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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: SonicJohn
I'm under the belief that the Gravemind's "brain" is entirely separate from its "bodies", let's just say.

I think that the Gravemind's real form is outside the galaxy, but it builds up bodies to telepathically control and speak through. Think of it a little bit like having remote-controlled bodies.

I don't like this whole idea of different agendas. You're all talking about the Flood as if they can be seen as factions and organizations. They're not. They're all the same beings, but just spread across different installations. To the Flood, the distance they are apart from eachother doesn't matter in the slightest.



That is a good idea.


I think "Agendas" was horrible wording on my part.


It's just that Each gravemind seems to act differently based on the amount of Biomass and the lifeforms it infects.
So if there are multiple minds despite them being linked they would still be on different levels??


I don't know how to properly explain it without talking face to face but i hope you could understand what i am getting at.



Posted by: kleggnutt
Read The Vang by Christopher Rowley, which Bungie has said influenced Halo. Lot's of ideas/clues as to how the Flood may work/think.

Essential reading if you are a Halo fan.



Yes i remember a few of you old heads stating this years ago.

I took your advice and looked up as much as i could online and will do so again.



And to everybody here look up other races from other universes. I feel like me and other people are put on another level knowledge wise because we know alot of Scfi.

[Edited on 11.18.2011 7:37 AM PST]

  • 11.18.2011 7:33 AM PDT
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About the different GM's fighting each other or even consuming each other is foolish.
The flood GM's would not consume each other because they have a common goal....They have the same technology...
And if you'r saying (no one specific) that because they act different ,They are different then you'r wrong.
Different situations require different atention.
In the situation of H2 the GM had a massive outbreak and people to consume (covenant and unsc) a whole army and if he wins, then it would be a whole new army.
In Halo wars protogravemind (havent played but read about Halo wars and saw all cutscenes) I assume that 1 ship would not do a big deal and he had very limited resources.
In halo CE the proto was not even at living stage.
If he would then im sure the flood would keep coming to protect him,Not leave him alone.
Ofcourse these are just silly reasons but there are others, more acurate.

  • 11.18.2011 9:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: FTW 1997
About the different GM's fighting each other or even consuming each other is foolish.
The flood GM's would not consume each other because they have a common goal....They have the same technology...
And if you'r saying (no one specific) that because they act different ,They are different then you'r wrong.
Different situations require different atention.
In the situation of H2 the GM had a massive outbreak and people to consume (covenant and unsc) a whole army and if he wins, then it would be a whole new army.
In Halo wars protogravemind (havent played but read about Halo wars and saw all cutscenes) I assume that 1 ship would not do a big deal and he had very limited resources.
In halo CE the proto was not even at living stage.
If he would then im sure the flood would keep coming to protect him,Not leave him alone.
Ofcourse these are just silly reasons but there are others, more acurate.


How much of an idiot are you? you have yet to impress me by not raising the bar.


1.When did anybody say anything about Other minds fighting and consuming each other? We said fusion, and i hope you watched Dragonball Z to know what that means but your only 14.


2.If you read the thread we think it might be possible for them to have the same overall goal but due to being at different stages that might focus on a more specific one.
What technology do the flood have?


3.Generally things that act different are different. Which is the difference between OJ and Judge Joe Brown.

4. I clearly said in point two thats what we already addressed.

5.Halo 2 was not a "Massive outbreak" we have yet to see a Massive outbreak. Halo 2 was a leak. "He had a whole army to infect and if he wins then it would be a whole new army".

What in the world does that mean? If he infected everything there would be more flood? No Sh**.

6.You can not even speak if you haven't played the game, are you Blue ruby's older brother?

That Mind in Halowars had the entire outer shell of the planet infected yet was still a "proto form". Which returns us to the current topic and confusion.

7. What the hell is the "living stage"? what in halo CE "proved" that? Because i am sure it was alive.

8. i don't even understand what the last sentence is trying to infer.



So you offered absolutely nothing to the thread and got everything you said wrong. You are a moron and everybody that reads your post will then be dumber for reading it.

  • 11.18.2011 9:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: anish panchalin
@donvinzone1 you may call me anish instead of anish panchalin if you prefer, I don't really mind either way

OT: You raise a fair point. But iff the GM's really battled each other then how exactly would they go about doing that?

