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Subject: Halo:Legends Shouldn't be considered cannon

Simple explanation, armour that doesn't exist along with spartans that DIDNT exist,solomon etc (package), Hover-bikes that can destroy covenant capital ships(package again) Japanese ruins on alien planets that weren't "human" and others to!

I hated legends the only good one was origins and that even ruined what i thought the forerunners looked like and made them look like people wearing primal bird armour.

  • 11.20.2011 11:16 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

1. What armor? The prototype?
2. What says those Spartans didn't exist?
3. The Booster Frames didn't destroy the ships, it merely made a big hole that let them enter the hanger of the capital ship.
4. Those were the remnants of Ancient Humanities former interstellar empire, or at least hinted to be.

You do not know what you are talking about, check mate.

  • 11.20.2011 11:19 PM PDT

1.no the armour in the package

2.TFoR

3. A warship has a hard time penetrating the hull of a capital ship and probably can after a while not speeder bike rip offs

4. thats an assumption not fact, and it was probably homage to the fact that the animators and writers were Japanese which shouldn't be in there anyway.

  • 11.20.2011 11:23 PM PDT

"Concise and devoid of elegance...what I have come to expect from human communication"-Endless Summer

The Fall of Reach is not the cure all for your argument against official canon.Legends is canon.I didn't agree with the art direction at times,but Halo is an American made game and Japan is not America.

  • 11.20.2011 11:30 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

1. That's just artistic licensing. Even still, the armor the other Spartans wear besides Chief still look like Mk.IV from Halo Wars. Honestly, this isn't a big deal.

2. The same TFoR who's Spartan numbers have been retconed numerous times with nearly every other Halo novel?

3. The Covenant ships have to keep their shield down to open fire on the Booster Frames and have them down so the decoys with the anti-matter charges can be boarded. I imagine that would make it easier to blow open, especially with hundreds of missiles and Gauss cannons going at it. I mean, a Covenant flagship was boarded with a Pelican or Longsword, I can't remember exactly, in First Strike.

4. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. It being Forerunner isn't too farfetched still considering parts of Forerunner architecture look like Aztec ruins on Delta Halo.

  • 11.20.2011 11:31 PM PDT

1. fair enough but i also referenced to daises armour which was CQB and was to slim to be mark IV or V and maybe even VI

2. All spartans are pretty much accounted for in the two area anyway and it doesn't mention those particular spartans.

3. The boarded the flagship by using stealthy manoeuvres in first strike, anyway you cant possibly say that those speeder bikes weren't far fetched, and also why dont warships immediately destroy covenant ships when they open fire?

  • 11.20.2011 11:39 PM PDT

"Concise and devoid of elegance...what I have come to expect from human communication"-Endless Summer

Dude,the "Speeder Bikes" are just a Japanese person who wanted their animation to look cool. And hitting a small target that moves that fast? With weapons meant to hit a capital ship?Are you serious?

[Edited on 11.20.2011 11:45 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2011 11:44 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: soulEATER123666
1. fair enough but i also referenced to daises armour which was CQB and was to slim to be mark IV or V and maybe even VI

2. All spartans are pretty much accounted for in the two area anyway and it doesn't mention those particular spartans.

3. The boarded the flagship by using stealthy manoeuvres in first strike, anyway you cant possibly say that those speeder bikes weren't far fetched, and also why dont warships immediately destroy covenant ships when they open fire?


1. Daisy's armor is odd I'll admit. But that said, it's still not that big of a deal. At least it doesn't have shields, now that would be a problem. But still, it's like the Spartan energy shields in Halo Wars, merely there for gameplay. However in here, it's just for recognizability.

2. Probably because they are dead. Halsey said that the Spartans, aside from Gray Team, are all that are accounted for. Plenty of Spartans died during the war. And like I said, the numbers vary a lot. I mean, we've added Black Team, Naomi-010, Jorge-052 and so on. Heck, the number of Spartans present at Red Flag's briefing is now around 25 according to the Data Drops on Waypoint.

3. Stealthy? No way. Seraph fighters were sent out and a Pelican was loaded with explosives. Explosions aren't stealthy.



[Edited on 11.20.2011 11:49 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2011 11:49 PM PDT

I agree with the forerunner part. I hated how they looked. I preferred it when I didnt know how they looked. They aren't as ancient or mysterious as I though

  • 11.20.2011 11:58 PM PDT

United Armed Forces

Odd one out is obviously not an example of acceptable canon, Anish.

Spartan 1337? No.
Regular Humans fighting giant brute? No.

[Edited on 11.21.2011 3:44 AM PST]

  • 11.21.2011 3:42 AM PDT
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Solomon existed.

Posted by: GnadeMasta
Regular Humans fighting giant brute? No.


And why not?

  • 11.21.2011 4:07 AM PDT

Walk softly, and carry a big midget.


Posted by: soulEATER123666
1.no the armour in the package

2.TFoR

3. A warship has a hard time penetrating the hull of a capital ship and probably can after a while not speeder bike rip offs

4. thats an assumption not fact, and it was probably homage to the fact that the animators and writers were Japanese which shouldn't be in there anyway.


