolishness kept me here ...[and] makes me your executioner".
Didact also indicates that he will go on the Great Journey (presumably, restoring the native species from the Ark back to their homeworlds and then leaving the galaxy) on his own, after the firing of the Array. Not only does this mean he would have to survive the activation of the Halos, but strongly suggests that he was on the Ark throughout the conversations with the Librarian. "I will burn this stinking menace in your name. And then? I will begin our Great Journey without you"



If the Great Journey = Death, as so bluntly put by General5_7, it makes no sense that Didact would say "I will begin our Great Journey without you", as they would both be dead.
On multiple occasions, Didact argues that the Librarian should return to him "where [his] fleets can keep [her] safe", and makes efforts to "rescue" her. Up until the last moment, Didact was still intent on rescuing her, when rampant Mendicant "destroyed [her] waiting rescue party." What would have been the point of rescuing her if all were about to die? When Didact first creates Mendicant, in the hopes that it will delay the flood long enough to rescue the Librarian, she rebukes his plan and calls it a "suicidal scheme". If they were all going to die, trying to be together in death would not be suicidal.
When it is apparent that Mendicant has turned and Gravemind is on the offensive, Didact reports that the various "fleets are all being recalled" and that "systems are evacuating". If there were going to be zero Forerunner survivors from the activation, as suggested by Kori126, there would be absolutely no point in recalling or evacuating anybody.



Mendicant Bias's actions in the end are enough to prove they survived. Why else would he make John and example to his creators? The Dead can't offer forgiveness for past sins.



These i got from dif players who dont know abou this thread or posted it before.

  • 11.18.2011 10:21 AM PDT

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: FTW 1997
I got this from another site to disapoint you:

In their conversations about preserving samples of life, Didact pleads for her to "Come home," she responds that she "can't justify using the [transit measure] to save my own skin when there are so many innocents to protect and index... Every vessel we can fill, we send to the Ark" This strongly suggests that the transit measure referred to is the portal/keyship system to the Ark, and she would rather use it to save other lives than her own. This implies that Didact is on the ark, because he retorts: "If you will not come to me, I will come to you."
It is further apparent that Didact is on the Ark, and was pleading for the Librarian to join him there, evidenced when the Gravemind begins to move on the offensive. The Librarian warns Didact: "It's coming for you. I've remotely destroyed our Keyships. A security measure. Without them I cannot reach the Ark. But neither can the thing." It is clear that the ideal scenario was for her to reach the Ark, and by proxy, Didact.
The Librarian seems to understand that she will perish along with the Gravemind, but gives no indication that Didact will die. She says "You've outwitted it, my love. And now you can destroy it. But you cannot save me."
Similarly, Didact bemoans that he is forced to kill the Librarian, but makes no reference to his own death. "My inaction and foolishness kept me here ...[and] makes me your executioner".
Didact also indicates that he will go on the Great Journey (presumably, restoring the native species from the Ark back to their homeworlds and then leaving the galaxy) on his own, after the firing of the Array. Not only does this mean he would have to survive the activation of the Halos, but strongly suggests that he was on the Ark throughout the conversations with the Librarian. "I will burn this stinking menace in your name. And then? I will begin our Great Journey without you"



If the Great Journey = Death, as so bluntly put by General5_7, it makes no sense that Didact would say "I will begin our Great Journey without you", as they would both be dead.
On multiple occasions, Didact argues that the Librarian should return to him "where [his] fleets can keep [her] safe", and makes efforts to "rescue" her. Up until the last moment, Didact was still intent on rescuing her, when rampant Mendicant "destroyed [her] waiting rescue party." What would have been the point of rescuing her if all were about to die? When Didact first creates Mendicant, in the hopes that it will delay the flood long enough to rescue the Librarian, she rebukes his plan and calls it a "suicidal scheme". If they were all going to die, trying to be together in death would not be suicidal.
When it is apparent that Mendicant has turned and Gravemind is on the offensive, Didact reports that the various "fleets are all being recalled" and that "systems are evacuating". If there were going to be zero Forerunner survivors from the activation, as suggested by Kori126, there would be absolutely no point in recalling or evacuating anybody.



