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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

*Watch Terminal 10 before reading*

As I'm sure you have seen at the end of Terminal 10 the stars are going out (around 1:49). Assuming that it is not just Artistic licensing to convey a message like "Dark times are ahead", my question is why? What is making the stars go out?

We know of only one faction who could extinguish stars and that is the Forerunners. It is possible that the Flood or Precursors could do this but it is not confirmed. If it is the Forerunners doing this that means they have reclaimed most of their military prowess a long time ago. My reasoning is that the stars are likely far away, so us viewing the stars vanishing are viewing an event thousands of years old. There is also the fact that the Didact's emblem flashes before the screen moments before the end also makes me think of the Forerunners. Couple this with Spark cautioning us about Didact makes this more likely. But if it is the Forerunners who are doing this then why are they doing it? The only foe against whom this tactic was used against was the Flood, but that means the Flood have returned to power or a suitably powerful enemy is opposing the Forerunners.

Another option is that it is the Ancient Enemy from Halo 4. If the Ancient Enemy is indeed powerful enough to pose a threat to the universe then it stands to reason that it must be on par with the Forerunners. The stars going out could mean that the enemy has begun it's first assault in another area.

A third option is that it is the Timeless One. I am listing this separately from the above because we don't know if the two are connected yet. The Timeless One is likely immensely powerful so I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he is doing this.

A fourth option connected to the above is it is whoever attacked Sanghelios is also causing this.

These options are unlikely because they need the cause to be active for a long period of time (the period of time for the light from the stars to reach 04). If we were to bring artistic licensing in again and assume the stars are going out at the same time we see them it makes some of the options more plausible.

What do you think are causing the stars to go out? Is it artistic license? Forerunners? The Timeless One? I personally think that it might be the Forerunners, but I am open to other suggestions. Props to ajw for pointing this out.

  • 11.21.2011 5:42 PM PDT

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The sun is coming up, it's hard to look at stars during the day.

  • 11.21.2011 5:46 PM PDT

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I thought the light from the stars was being overcome by the massive flash at the end.

  • 11.21.2011 5:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.

To both of you: the stars were going out before the explosion. It is not because of the light. They disappear in groups, not gradually like at night. The light level does not change until they are almost all gone.

  • 11.21.2011 5:52 PM PDT
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Based on context and the fact that Halo is heavily influenced by The Vang: Starhammer by Christopher Rowley, we must assume that the stars are going out because of Didact. He and his company of Prometheans must have a technology similar to the Starhammer which causes suns/stars to Supernovae.

It is extremely possible that Didcat will be appearing in the next Halo Trilogy and he may be attacking by causing stars to Supernovae. This is all speculation of course but time will tell.

Edit: Punctuational Error.

[Edited on 11.21.2011 6:00 PM PST]

  • 11.21.2011 6:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: Terren_117
Based on context and the fact that Halo is heavily influenced by The Vang: Starhammer by Christopher Rowley, we must assume that the stars are going out because of Didact. He and his company of Prometheans must have a technology similar to the Starhammer which causes suns/stars to Supernovae.

It is extremely possible that Didcat will be appearing in the next Halo Trilogy and he may be attacking by causing stars to Supernovae. This is all speculation of course but time will tell.

Edit: Punctuational Error.

I am unfamiliar with that series. Would you care to elaborate on that for me? I am leaning heaviest towards it being the Didact/Forerunners.

  • 11.21.2011 6:03 PM PDT

Why are you here?

The sun is coming out.

Sorry but your little paragraphs aren't really worth it.

  • 11.21.2011 6:07 PM PDT


Posted by: Terren_117
Based on context and the fact that Halo is heavily influenced by The Vang: Starhammer by Christopher Rowley, we must assume that the stars are going out because of Didact. He and his company of Prometheans must have a technology similar to the Starhammer which causes suns/stars to Supernovae.

It is extremely possible that Didcat will be appearing in the next Halo Trilogy and he may be attacking by causing stars to Supernovae. This is all speculation of course but time will tell.

Edit: Punctuational Error.


I like the part where you pull things out of your ass.

  • 11.21.2011 6:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Terren_117
Based on context and the fact that Halo is heavily influenced by The Vang: Starhammer by Christopher Rowley, we must assume that the stars are going out because of Didact. He and his company of Prometheans must have a technology similar to the Starhammer which causes suns/stars to Supernovae.

It is extremely possible that Didcat will be appearing in the next Halo Trilogy and he may be attacking by causing stars to Supernovae. This is all speculation of course but time will tell.

Edit: Punctuational Error.

I am unfamiliar with that series. Would you care to elaborate on that for me? I am leaning heaviest towards it being the Didact/Forerunners.


