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Subject: You know what I never understood?

Was when Kat and Carter were running and she gets shot in the head while her helmet was on and I'm sure her shields were active. So how did it kill her in one shot?

  • 11.19.2011 11:11 PM PDT

Covenant bomb EMP'd all the Spartans shields.

Kat wasn't so lucky.

  • 11.19.2011 11:25 PM PDT

Ahh, then yea Kat wasn't lucky at all. lol Also does anyone know where Jun is? lol

  • 11.19.2011 11:28 PM PDT

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Well, look what happens in multiplayer when you snipe someone in the head.

  • 11.20.2011 12:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Shad236
Well, look what happens in multiplayer when you snipe someone in the head.


With a needle rifle?

  • 11.20.2011 12:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: deadpool66
Ahh, then yea Kat wasn't lucky at all. lol Also does anyone know where Jun is? lol
Died protecting Halesy.


The most likely scenario, but if you got that from the Fall of Reach book, it's the wrong Spartan.

  • 11.20.2011 12:34 AM PDT


Posted by: XB Fighter

Posted by: Shad236
Well, look what happens in multiplayer when you snipe someone in the head.


With a needle rifle?


gameplay doesn't equal "canon".

for instance; a single plasma bolt from a plasma pistol in canon is enough to burn through a Marine and would boil away MJOLNIR armor if it weren't shielded. In gameplay you'd need a lot of shots to just get a person to die.

A Needle Rifle in canon would probably act like a sniper: 1 shot to the head would be too much for the shield to actually take.

  • 11.20.2011 4:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: XB Fighter

Posted by: Shad236
Well, look what happens in multiplayer when you snipe someone in the head.


With a needle rifle?


gameplay doesn't equal "canon".

for instance; a single plasma bolt from a plasma pistol in canon is enough to burn through a Marine and would boil away MJOLNIR armor if it weren't shielded. In gameplay you'd need a lot of shots to just get a person to die.

A Needle Rifle in canon would probably act like a sniper: 1 shot to the head would be too much for the shield to actually take.
Mostly this. Bungie should've included Easy, Normal, Heroic, Legendary, LASO, Reality as gameplay modes.

Seriously. All the unshielded marines, grunts, jackals...etc, would be dead instantly after being shot. Only shielded warriors stand a chance of surviving much of anything.

But otherwise, it was the EMP.

  • 11.20.2011 4:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

This has been debated to death on this forum. The most accepted theory is that the EMP released from the Covenant glassing killed all the Spartans shields.

We dont see in any moment the shields recharge of any of Noble Teams members, and Bungie had included rechargeable shields in their cutscenes since they were in real time. (Look at the cutscene in Visegrad Relay and at the start of POA)

And it was complete chance that Kat got shot instead of Noble Six. Either one could have died there, but Kat was the unlucky one.

[Edited on 11.20.2011 7:18 AM PST]

  • 11.20.2011 7:12 AM PDT

prozeyic

I always though that all of their shields recharged, but Kat put her helmet on after they all did so hers hadn't recharged before she got shot.

  • 11.20.2011 3:48 PM PDT

Wait, so now the excuse is that thanks to the EMP, none of the Spartans had their shields at the time?

Well, that makes no sense, once that elite killed her, everyone starts attacking that Phantom. Can't they see the tactical advantage the enemy has?

  • 11.20.2011 4:12 PM PDT

The scripted death is a contrived plot-device to spark both
false melodrama and a manipulated empathic emotional
response.

It is for the monkey in the back row of the theater to panic
and scream: "Oh, no! Who will be next?! Will they make it?!"

If the series had started with Reach, then it might have some
impact. Yet when this all started, it was made clear Reach had
been a rout, like Operation: Market Garden in 1944.

I did not care, they zapped a character I had been wanting to
shoot myself since the first mission . . . worthless annoying
b*tch . . . Honestly, they cannot regrow limbs from tissue
cultures in the 26th century? Joseph Haldeman did that in The
Forever War, published in 1974. They have to resort to cranky,
primitive prosthetic limbs?

At least it was not the hearty "F**K YOU!!!" modern warfare
delivers when your guy gets killed regardless of how well you
do.

You guys all know the designers laugh at we, the players when
they come up with this nonsense, right? "How many nerd-rage
frenzies can we get with this idea? Do you think it will be
enough to make them break the game so they have to buy
another copy?"

It is all done on purpose. I will not be convinced otherwise.

Good thing I did not pay for my copy.

[Edited on 11.20.2011 6:04 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2011 5:19 PM PDT

yas334229812

i think we went over this.
glassing brought down her shields.
etc. etc.

  • 11.20.2011 5:20 PM PDT

I think we can all agree that Kat's death was a pathetic -blam!- joke.

  • 11.20.2011 6:23 PM PDT
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  • 11.21.2011 7:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: RoundHammer117
The scripted death is a contrived plot-device to spark both
false melodrama and a manipulated empathic emotional
response.

It is for the monkey in the back row of the theater to panic
and scream: "Oh, no! Who will be next?! Will they make it?!"

If the series had started with Reach, then it might have some
impact. Yet when this all started, it was made clear Reach had
been a rout, like Operation: Market Garden in 1944.