1. Why wouldn't the Armour in the package exist?

2. The Halo Reach Limited Edition Journal mentions one or two of the Spartans from the package.

3. They didn't destroy any of the Warships. The only thing they did destroy were the Seraph fighters and the Assault Carrier's hangar bay doors.

4. It's pretty obvious they are human. No-where in the video did they say that they were Forerunner. 343 just made Halo Legends ahead of Halo Cryptum. Everyone was arguing about the ruins being non-canon etc. but then 343 released Cryptum and everything was clear.

  • 11.21.2011 4:19 AM PDT

Halo legends is 100% canonical, except for odd one out (the clue is in the name.

Deal

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It

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Stop

Crying

  • 11.21.2011 4:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: soulEATER123666
1.no the armour in the package

2.TFoR

3. A warship has a hard time penetrating the hull of a capital ship and probably can after a while not speeder bike rip offs

4. thats an assumption not fact, and it was probably homage to the fact that the animators and writers were Japanese which shouldn't be in there anyway.


Either Halsey's Journal or one of the addendum to the new versions of the first three novels (I forget exactly where, but I think it was the journal), mentions that a lot of the "wash outs" from the augmentations that brought the Spartans number down to 30-ish, had new limbs and such flash-cloned for them and were fixed up behind the scenes to be able to be Spartans again, so there are more active Spartans than we were lead to believe in the Fall of Reach.

As for the human ruins, those were not paying homage to the fact that the animators were Japanese as the ruins were not all Japanese. At the same time as the Legends DVD came out, the new edition of the Fall of Reach came out with the new addendum shorts at the end. One of them is a letter talking about the same thing we see in the Babysitter from Legends. Human looking ruins resembling ruins from Asian, Greek, and Middle Eastern cultures on planets humans had never been to. At least as far as humans knew in the 2500's. If you read Cryptum, it's pretty obvious that these ARE in fact human ruins, just the ruins of the ancient humans who were around at the same time as the Forerunner and had populated many worlds around the Galaxy.

[Edited on 11.21.2011 6:36 AM PST]

  • 11.21.2011 6:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

^^

Which i find fascinating how some spiritual concepts carried over like buddha.

  • 11.21.2011 6:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: HipiO7
This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

Unfortunately, it has to be considered canon.

Although there are some stories that I'm am not against being canon, especially Origins.

But The Package was just a huge face palm.

  • 11.21.2011 7:25 AM PDT
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My look on it is that there is a sorting level of Canon
Games
then books and supplemental materials unless otherwise stated

  • 11.21.2011 11:25 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

All of Halo Legends, except Odd One Out, is and should be canon.

  • 11.21.2011 12:11 PM PDT


Posted by: soulEATER123666
Simple explanation, armour that doesn't exist along with spartans that DIDNT exist,solomon etc (package), Hover-bikes that can destroy covenant capital ships(package again) Japanese ruins on alien planets that weren't "human" and others to!

I hated legends the only good one was origins and that even ruined what i thought the forerunners looked like and made them look like people wearing primal bird armour.


All the armor from the multi-player has been around since the creation of Mark IV. Either as armor designs and such for marines or ODSTs that was repurposed for the Spartans and Mjolner, or armor that was specifically designed for them like Gungnir.

Oh really? So just because some of the Spartans in TFoR weren't named means they can't possibly exist? And besides which, the number of Spartans that successfully joined the active ranks has been in a state of flux pretty much since the book came out. New Spartans coming along isn't anything new and only something Halo Legends has done.

The booster frames wouldn't be able to even put a dent in the Covenant ships. All they did was overload the shields (if the ship even had them up over the hanger at the time) over the hanger bay (where the shields wouldn't be very strong anyway and could very well be let down to let their Seraphs out) and blew their way into the hanger, the armor there would not be as strong as other parts of the ship either. The only capitol ship that was destroyed in the Package was because of one of the Covenant's own bombs, not something the Spartans did to it.

If there can be "Aztec" ruins on Delta Halo in Halo 2, then why is it such a big deal that there are "Japanese" ruins (and those aren't the only ones in the episode, you can clearly see other ruins that look like Greek and Roman structures) present on the planet? And how do you know they aren't human ruins? Just because humanity doesn't remember they had an interstellar empire at one point doesn't mean that some of the ruins they find on alien worlds are automatically alien in origin.

And the Forerunners were designed to look like humans in shape before Legends even came out see. That's concept art from Halo 3's production, and looky there, that Forerunner looks an awful lot like a human does! Fancy that!

  • 11.22.2011 9:32 AM PDT

S.H.E


Posted by: soulEATER123666
Simple explanation, armour that doesn't exist along with spartans that DIDNT exist,solomon etc (package), Hover-bikes that can destroy covenant capital ships(package again) Japanese ruins on alien planets that weren't "human" and others to!