Basically it is a three part trilogy that has The Vang (near replica of The Flood), Humans, and a third dead race of aquatic creatures that built the Starhammer(Halo) that caused suns to explode(Supernovae). It has many correlations with the plot of Halo and one person (Frankie O'Connor?) stated that Halo was influenced by the trilogy. If you search The Vang- Christopher Roweley, you should be able to find a better summary.

And to the guy who is above me, how can you and everyone else be so daft as to believe that it is the sun coming out? For one thing, it appears that the sun is exploding, and two, if it is the sun coming out, why have the skybox fade out in such a terrible way? Trust me, the stars are going out, and Didact probably has something to do with it.

Edit: To the guy immediately above me. Really? Please do not be ignorant. Let me find a link so you can be embarrassed.

Edit2: Lazy Linked Proof

[Edited on 11.21.2011 6:18 PM PST]

  • 11.21.2011 6:13 PM PDT

I wake up to find myself
After all these years
And where all the time has gone
Still seems so unclear

The Trih Xeem anyone?

This was a concept and plot point in Marathon 2, if I recall correctly. The Jjaro had a machine that supernova'd stars. (The Forerunner also used a similar machine for contamination protocol when a Flood ship landed in-system. They supernova'd the star to wipe it clean so the Flood wouldn't gain any more conscripts or ships.)

I think they did that to illustrate that if the Didact returned, he'd tear apart the stars in his anger if he saw the sacrifice his wife and his whole species made was in vain. I don't think I'd blame him either.

  • 11.22.2011 3:18 AM PDT


Posted by: Ageless Durandal
The Trih Xeem anyone?

This was a concept and plot point in Marathon 2, if I recall correctly. The Jjaro had a machine that supernova'd stars. (The Forerunner also used a similar machine for contamination protocol when a Flood ship landed in-system. They supernova'd the star to wipe it clean so the Flood wouldn't gain any more conscripts or ships.)

I think they did that to illustrate that if the Didact returned, he'd tear apart the stars in his anger if he saw the sacrifice his wife and his whole species made was in vain. I don't think I'd blame him either.


And also in Infinity, as it released the Wrk. But Halo belongs to 343 now, Marathon references are being removed.

  • 11.22.2011 3:22 AM PDT

Why would the Didact be destroying stars, though? I agree it likely has something to do with him, but why? As I've said countless times, he has no reason to be a villain, unless he's doing it for ultimately benevolent purposes. Trying to root out the Ancient Evil perhaps.

  • 11.22.2011 4:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Why would the Didact be destroying stars, though? I agree it likely has something to do with him, but why? As I've said countless times, he has no reason to be a villain, unless he's doing it for ultimately benevolent purposes. Trying to root out the Ancient Evil perhaps.

If he is doing it for benevolent reasons then what could be so horrible about the Ancient Evil that requires them to destroy so many stars?

  • 11.22.2011 4:51 AM PDT

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I think you're on something, Mach.

There is only faction that are capable to destroying entire stars is Forerunners. It is possible that Forerunners have restored their empire to former power in 100,000 years ago in other galaxy and arrived at Milky Way Galaxy to start destroying various stars in extreme distance. Maybe it's rooting out Ancient Evil or warning us?

  • 11.22.2011 3:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: Elder Bias
I think you're on something, Mach.

There is only faction that are capable to destroying entire stars is Forerunners. It is possible that Forerunners have restored their empire to former power in 100,000 years ago in other galaxy and arrived at Milky Way Galaxy to start destroying various stars in extreme distance. Maybe it's rooting out Ancient Evil or warning us?

If they were trying to warn us why don't they just send a ship or communication to Earth? I find it an interesting idea that you think the Ancient Evil might be on the outskirts of the galaxy, could it be starting outside and moving inwards, towards the core of the galaxy?

  • 11.22.2011 3:43 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

While this is mainly an idea I've had for a fanfic, perhaps the Timeless One took a portion of his forces outside the galaxy and after the Array fired, the Didact and his remaining Forerunner forces went after them and for the longest time have kept the Flood at bay so every species could recover. Don't bother asking for evidence, it's just a way out there idea.

[Edited on 11.22.2011 3:46 PM PST]

  • 11.22.2011 3:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
While this is mainly an idea I've had for a fanfic, perhaps the Timeless One took a portion of his forces outside the galaxy and after the Array fired, the Didact and his remaining Forerunner forces went after them and for the longest time have kept the Flood at bay so every species could recover. Don't bother asking for evidence, it's just a way out there idea.


There is a problem: Didact is dead.

  • 11.22.2011 4:07 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Elder Bias

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
While this is mainly an idea I've had for a fanfic, perhaps the Timeless One took a portion of his forces outside the galaxy and after the Array fired, the Didact and his remaining Forerunner forces went after them and for the longest time have kept the Flood at bay so every species could recover. Don't bother asking for evidence, it's just a way out there idea.