Mendicant Bias's actions in the end are enough to prove they survived. Why else would he make John and example to his creators? The Dead can't offer forgiveness for past sins.



These i got from dif players who dont know abou this thread or posted it before.



So you are trying to piggyback off somebody that actually took time to think of an idea in an attempt to hurt my pride?

You really don't know me. and if i find out this is waypoint i will be sure to correct you every chance i get.

I won't even bother fully reading this i will just use my trumph card in which a quote from a wild CmDr DaeFaron appears!



Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What Evidence that he is alive?

Also, the Ark is not part of the Halo Array... therefore according to that log Grey linked... Didact was on a Halo ring. Which was stated in Legends.

So tell me, how would he survive a firing of the ring, being present on one?

edit: Also, It's clear Didact is saying his final words. Those sound like something a person would say before dying. And since he's recording, he'd still be in the control room.



So like i told Sanjeev. Do your own research and not piggyback off somebody else




  • 11.18.2011 10:30 AM PDT

FTW... he was referring to the defense line. Aka the zone the Forerunners could hold.

The Librarian was outside of that, and thus they could not protect her.

Again, when Didact recorded those lines (Which sound like somebody's final words before death, and stops soon before the firing), it's on a halo array.

The ark is not part of the halo array system.

To those going on about age... I give you this example of what you are doing (generic fantasy). You find a race, oldest member is 12 years old. This is a point of wonder among that race. Do you suddenly go "Oh, this race can live for 100 years!" Nope...

You also must have missed the shield worlds. Or, as I have heard the theory, a large number of Forerunners simply left the galaxy before the halo rings fired.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997
I got this from another site to disapoint you:

In their conversations about preserving samples of life, Didact pleads for her to "Come home," she responds that she "can't justify using the [transit measure] to save my own skin when there are so many innocents to protect and index... Every vessel we can fill, we send to the Ark" This strongly suggests that the transit measure referred to is the portal/keyship system to the Ark, and she would rather use it to save other lives than her own. This implies that Didact is on the ark, because he retorts: "If you will not come to me, I will come to you."
It is further apparent that Didact is on the Ark, and was pleading for the Librarian to join him there, evidenced when the Gravemind begins to move on the offensive. The Librarian warns Didact: "It's coming for you. I've remotely destroyed our Keyships. A security measure. Without them I cannot reach the Ark. But neither can the thing." It is clear that the ideal scenario was for her to reach the Ark, and by proxy, Didact.
The Librarian seems to understand that she will perish along with the Gravemind, but gives no indication that Didact will die. She says "You've outwitted it, my love. And now you can destroy it. But you cannot save me."
Similarly, Didact bemoans that he is forced to kill the Librarian, but makes no reference to his own death. "My inaction and foolishness kept me here ...[and] makes me your executioner".
Didact also indicates that he will go on the Great Journey (presumably, restoring the native species from the Ark back to their homeworlds and then leaving the galaxy) on his own, after the firing of the Array. Not only does this mean he would have to survive the activation of the Halos, but strongly suggests that he was on the Ark throughout the conversations with the Librarian. "I will burn this stinking menace in your name. And then? I will begin our Great Journey without you"



If the Great Journey = Death, as so bluntly put by General5_7, it makes no sense that Didact would say "I will begin our Great Journey without you", as they would both be dead.
On multiple occasions, Didact argues that the Librarian should return to him "where [his] fleets can keep [her] safe", and makes efforts to "rescue" her. Up until the last moment, Didact was still intent on rescuing her, when rampant Mendicant "destroyed [her] waiting rescue party." What would have been the point of rescuing her if all were about to die? When Didact first creates Mendicant, in the hopes that it will delay the flood long enough to rescue the Librarian, she rebukes his plan and calls it a "suicidal scheme". If they were all going to die, trying to be together in death would not be suicidal.
When it is apparent that Mendicant has turned and Gravemind is on the offensive, Didact reports that the various "fleets are all being recalled" and that "systems are evacuating". If there were going to be zero Forerunner survivors from the activation, as suggested by Kori126, there would be absolutely no point in recalling or evacuating anybody.



