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Subject: Anniversary Classic > Default Reach

Default Reach is atrocious, CEA is were it's at.

  • 11.17.2011 12:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
Being put in disadvantageous spawns is one of the main reasons why most of the desirable spots on maps are, well, desirable. Limiting your opponent's options and interdicting their map movement is one of the main incentives of attaining map control.

which comes back to the abuse of poor map design and spawns, the game shouldn't be putting players in a bad position just because they can't get kills, the players themselves should be putting them in poor positions because, well, they are bad and don't know any better.

sure they put themselves in that position by letting the other team game control of the positions on the map but they shouldn't be spawning in poor positions but instead are limited to what they can and can't do which is will be caused by the other team having map control but at the moment, poor map design allowing players to stay in certain area's of the map over looking spawns to block them along with poor spawns causes the game the put the other players in a bad position and not because they put themselves there.


It's always been a part of Halo gameplay, and should remain so. And besides, in almost every situation, it's possible to fight one's way out of a spawn trap with proper coordination with one's teammates. If the losing team lacks this coordination to counter the opposing team's coordination, again, they deserve what they get.

so, bad maps and spawns should stay?
ok...

  • 11.17.2011 12:25 PM PDT

So just about every map used in competitive Halo in every installment has been bad? Because it's possible to control spawns on just about all of 'em.

  • 11.17.2011 12:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
Being put in disadvantageous spawns is one of the main reasons why most of the desirable spots on maps are, well, desirable. Limiting your opponent's options and interdicting their map movement is one of the main incentives of attaining map control.

which comes back to the abuse of poor map design and spawns, the game shouldn't be putting players in a bad position just because they can't get kills, the players themselves should be putting them in poor positions because, well, they are bad and don't know any better.

sure they put themselves in that position by letting the other team game control of the positions on the map but they shouldn't be spawning in poor positions but instead are limited to what they can and can't do which is will be caused by the other team having map control but at the moment, poor map design allowing players to stay in certain area's of the map over looking spawns to block them along with poor spawns causes the game the put the other players in a bad position and not because they put themselves there.


It's always been a part of Halo gameplay, and should remain so. And besides, in almost every situation, it's possible to fight one's way out of a spawn trap with proper coordination with one's teammates. If the losing team lacks this coordination to counter the opposing team's coordination, again, they deserve what they get.

so, bad maps and spawns should stay?
ok...


Look at it this way. If you're playing CTF, and you kill the whole other team. Should they spawn in a safe location where they can earn the chance to make a counter-attack? No. The only safe place for them to spawn would be inside their base.

How is that fair to the team pushing for the flag? It isn't. Like Zanzibar for example. When the enemy was arming the bomb you spawned outside of you're base. In the open. The other team is in you're base. By you spawning outside its fair for them to try and do the Obj work. Its not terrible spawn locations, its fair.

The game should not accomidate you for losing you're battles.

Halo CE-3 punished you for making bad choices.
Reach doesn't.

  • 11.17.2011 12:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
So just about every map used in competitive Halo in every installment has been bad? Because it's possible to control spawns on just about all of 'em.

Yes. Rewarding the team that can coordinate and punishing the team that can't is bad.

Don't you realize the enemy team can't have fun in the respawn screen?

  • 11.17.2011 12:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
So just about every map used in competitive Halo in every installment has been bad? Because it's possible to control spawns on just about all of 'em.

as i see them yes.

  • 11.17.2011 12:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: con_extreme
Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
So just about every map used in competitive Halo in every installment has been bad? Because it's possible to control spawns on just about all of 'em.

as i see them yes.

Wow.

I guess parties in Matchmaking are overpowered too, right?

  • 11.17.2011 12:33 PM PDT

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It's people like this that gave us default Reach. Stay the hell out of MLG and Anniversary playlists. You might ruin those too.

  • 11.17.2011 12:33 PM PDT


Posted by: con_extreme

Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
So just about every map used in competitive Halo in every installment has been bad? Because it's possible to control spawns on just about all of 'em.

as i see them yes.


...well then. I believe there's nothing left to discuss if that's really how you feel about it.

  • 11.17.2011 12:33 PM PDT


Posted by: Iron Div is Pro

Look at it this way. If you're playing CTF, and you kill the whole other team. Should they spawn in a safe location where they can earn the chance to make a counter-attack? No. The only safe place for them to spawn would be inside their base.

How is that fair to the team pushing for the flag? It isn't. Like Zanzibar for example. When the enemy was arming the bomb you spawned outside of you're base. In the open. The other team is in you're base. By you spawning outside its fair for them to try and do the Obj work. Its not terrible spawn locations, its fair.

The game should not accomidate you for losing you're battles.

Halo CE-3 punished you for making bad choices.
Reach doesn't.

objective is a bit different though.

spawning away is fine, the other team have made the push and taken down your defense so they can do the objective, you now spawn away from your objective but you aren't at a big disadvantage since you can still get back and fight get your defense put back in put your time frame is limited and they team doing the objective is probably setting up a defense aswell.

it would be unfair for both parties to spawn by the objective since you can set up a defense straight away and you can be spawn killed at the same time so basically, it's a bigger disadvantage for both parties.

  • 11.17.2011 12:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: con_extreme
Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
So just about every map used in competitive Halo in every installment has been bad? Because it's possible to control spawns on just about all of 'em.

as i see them yes.

Wow.

I guess parties in Matchmaking are overpowered too, right?

that would be retarded..

  • 11.17.2011 12:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: con_extreme
Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
So just about every map used in competitive Halo in every installment has been bad? Because it's possible to control spawns on just about all of 'em.

as i see them yes.