There is a problem: Didact is dead.


I don't know. I'm sort of under the impression he's alive. I may be wrong, but maybe he decided to perform a brevet(?) mutation on his protege or something and thus continue his work?

  • 11.22.2011 4:12 PM PDT

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He lives in the form of Bornsteller. Mainly took over his body is what i got. But maybe bornstellar/Didact mutualism will be looked at more closely in Halo 4 and will be an important factor in the game.

  • 11.22.2011 4:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: risay_117
He lives in the form of Bornsteller. Mainly took over his body is what i got. But maybe bornstellar/Didact mutualism will be looked at more closely in Halo 4 and will be an important factor in the game.

Some pieces of canon implied that Bornstellar!Didact died when he fired the array. Perhaps this will be expanded upon in Primordium and the other Forerunner book.

  • 11.22.2011 5:12 PM PDT

he has to have died, nothing survives the Pulse from the weapon. however this is another plot hole to be honest, because for Halo to be a viable weapon the Pulse would have to propagate very very quickly, not be a slow 'wave' like what we see in Halo 3. if that were the case it would be the worse weapon of mass destruction ever conceived, could simple avoid the Pulses if that was their true speed.

Halo by definition must be a faster than light weapon, or else the distances involved mean it takes tens, hundreds of thousands of years for the weapon to have its true intended effect, which is impossible due to the time constraints. that is how Halo 3 messed up the Halo story in a way, the Chief and the Arbiter could not have survived the activation of 04-B because their ship would have been overwhelmed by the Pulse in fractions of a second, killing both of them instantly.

if Bornstellar survived it just means Halo is turning into another stereotypical story where everything and everyone is protected by 'plot-armour', which doesn't make for good 'hard' science fiction which is direction Bear is taking the narrative. so as far as I am concerned Bornstellar has to be dead, therefore the Didact is still very much dead.

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Posted by: goldhawk
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Or Bornstellar!Didact could have just sat outside of the Haloes range along with lots of other Forerunners. It is implied he died, no one ever said the Didact is dead. The last Terminal implies that the Didact may even still be alive.

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
he has to have died, nothing survives the Pulse from the weapon. however this is another plot hole to be honest, because for Halo to be a viable weapon the Pulse would have to propagate very very quickly, not be a slow 'wave' like what we see in Halo 3. if that were the case it would be the worse weapon of mass destruction ever conceived, could simple avoid the Pulses if that was their true speed.

Halo by definition must be a faster than light weapon, or else the distances involved mean it takes tens, hundreds of thousands of years for the weapon to have its true intended effect, which is impossible due to the time constraints. that is how Halo 3 messed up the Halo story in a way, the Chief and the Arbiter could not have survived the activation of 04-B because their ship would have been overwhelmed by the Pulse in fractions of a second, killing both of them instantly.

You interpreted it wrong. The Halos 'charge up' before firing. Remember Halo 2 when Installation 05 was charging up before it was deactivated?

When they fire, they fire faster than the speed of light.

If you're talking about the actual charge of the blast, each Halo has an effective firing range of 25,000 lightyears - or if the others follow, the whole galaxy. How far do you think you could get before it fires?

if Bornstellar survived it just means Halo is turning into another stereotypical story where everything and everyone is protected by 'plot-armour', which doesn't make for good 'hard' science fiction which is direction Bear is taking the narrative. so as far as I am concerned Bornstellar has to be dead, therefore the Didact is still very much dead.

The Didact is very much dead. Armour or no armour, the oldest Forerunner mentioned was only a few thousand years old (I think). I find it unlikely that even if the Didact activated the rings from the Ark and survived the pulse, he'd be able to survive for another 100,000 years.

  • 11.23.2011 10:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Or he could have locked himself in a Cryptum for 100 000 years. Cryptums may be able to survive Halo pulse or else Didact wouldn't have had to ask Bornstellar if they fired them.

  • 11.23.2011 12:41 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

There's no definitive evidence saying that the Didact is dead. There are many suggestions that he's alive and it would be pretty retarded for the Terminals to constantly hint that the Didact has long plans and would be pissed with humanity if it would turn out that he's dead.

In the opening of Cryptum, it sounds as if the Didact is recounting the history of the Forerunners to someone, similarly Primordium does this too with Chakas - both are written in the present tense, and since he is recounting the history of his life and the Forerunners it must be either before he activates the Halos or after.

I don't understand why suddenly the argument has changed about the Didact's fate following the Terminals in CEA? Going back to what i said earlier, I think it'd be a bit silly from a narrative point of view for Spark to be speaking hypothetically about the Didact when the final Terminal ends pretty ominously with the stars going out and the Didact's emblem appearing, it clearly wasn't just thrown in there for the shiggles...

  • 11.23.2011 2:09 PM PDT

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