I hated legends the only good one was origins and that even ruined what i thought the forerunners looked like and made them look like people wearing primal bird armour.
Agree

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: soulEATER123666
Simple explanation, armour that doesn't exist along with spartans that DIDNT exist,solomon etc (package), Hover-bikes that can destroy covenant capital ships(package again) Japanese ruins on alien planets that weren't "human" and others to!

I hated legends the only good one was origins and that even ruined what i thought the forerunners looked like and made them look like people wearing primal bird armour.


All the armor from the multi-player has been around since the creation of Mark IV. Either as armor designs and such for marines or ODSTs that was repurposed for the Spartans and Mjolner, or armor that was specifically designed for them like Gungnir.

Oh really? So just because some of the Spartans in TFoR weren't named means they can't possibly exist? And besides which, the number of Spartans that successfully joined the active ranks has been in a state of flux pretty much since the book came out. New Spartans coming along isn't anything new and only something Halo Legends has done.

The booster frames wouldn't be able to even put a dent in the Covenant ships. All they did was overload the shields (if the ship even had them up over the hanger at the time) over the hanger bay (where the shields wouldn't be very strong anyway and could very well be let down to let their Seraphs out) and blew their way into the hanger, the armor there would not be as strong as other parts of the ship either. The only capitol ship that was destroyed in the Package was because of one of the Covenant's own bombs, not something the Spartans did to it.

If there can be "Aztec" ruins on Delta Halo in Halo 2, then why is it such a big deal that there are "Japanese" ruins (and those aren't the only ones in the episode, you can clearly see other ruins that look like Greek and Roman structures) present on the planet? And how do you know they aren't human ruins? Just because humanity doesn't remember they had an interstellar empire at one point doesn't mean that some of the ruins they find on alien worlds are automatically alien in origin.

And the Forerunners were designed to look like humans in shape before Legends even came out see. That's concept art from Halo 3's production, and looky there, that Forerunner looks an awful lot like a human does! Fancy that!
We saw nothing like that in Halo Legends. The ones in legends were alot! more close-looking to human that that.

[Edited on 11.22.2011 10:09 AM PST]

  • 11.22.2011 10:07 AM PDT

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Halo Legends is all canon except Odd One Out. Deal with it.

  • 11.22.2011 10:20 AM PDT


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Posted by: soulEATER123666
Simple explanation, armour that doesn't exist along with spartans that DIDNT exist,solomon etc (package), Hover-bikes that can destroy covenant capital ships(package again) Japanese ruins on alien planets that weren't "human" and others to!

I hated legends the only good one was origins and that even ruined what i thought the forerunners looked like and made them look like people wearing primal bird armour.
Agree

Posted by: OrderedComa

Posted by: soulEATER123666
Simple explanation, armour that doesn't exist along with spartans that DIDNT exist,solomon etc (package), Hover-bikes that can destroy covenant capital ships(package again) Japanese ruins on alien planets that weren't "human" and others to!

I hated legends the only good one was origins and that even ruined what i thought the forerunners looked like and made them look like people wearing primal bird armour.


All the armor from the multi-player has been around since the creation of Mark IV. Either as armor designs and such for marines or ODSTs that was repurposed for the Spartans and Mjolner, or armor that was specifically designed for them like Gungnir.

Oh really? So just because some of the Spartans in TFoR weren't named means they can't possibly exist? And besides which, the number of Spartans that successfully joined the active ranks has been in a state of flux pretty much since the book came out. New Spartans coming along isn't anything new and only something Halo Legends has done.

The booster frames wouldn't be able to even put a dent in the Covenant ships. All they did was overload the shields (if the ship even had them up over the hanger at the time) over the hanger bay (where the shields wouldn't be very strong anyway and could very well be let down to let their Seraphs out) and blew their way into the hanger, the armor there would not be as strong as other parts of the ship either. The only capitol ship that was destroyed in the Package was because of one of the Covenant's own bombs, not something the Spartans did to it.

If there can be "Aztec" ruins on Delta Halo in Halo 2, then why is it such a big deal that there are "Japanese" ruins (and those aren't the only ones in the episode, you can clearly see other ruins that look like Greek and Roman structures) present on the planet? And how do you know they aren't human ruins? Just because humanity doesn't remember they had an interstellar empire at one point doesn't mean that some of the ruins they find on alien worlds are automatically alien in origin.

And the Forerunners were designed to look like humans in shape before Legends even came out see. That's concept art from Halo 3's production, and looky there, that Forerunner looks an awful lot like a human does! Fancy that!
We saw nothing like that in Halo Legends. The ones in legends were alot! more close-looking to human that that.


So? My point still stands that since the Forerunners were planned to be shown they were intended to look somewhat like humans. And the Forerunner in the Halo 3 concept art looks plenty like a human to me, even if the armor is very exotic.

  • 11.23.2011 8:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I could further support coma by pulling up forerunner images from the terminals.


There is a scene with a flood infected being that looks insanely human like then afew terminals later we see the librarians shadow that also looks human.


I don't know how 343 is going to pull it off because the forerunners come in dozens of colors and can be massive.


Shadow

infected

[Edited on 11.23.2011 9:09 AM PST]

  • 11.23.2011 9:05 AM PDT