I'd hypothesise that if they fought amongst each other then they would "convert" or "reinfect" the opposing GM's flood biomass into their own.

Posted by: DonVinzone1
So what's beyond that? Probably a Gravemind that seemingly defies all rules of life


Which could describe precursors (a known trans-sentient race)?
After all, that's generally how we define trans-sentient beings, beings with the ability to defy science, the laws of nature and so on...

The "Super Gravemind" could be on the same level as precursors, in this sense, as the interstellar flood was on the same level of the forerunners.





2:unknown and dosent really matter to you.



3:I dont know who that is. And no it has the same physical form then is same.



4:????




5:Sorry had a problem of thinking out a speach for that.
But it did...The halo 05 was infected fully (underground) since the gravemind easly got cheif while he was outside quarantine zone and still took him...I dont know why the flood hasnt yet escaped the library itself but it had a chance and it wouldve won anyway.


6:Seroisly whats your problem ?




7:Living stage is when it can actively operate the flood you dumb artificial unintelegent monitor.
If the gavemind would be active it would send all the flood in the ship when MC was trying to get keys chips.



8:you dont have too.




9:No i dont watch cartoons, i stopped that at 7 years...
Just because im 14 does not mean im stupid.


Infact your so stubborn and keep your theories without listning to other people, that il have to say....this

  • 11.18.2011 9:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: FTW 1997
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Posted by: anish panchalin
@donvinzone1 you may call me anish instead of anish panchalin if you prefer, I don't really mind either way

OT: You raise a fair point. But iff the GM's really battled each other then how exactly would they go about doing that?

I'd hypothesise that if they fought amongst each other then they would "convert" or "reinfect" the opposing GM's flood biomass into their own.

Posted by: DonVinzone1
So what's beyond that? Probably a Gravemind that seemingly defies all rules of life


Which could describe precursors (a known trans-sentient race)?
After all, that's generally how we define trans-sentient beings, beings with the ability to defy science, the laws of nature and so on...

The "Super Gravemind" could be on the same level as precursors, in this sense, as the interstellar flood was on the same level of the forerunners.





2:unknown and dosent really matter to you.



3:I dont know who that is. And no it has the same physical form then is same.



4:????




5:Sorry had a problem of thinking out a speach for that.
But it did...The halo 05 was infected fully (underground) since the gravemind easly got cheif while he was outside quarantine zone and still took him...I dont know why the flood hasnt yet escaped the library itself but it had a chance and it wouldve won anyway.


6:Seroisly whats your problem ?




7:Living stage is when it can actively operate the flood you dumb artificial unintelegent monitor.
If the gavemind would be active it would send all the flood in the ship when MC was trying to get keys chips.



8:you dont have too.




9:No i dont watch cartoons, i stopped that at 7 years...
Just because im 14 does not mean im stupid.


Infact your so stubborn and keep your theories without listning to other people, that il have to say....this



1. I think the word "If" has a large importance.


2.Because you have no idea what you are talking about and can't even support yourself

3.So all Bricks are the same because they are bricks? What about size,texture,shape,weight,height,color,etc

you are clearly 14


4.Exactly.


5. Do you honestly understand what the word massive means?



6.I hate people that don't know what they are talking about, can't type correctly even half the time, and alot of other things the two of you do.


7. LMAO. were in canon was that stage ever brought up? do you know when something is living and isn't?

Explain to me why the (if i was a monitor) forerunners would create a dumb and unintelligent monitor. That is the best yet most retarded contradiction i have ever seen in my forum time.


8. Because you can't explain yourself; Go to school.


9.You do understand that cartoons don't have an age limit. Actually the fact i could tell your 14 other than your username does.

  • 11.18.2011 10:19 AM PDT
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1:Agreed but your the one who wanted evidence.

2:No because your stuborn and dont want to listen.


3:All what you just said is what i posted and is called physical form.

You are clearly less than 14.


4:Nothing to say here



5:Seriously a whole freaking ring is infected (not on the surface but from the inside) and it is the size of earth and thats not massive ?


6:We give theories (idk about ruby) But i give theories and im not as stuborn as you...I dont insist on something i dont know only try to proove that its possible.


7:Its not in cannon...Its more like logical...Something you lack of.

Also as in dumb and unintelligent moniter as in stuborn and the monitor comes from your avatars.