Mendicant Bias's actions in the end are enough to prove they survived. Why else would he make John and example to his creators? The Dead can't offer forgiveness for past sins.



These i got from dif players who dont know abou this thread or posted it before.



So you are trying to piggyback off somebody that actually took time to think of an idea in an attempt to hurt my pride?

You really don't know me. and if i find out this is waypoint i will be sure to correct you every chance i get.

I won't even bother fully reading this i will just use my trumph card in which a quote from a wild CmDr DaeFaron appears!



Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
What Evidence that he is alive?

Also, the Ark is not part of the Halo Array... therefore according to that log Grey linked... Didact was on a Halo ring. Which was stated in Legends.

So tell me, how would he survive a firing of the ring, being present on one?

edit: Also, It's clear Didact is saying his final words. Those sound like something a person would say before dying. And since he's recording, he'd still be in the control room.



So like i told Sanjeev. Do your own research and not piggyback off somebody else






No i could do my own research but i dont feel like it.
Why do i have to do my own research if others already done it the same way i would do it ?
And that backed up that didact MIGHT have survived which you so closely followed to get my head hurt (great now my head hurts)




Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
FTW... he was referring to the defense line. Aka the zone the Forerunners could hold.

The Librarian was outside of that, and thus they could not protect her.

Again, when Didact recorded those lines (Which sound like somebody's final words before death, and stops soon before the firing), it's on a halo array.

The ark is not part of the halo array system.

To those going on about age... I give you this example of what you are doing (generic fantasy). You find a race, oldest member is 12 years old. This is a point of wonder among that race. Do you suddenly go "Oh, this race can live for 100 years!" Nope...

You also must have missed the shield worlds. Or, as I have heard the theory, a large number of Forerunners simply left the galaxy before the halo rings fired.


cmdr yes those where just suggestions i found on the web.
I dont take any credit for those suggestions...
However i havent posted about the sheild worlds and the rest of forerunners leaving because its pretty obvious and i had an argument with grey (i think grey) about that.

  • 11.18.2011 10:39 AM PDT

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So, this arguing needs to stop. I didn't want to make anyone mad.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

The Didact isn't alive, we have covered this.



What was the point of him getting so sappy with his wife if he new he wasn't going to die? I don't understand how you people honestly think he would just kill his wife along with the galaxy and just live on for another 100,000 years.

  • 11.18.2011 5:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
What was the point of him getting so sappy with his wife if he new he wasn't going to die?
Because she was going to die.

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Posted by: grey101
What was the point of him getting so sappy with his wife if he new he wasn't going to die?
Because she was going to die.


Exactly.

  • 11.18.2011 7:30 PM PDT

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Grey, did you read all the Halo books 100 times over? You seem to know a little to much about the Halo universe.

  • 11.18.2011 7:42 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: Sanjeev
Posted by: grey101
There is no way Didact would be able to cope without his wife bornsteller or not that is a massive loss.


Which is the entire point being made by Guilty Spark. That is why he is such a force to be reckoned with if he does return. Nothing to hold him back, no one to keep him in check.

And wow, I'm pretty sure you're missing entire bits on how the Didact was on the Ark when he fired the rings.

Firstly, with no evidence, The Ark is the only place (which we know of) where all rings can be fired from simultaneously. One Installation alone can trigger the firing sequence of all the Halos. You have to be at The Ark, or at least thats what established fiction has told us.

Secondly, I'm not gonna go find the individual terminal excerpts. All my evidence comes from this series of articles, written in 2008, about the Terminals. My evidence is not from the narrative articles themselves but the excerpts that the author uses.

I'd advice you read them, as well as the other Terminal related articles. Of course, some of this information has since been subtly retconned in Halo: Cryptum but its still a very powerful, useful summary of the Terminal events in Halo 3.

Below are some choice excerpts that show that the Didact was indeed within the Maginot Sphere, or at least not in danger, and that he was on the Ark.

How formal of you, Librarian. We're receiving shipments of indexed beings more frequently than communications... Come back inside, where my fleets can keep you safe... Come home.

