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Subject: Why not give all mods full ability to use all tools?

The beta is super awesome. RogueAssassin27 is now the person who got my Totodile's nickname. Hoo-hah! Relevant.inb4lock

Palpatine explains what I mean quite nicely.

Normal mods can lock threads, edit posts, and ban users, correct (please tell me if there are any more).

But master mods can do all of the above and move threads, delete threads, and perma-ban (once again, corrections and other abilities; mention them.)

What benefits come from separating the two?

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A level of trust and availability.

You want your mods to focus on particular forums and get enough experience to distinguish between good discussion and stuff that needs to be locked. You want your super mods (i.e. Forum Ninjas) to have had that experience and be able to know when/how to get discussions back on track or lock, and to offer explanations in a way that reflects the intent and philosophy of the admins.

Besides, tool availability is not the issue, it's (proper) usage of those tools that matters.

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They specifically want to keep the number of deleted and moved threads low -- to cut down on confusion, iirc. And presumably they wanted to have more accountability for permabans.

Basically by giving mods only certain tools they enforce the general gameplan for how those mods should handle things.

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The beta is super awesome. RogueAssassin27 is now the person who got my Totodile's nickname. Hoo-hah! Relevant.inb4lock

I don't think that distinguishing whether to lock a thread or not is very difficult.
Posted by: DEUCE MORELLI
A level of trust and availability.

You want your mods to focus on particular forums and get enough experience to distinguish between good discussion and stuff that needs to be locked. You want your super mods (i.e. Forum Ninjas) to have had that experience and be able to know when/how to get discussions back on track or lock, and to offer explanations in a way that reflects the intent and philosophy of the admins.

Besides, tool availability is not the issue, it's (proper) usage of those tools that matters.

  • 11.17.2011 10:28 PM PDT

Posted by: DEUCE MORELLI
You want your mods to focus on particular forums and get enough experience to distinguish between good discussion and stuff that needs to be locked.
This made me laugh because it implies that bad discussion gets locked and we all know that is not the case.

EDIT: Also probably something about an assumption that to get to master mod one has to prove they're not insane, preventing loony normal mods from deleting every thread in a forum. Also limits the number of accounts that could have actually serious consequences from being comprimised in some manner.

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Posted by: DEUCE MORELLI
You want your mods to focus on particular forums and get enough experience to distinguish between good discussion and stuff that needs to be locked.
This made me laugh because it implies that bad discussion gets locked and we all know that is not the case.


Your implication, not mine. This is a post that waxes philosophical. The reality on B.net is unarguably not even close to this, as certain threads from yesterday showed.

EDIT: Also probably something about an assumption that to get to master mod one has to prove they're not insane, preventing loony normal mods from deleting every thread in a forum. Also limits the number of accounts that could have actually serious consequences from being comprimised in some manner.

Again, you're using B.net as the standard of what moderation is instead of other forums where the standard I posted is actually in practice wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more often than not.

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Because master mods have the hands-on experience required to make a good* judgement.

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Here's an example:

It's like buying a new game you've never played before and jumping straight into Multiplayer.

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All Ninja's can move threads, bro.

What you are describing it a system. The system is in place for security reasons, but also as a support line.

If a ninja bans a member, that member can appeal the ban by going through out support system. He can appeal the message to the Ninja that banned him, and if the results aren't satisfactory, the member can then message a Master Ninja. Master Ninja's can then make the decision to edit the ban, or guide them towards Urk. Urk has the final say and there is no appeal after that.

Getting rid of this system would dampen the hope a member may have for appealing.

  • 11.18.2011 12:12 AM PDT

Key

Why not give everyone mythics from the get-go? Why not make spartain Ken the Bungie.net Overlord? Why not make the mayo of Pigsknuckle, Arkansas the president of the United States?

Because they don't have the experience that would warrant granting them those positions and the newfound tools and power that accompanies those new positions.

The same can be said for the situation in your OP.

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Actually it's DeeJ they have to appeal to now, not urk. BOOJA
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All Ninja's can move threads, bro.

What you are describing it a system. The system is in place for security reasons, but also as a support line.

If a ninja bans a member, that member can appeal the ban by going through out support system. He can appeal the message to the Ninja that banned him, and if the results aren't satisfactory, the member can then message a Master Ninja. Master Ninja's can then make the decision to edit the ban, or guide them towards Urk. Urk has the final say and there is no appeal after that.

Getting rid of this system would dampen the hope a member may have for appealing.

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In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Duardo
All Ninja's can move threads, bro.

What you are describing it a system. The system is in place for security reasons, but also as a support line.

If a ninja bans a member, that member can appeal the ban by going through out support system. He can appeal the message to the Ninja that banned him, and if the results aren't satisfactory, the member can then message a Master Ninja. Master Ninja's can then make the decision to edit the ban, or guide them towards Urk. Urk has the final say and there is no appeal after that.

Getting rid of this system would dampen the hope a member may have for appealing.


I like that system

  • 11.18.2011 3:15 AM PDT