8:I forgot what where we talking about in #8.



9:Cartoons like dragon ballz are for kids or retarded people...id prefer to watch something more logical with a better scenario and with a name of ballz not included.
And yes i actually know because im the one named myself here.

  • 11.18.2011 10:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: FTW 1997
9:Cartoons like dragon ballz are for kids or retarded people...id prefer to watch something more logical with a better scenario and with a name of ballz not included.
And yes i actually know because im the one named myself here.


So I'm retarded because I like dragon ball z???
If you prefer other stuff to shows like dbz then that is absolutely fine but is there really a need to label the tens of thousands of dbz fans around the world, including myself, a retard, just because you don't like the show?

At the very least, have the decency to respect other people's opinions "FTW 1997"...



Ohh well im sorry... its just that i had friends that watched dbz and where just like 4 year olds and seriously acted like retards ...i didnt mean anyone specific...Just saying is that the cartoon is for children and has no sence of logic...
It would be much more better if it did include some sience content...

  • 11.18.2011 10:47 AM PDT

I don't think my idea from the previous page about the Graveminds "battles" was understood well.

I didn't mean they actually went to war internally, as in a civil war of some sorts. What I believe, as Grey and others also say, is that each Gravemind has its own focus (maybe its own "given" objectives). For instance, a Proto-Graveminds primary goal is to grow big enough to get selfconscious as a real Gravemind. Each Gravemind probably has some basic plans, like escaping the Ring they're trapped on, or devouring all sentient life in their nearby proximity.

Now, that might work for a while but all the while there is no common goal as there is no common mind behind all these different clusters of Flood.
What I meant with my original post on the matter, is not that the Graveminds would battle each other, but that at some point one might become more "advanced" than the others and using that position to its advantage. I'm sure that most developed Gravemind would then see the need for the Flood to have one single mind behind them to orchestrate the entire "operation" of consuming the Galaxy. So at that point, in my idea/theory, that most advanced Gravemind will take over the Proto-Graveminds into its own mass to become even bigger and even smarter (as it would then have all the knowledge of every "cluster" stored in one location: itself)

Again, I don't believe a Gravemind would battle its own "people" in a war, but that its merely an act of assimilation thats natural to their process: the strongest will survive...

  • 11.18.2011 12:10 PM PDT

I am alpha, i am omega.

I am the last of the primes.

A more powerful gravemind? This could be what the forerunners faced.

And who is to say there is only 1 stage after full gravemind?

Protogravemind < Gravemind < Super gravemind? < ????

  • 11.18.2011 1:58 PM PDT


Posted by: anish panchalin

Posted by: DonVinzone1
I don't think my idea from the previous page about the Graveminds "battles" was understood well.

I didn't mean they actually went to war internally, as in a civil war of some sorts. What I believe, as Grey and others also say, is that each Gravemind has its own focus (maybe its own "given" objectives). For instance, a Proto-Graveminds primary goal is to grow big enough to get selfconscious as a real Gravemind. Each Gravemind probably has some basic plans, like escaping the Ring they're trapped on, or devouring all sentient life in their nearby proximity.

Now, that might work for a while but all the while there is no common goal as there is no common mind behind all these different clusters of Flood.
What I meant with my original post on the matter, is not that the Graveminds would battle each other, but that at some point one might become more "advanced" than the others and using that position to its advantage. I'm sure that most developed Gravemind would then see the need for the Flood to have one single mind behind them to orchestrate the entire "operation" of consuming the Galaxy. So at that point, in my idea/theory, that most advanced Gravemind will take over the Proto-Graveminds into its own mass to become even bigger and even smarter (as it would then have all the knowledge of every "cluster" stored in one location: itself)

Again, I don't believe a Gravemind would battle its own "people" in a war, but that its merely an act of assimilation thats natural to their process: the strongest will survive...


Oh I see what you meant. I suppose this makes more sense than the flood literally warring with itself, especially after reading your post along with sonicjohn's.

So, you're essentially saying that the more powerful Graveminds can "take over" or assimilate the more primitive versions into their biomass but ultimately, all the GMs would still have the same goal and agendas?


Thats what I believe, yes. But that's not taking in account that a Gravemind seems to also have a personality, so while each might have the same goal (consuming all sentient life), their agendas might still differ (for instance targeting a certain species most because it has some grudge against them).

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