Wow.

I guess parties in Matchmaking are overpowered too, right?

that would be retarded..

You can't get map control with randoms. Only parties can regularly get map control.

You said Map control is bad.

Only parties can carry out map control.

Therefore parties are also bad.

  • 11.17.2011 12:38 PM PDT


Posted by: iNinjaVVen
It's people like this that gave us default Reach. Stay the hell out of MLG and Anniversary playlists. You might ruin those too.

i see issues with default reach aswell, i'm not praising default but i do think it is better then previous halo's just needs a bit of fixing.

also, sure, MLG is just a dumbed down version of reach and AC isn't quite classic just yet.

  • 11.17.2011 12:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: con_extreme
i see issues with default reach aswell, i'm not praising default but i do think it is better then previous halo's just needs a bit of fixing.

also, sure, MLG is just a dumbed down version of reach and AC isn't quite classic just yet.
Okay, I call troll. Either that, or you really are the dumbest person I've seen on this website.

  • 11.17.2011 12:39 PM PDT
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Posted by: con_extreme
Posted by: iNinjaVVen
It's people like this that gave us default Reach. Stay the hell out of MLG and Anniversary playlists. You might ruin those too.

i see issues with default reach aswell, i'm not praising default but i do think it is better then previous halo's just needs a bit of fixing.

also, sure, MLG is just a dumbed down version of reach and AC isn't quite classic just yet.

Dumbed down or less random?

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Posted by: con_extreme
i see issues with default reach aswell, i'm not praising default but i do think it is better then previous halo's just needs a bit of fixing.

also, sure, MLG is just a dumbed down version of reach and AC isn't quite classic just yet.
Okay, I call troll. Either that, or you really are the dumbest person I've seen on this website.

You must not have seen Beirut post.

  • 11.17.2011 12:40 PM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: con_extreme
Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: con_extreme
Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
So just about every map used in competitive Halo in every installment has been bad? Because it's possible to control spawns on just about all of 'em.

as i see them yes.

Wow.

I guess parties in Matchmaking are overpowered too, right?

that would be retarded..

You can't get map control with randoms. Only parties can regularly get map control.

You said Map control is bad.

Only parties can carry out map control.

Therefore parties are also bad.

- randoms can get map control if they comunicate.
- parties don't always do map control, that is just a blind assumption
- anyone can find and stay at dominating positions on maps, it isn't that hard to do..

  • 11.17.2011 12:40 PM PDT


Posted by: iNinjaVVen

Posted by: con_extreme
i see issues with default reach aswell, i'm not praising default but i do think it is better then previous halo's just needs a bit of fixing.

also, sure, MLG is just a dumbed down version of reach and AC isn't quite classic just yet.
Okay, I call troll. Either that, or you really are the dumbest person I've seen on this website.

so, removing stuff from the game isn't simplifying it?

  • 11.17.2011 12:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: iNinjaVVen
Posted by: con_extreme
i see issues with default reach aswell, i'm not praising default but i do think it is better then previous halo's just needs a bit of fixing.

also, sure, MLG is just a dumbed down version of reach and AC isn't quite classic just yet.
Okay, I call troll. Either that, or you really are the dumbest person I've seen on this website.

You must not have seen Beirut post.
I'm putting him over Beirut. You see, I think Beirut knows he's retarded. This kid is genuinely trying to say MLG is dumbed down Reach and Reach is better than other Halo games.

  • 11.17.2011 12:41 PM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: con_extreme
Posted by: iNinjaVVen
It's people like this that gave us default Reach. Stay the hell out of MLG and Anniversary playlists. You might ruin those too.

i see issues with default reach aswell, i'm not praising default but i do think it is better then previous halo's just needs a bit of fixing.

also, sure, MLG is just a dumbed down version of reach and AC isn't quite classic just yet.

Dumbed down or less random?

just as random, people just seem to like linear gameplay.

  • 11.17.2011 12:41 PM PDT
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Banned just for calling someone retarded? lolBnet mods
Duardo = retard

So you think Reach is an actual Halo game, huh? LOL
Jesus! There's a BoB in ma Falcon!

Isn't it obvious? What was the point of posting this thread exactly?

  • 11.17.2011 12:42 PM PDT

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  • 11.17.2011 12:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: con_extreme
- randoms can get map control if they comunicate.
- parties don't always do map control, that is just a blind assumption
- anyone can find and stay at dominating positions on maps, it isn't that hard to do.

When was the last time you searched by yourself and magically got the rest of your team filled with players that used mics, communicated and weren't just in a party with one less than the team size?

Most real map control is performed by a party.

It's isn't hard when it's an easy to dominate map like Sword Base or Countdown.

Try getting "easy" map control with randoms on Kingdom.

  • 11.17.2011 12:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: con_extreme

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Posted by: con_extreme
Posted by: iNinjaVVen
It's people like this that gave us default Reach. Stay the hell out of MLG and Anniversary playlists. You might ruin those too.

i see issues with default reach aswell, i'm not praising default but i do think it is better then previous halo's just needs a bit of fixing.

also, sure, MLG is just a dumbed down version of reach and AC isn't quite classic just yet.

Dumbed down or less random?

just as random, people just seem to like linear gameplay.
I prefer to play real Halo. Not, 'fly over everyone's head jetpack bullsh­it camo sniping crapass default Reach'.

MLG removed everything that was wrong with Reach except bloom. And even that's coming out after Providence. By 'simplifying' this game, they've made it infinitely more complex and competitive than loldefault Reach. You wouldn't understand.

  • 11.17.2011 12:44 PM PDT