The indexed sentient beings were being sent to the Ark, that much is proven.

Mendicant Bias is trying to prevent us from firing the Array. He speeds back to the Ark. but he won't succeed. Offensive Bias will stop him, and I will burn this stinking menace in your name.

MB is speeding back to the Ark to stop the Didact from firing the rings.

Whether or not he is alive now or now, we don't know. But he did not die when the rings were fired. He did not.
Halo has a automatic firing system that will follow suit after one is fired. The halo can be fired individually, as shown in in halo 3, and they can be controlled completely by the ark. That would be the reason MB was making a run for the ark. If he could control the ark, he could win the war.

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Posted by: Sanjeev
Posted by: grey101
There is no way Didact would be able to cope without his wife bornsteller or not that is a massive loss.


Which is the entire point being made by Guilty Spark. That is why he is such a force to be reckoned with if he does return. Nothing to hold him back, no one to keep him in check.

And wow, I'm pretty sure you're missing entire bits on how the Didact was on the Ark when he fired the rings.

Firstly, with no evidence, The Ark is the only place (which we know of) where all rings can be fired from simultaneously. One Installation alone can trigger the firing sequence of all the Halos. You have to be at The Ark, or at least thats what established fiction has told us.

Secondly, I'm not gonna go find the individual terminal excerpts. All my evidence comes from this series of articles, written in 2008, about the Terminals. My evidence is not from the narrative articles themselves but the excerpts that the author uses.

I'd advice you read them, as well as the other Terminal related articles. Of course, some of this information has since been subtly retconned in Halo: Cryptum but its still a very powerful, useful summary of the Terminal events in Halo 3.

Below are some choice excerpts that show that the Didact was indeed within the Maginot Sphere, or at least not in danger, and that he was on the Ark.

How formal of you, Librarian. We're receiving shipments of indexed beings more frequently than communications... Come back inside, where my fleets can keep you safe... Come home.

The indexed sentient beings were being sent to the Ark, that much is proven.

Mendicant Bias is trying to prevent us from firing the Array. He speeds back to the Ark. but he won't succeed. Offensive Bias will stop him, and I will burn this stinking menace in your name.

MB is speeding back to the Ark to stop the Didact from firing the rings.

Whether or not he is alive now or now, we don't know. But he did not die when the rings were fired. He did not.
Halo has a automatic firing system that will follow suit after one is fired. The halo can be fired individually, as shown in in halo 3, and they can be controlled completely by the ark. That would be the reason MB was making a run for the ark. If he could control the ark, he could win the war.
I would not recommend using Halopedia. If you do, be sure to provide the sources they cited so we can examine them. Better yet though would to use a primary source.

  • 11.18.2011 9:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: Sanjeev
Posted by: grey101
There is no way Didact would be able to cope without his wife bornsteller or not that is a massive loss.


Which is the entire point being made by Guilty Spark. That is why he is such a force to be reckoned with if he does return. Nothing to hold him back, no one to keep him in check.

And wow, I'm pretty sure you're missing entire bits on how the Didact was on the Ark when he fired the rings.

Firstly, with no evidence, The Ark is the only place (which we know of) where all rings can be fired from simultaneously. One Installation alone can trigger the firing sequence of all the Halos. You have to be at The Ark, or at least thats what established fiction has told us.

Secondly, I'm not gonna go find the individual terminal excerpts. All my evidence comes from this series of articles, written in 2008, about the Terminals. My evidence is not from the narrative articles themselves but the excerpts that the author uses.

I'd advice you read them, as well as the other Terminal related articles. Of course, some of this information has since been subtly retconned in Halo: Cryptum but its still a very powerful, useful summary of the Terminal events in Halo 3.

Below are some choice excerpts that show that the Didact was indeed within the Maginot Sphere, or at least not in danger, and that he was on the Ark.

How formal of you, Librarian. We're receiving shipments of indexed beings more frequently than communications... Come back inside, where my fleets can keep you safe... Come home.

The indexed sentient beings were being sent to the Ark, that much is proven.