I did not care, they zapped a character I had been wanting to
shoot myself since the first mission . . . worthless annoying
b*tch . . . Honestly, they cannot regrow limbs from tissue
cultures in the 26th century? Joseph Haldeman did that in The
Forever War, published in 1974. They have to resort to cranky,
primitive prosthetic limbs?

At least it was not the hearty "F**K YOU!!!" modern warfare
delivers when your guy gets killed regardless of how well you
do.

You guys all know the designers laugh at we, the players when
they come up with this nonsense, right? "How many nerd-rage
frenzies can we get with this idea? Do you think it will be
enough to make them break the game so they have to buy
another copy?"

It is all done on purpose. I will not be convinced otherwise.

Good thing I did not pay for my copy.


Hmmm well since everything in a.... script is.... scripted.... yeah, her death was certainly scripted I suppose.

Anyway, since the Forever War really happened, clearly the technology should have advanced since then in a completely separate fictional universe. Regardless of the logic leap in arguing that the rate of technology growth of one sci-fi universe should be the same in another, they CAN flash clone limbs(it's mentioned in Halsey's Journal to account for the number of active Spartans there are as the augmentation washouts had new limbs cloned for them behind the scenes and were eventually put in back into active service as Spartans) but it's not as fast as the name "flash clone" would have you believe. Kat had just lost her arm quite recently (in one of the trailers for the game, also the same event where the previous Noble 6 dies)and for her to keep going out on missions and not have to wait for a new arm (and however long it might be to attatch in and have it working properly, much less for it to successfully receive the same augmentations that the rest of her body and her previous arm would have had) they just stuck a prosthetic on her armor until there was time for the proper surgery.

As for your generalization of all developers acting the same way and having the same kind of disdain for their fans, well, that's a wonderful cynical view you have there, but I doubt most love dealing with the hassle of all the canon questions and complaints that come up when something is contradicted, nor do I think that if Bungie did this kind of thing because they liked to laugh at their fans would they go to all the work of making something as elaborate as Halsey's Journal, that came with the expensive editions of Reach, in order to try and rectify seeming canon discrepancies that their new game was going to create. If they were trying to make discrepancies to get a rise out of fans and laugh at their reactions this would be pretty counterproductive to that.

I'm sure it's hard not to laugh at some of the nerdier questions that come up out of a game's story by some fan. That doesn't mean they're laughing to be malicious towards the fans. I would laugh a bit at the situation too if I spent three years concepting, writing, programming, testing, etc, etc, and I went to so much work to craft an epic dramatic interactive experience to try to impress and exhilarate fans and the first response I heard from said fans was, "Why is Doctor Halsey's hair light brown here when she is clearly said to have auburn hair in an earlier text!!!!!! ARRRRGGGHH!!!!"

But ya know, your unchangeable monolithic view of the entire development community as you say, can't be changed, so I guess it's good you can find a way to justify not paying for your -blam!-.

[Edited on 11.21.2011 7:31 AM PST]

  • 11.21.2011 7:25 AM PDT


Posted by: Juan Teran
Wait, so now the excuse is that thanks to the EMP, none of the Spartans had their shields at the time?

Well, that makes no sense, once that elite killed her, everyone starts attacking that Phantom. Can't they see the tactical advantage the enemy has?


It's not an excuse, it is a solid theory.

Look at the cutscene, Jun and Carter put their helms back on, you never see their shields recharge.

The glassing beam pumping out plenty of radiation and EMP to kill the MJOLNIR shield systems. Thus, nobody had shields when they sprinted for the bunker.

  • 11.21.2011 9:05 AM PDT

Yay yuh!!!!!

jun is alive

  • 11.21.2011 12:59 PM PDT

hi


Posted by: HipiO7
This has been debated to death on this forum. The most accepted theory is that the EMP released from the Covenant glassing killed all the Spartans shields.

We dont see in any moment the shields recharge of any of Noble Teams members, and Bungie had included rechargeable shields in their cutscenes since they were in real time. (Look at the cutscene in Visegrad Relay and at the start of POA)

And it was complete chance that Kat got shot instead of Noble Six. Either one could have died there, but Kat was the unlucky one.
then why does the field marshall just sit tere instead of finishing off 6?

[Edited on 11.21.2011 1:53 PM PST]

  • 11.21.2011 1:43 PM PDT


Posted by: adaben

Posted by: HipiO7
This has been debated to death on this forum. The most accepted theory is that the EMP released from the Covenant glassing killed all the Spartans shields.

We dont see in any moment the shields recharge of any of Noble Teams members, and Bungie had included rechargeable shields in their cutscenes since they were in real time. (Look at the cutscene in Visegrad Relay and at the start of POA)

And it was complete chance that Kat got shot instead of Noble Six. Either one could have died there, but Kat was the unlucky one.
then why does the field marshall just sit tere instead of finishing off 6?


Perhaps he had been in a firefight (there had been heavy ground fighting), and his phantom was redirected to the building they detected human transmissions from. He used final shot to kill a Spartan.

  • 11.21.2011 4:04 PM PDT