Mendicant Bias is trying to prevent us from firing the Array. He speeds back to the Ark. but he won't succeed. Offensive Bias will stop him, and I will burn this stinking menace in your name.

MB is speeding back to the Ark to stop the Didact from firing the rings.

Whether or not he is alive now or now, we don't know. But he did not die when the rings were fired. He did not.
Halo has a automatic firing system that will follow suit after one is fired. The halo can be fired individually, as shown in in halo 3, and they can be controlled completely by the ark. That would be the reason MB was making a run for the ark. If he could control the ark, he could win the war.


This argument isnt about this.
Grey keeps insisting that the Didact is dead and there IS NO POSSIBLE way he could have survived...what im insisting that its possible...Im not saying that it is...im just saying that its possible ....but grey keeps telling me as if i really said that he is alive.

  • 11.19.2011 12:14 AM PDT

How is it possible for Didact to live through a halo ring firing, while standing inside the control room recording his final words?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Posted by: D Deity
Grey, did you read all the Halo books 100 times over? You seem to know a little to much about the Halo universe.


None of this was in the books but ill take that indirect complement.



Posted by: FTW 1997

This argument isnt about this.
Grey keeps insisting that the Didact is dead and there IS NO POSSIBLE way he could have survived...what im insisting that its possible...Im not saying that it is...im just saying that its possible ....but grey keeps telling me as if i really said that he is alive.



Do you honestly ready anything that i say or are you just mad that i am always putting you on the spot? You and others get so caught up in my sarcastic nature that you completely disregard everything i say.
I act like that so you people can understand that attitude does not change the data. Something only about 20 people have been able to figure out.


I have clearly said several times that if i am wrong that i am wrong. But nothing we have whatsoever points to him surviving and i have yet to see you or anybody else actually write your own posting with your support. instead you guys just copy and paste other peoples work as support and just sit back on it. Or one of you post's something and the other pops in to say "Yes!".


Cmdr has said several times that the Ark isn't part of the array and that the recording is from the control room. Yet oddly both of you seem to be ignoring that and are still caught up on me.







Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
How is it possible for Didact to live through a halo ring firing, while standing inside the control room recording his final words?


I keep asking them this and they keep dodging the question and running in circles.

[Edited on 11.19.2011 3:43 AM PST]

  • 11.19.2011 3:41 AM PDT

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Is it at all possible that the scene of the Didact activating Halo could have actually been on the Ark? The beam of light shows it's on Halo, but I'm wondering if they officially stated he was on Halo to activate it. If he was there, he's dead. End of story.

  • 11.19.2011 3:50 PM PDT

I wake up to find myself
After all these years
And where all the time has gone
Still seems so unclear

I'm going to interject here.

Who is to say that the Didact isn't alive? The Shield World plan was his first plan to escape the Flood. And the Halo's have a teleportation grid... Why couldn't he just have a slipspace encased Cryptum waiting for him somewhere on the ring? The Didact clearly believed the Forerunner's(including himself at this point) deserved to be punished for disobeying the Mantle.
Who is to say he didn't "eternally" punish himself?

We don't know what happened to him, we never saw his body vaporize or him dying directly. It's all implied.

343i could easily just retcon his death and say he lived if they wished.
Point being, arguing over something like this where there is no definitive proof is irrelevant. It's like arguing Religion, you won't change anybody's mind. You're just going to make people mad. Which so far, all of you have been exceedingly good at. Good job arguing at walls.

[Edited on 11.20.2011 1:12 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2011 1:11 AM PDT

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Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

I have a feeling he's alive. His state of mind is another issue entirely.

  • 11.20.2011 1:20 AM PDT

Personally I think that Didact is dead, but I forget, where were the Halos fired from? The Ark, or were they fired from Installation 04? (which set off the other Halos)

I thought it was the Ark but I keep hearing them being activated from Installation 04.

  • 11.20.2011 1:33 AM PDT

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

This is a long shot, but in the same way that Didact originally "imprinted" himself into Bornstellar and became Bornstellar essentially, it's possible he did the same to another Forerunner who was one of the lucky ones to escape the Halo's firing.

  • 11.20.2011 6:46 AM PDT

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