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Subject: Installation '04 losing contact with other Rings

In the fourth terminal, Spark states that he can no longer contact the other Moniters.

What do you think this is leaning towards? Possibly, it might hint at something happening in the Reclaimer trilogy.

Unless I missed something in the Terminal's video, and it's already explained.

[Edited on 11.22.2011 10:49 AM PST]

  • 11.22.2011 10:49 AM PDT

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Well, they can't use the Domain to communicate, so they have to use sub, or was it super, luminal means to communicate and even he said it was painfully slow.

I don't think it has anything to do with the Reclaimer trilogy, but it could be for a variety of reasons. They could all be becoming like Spark and growing lax in following protocol. 2401 Penitent Tangent grew lax and he did not react to the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo fast enough.

  • 11.22.2011 10:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Well, they can't use the Domain to communicate, so they have to use sub, or was it super, luminal means to communicate and even he said it was painfully slow.

I don't think it has anything to do with the Reclaimer trilogy, but it could be for a variety of reasons. They could all be becoming like Spark and growing lax in following protocol. 2401 Penitent Tangent grew lax and he did not react to the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo fast enough.


I wouldn't be surprised if Spark was the one that stayed true to protocol after so many years, when all the other monitors suffered the loneliness and 'rampancy' that he was starting to far earlier.

  • 11.22.2011 11:26 AM PDT

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Yeah, blame it all on 2401... lol

Yeah, I think the Domain is the Forerunners' equivalent to an interstellar Internet. If we had no internet, we'd be left with postal communication, and some land-line phone communication. Painfully slow in today's standards.

  • 11.22.2011 11:29 AM PDT

sorry but that makes no sense, Super Luminal communication is faster than light communication. that isn't exactly slow? also the 'Domain', whatever it may be is obviously bound by the same rules as the rest of the Halo Universe, so it seems extremely retarded that the Forerunner don't possess some advanced much much much faster than light communications other than the Domain.

I think if anything, being unable to contact the other installations suggests either A) the monitors of those respective installations are gone for whatever reason, B) the installations themselves are somehow unable to receive the transmissions (maybe occupied by hostile forces?) or C) something or someone is preventing communications between the installations. though A is more likely the one, since Spark was suffering terrible in his self imposed exile, nobody has considered Spark might be the equivelent of a strong human, eventually we all go nuts and get cabin fever, though it depends on person to how long that takes...

  • 11.22.2011 5:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
sorry but that makes no sense, Super Luminal communication is faster than light communication. that isn't exactly slow? also the 'Domain', whatever it may be is obviously bound by the same rules as the rest of the Halo Universe, so it seems extremely retarded that the Forerunner don't possess some advanced much much much faster than light communications other than the Domain.


It's honestly not that fast in terms of space travel. Ever wonder what FTL stood for? Faster than light travel. While the Forerunners were masters at all things FTL, the Halo rings were scattered throughout the Milky Way galaxy.

  • 11.22.2011 5:25 PM PDT

hold on a second, what on Earth? faster than light means just that, faster than 186,000 miles/second. it could be a billion times faster than light, its still faster than light, could only be fractions faster than light, same applies. there is never a specific speed stated, so it could be whatever ranging from 0.0001% faster than light, to a trillion times faster than light.

also the Domain will still be limited by whatever communication technologies the Forerunner possess, it isn't some magical ether thing or else that goes against the whole grain of the Halo foundation, which is very much against 'magical' things.

also its flawed to assume that there would be any notable delay in communications because of distance, Installation 00 was far beyond the rim of the Galaxy yet as far as it was shown travel their through the portal (slipspace portal, same technology used in their faster than light propulsion) took no time at all.

also a final nail in that coffin is the fact the arrays all communicated in real-time with Installation 00, or else the whole concept of 'remote firing' them all from 00 would be rendered worthless, same thing applies for the 'real-time' status of all the active installations on the Ark, which showed all installations except 04 were all 'pinging' active.

so either they have some truly worthless carrier pigeon style communication which makes zero sense for such an advanced race or there was another problem with communications. it has to be one of those two or there is a truly epic proportioned plot hole right smack bang in the middle of the Halo story.

  • 11.22.2011 5:34 PM PDT

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1. Don't argue with me, that is just what FTL means and every faction uses an FTL drive for Slipspace travel.

2. The Domain was disrupted by Mendicant Bias. If so, I believe it has something to do with Slipspace. We still don't know exactly what it was, but it appears to be a "cloud" storage of very nearly all of the Forerunner's knowledge.

3. You assume that just because the Forerunners were very advanced that nothing could ever go wrong with them. The Flood proved that wrong. Forerunner systems can break down, look at 2401 Penitent Tangent, he lapsed in protocol and unleashed the Flood on Delta Halo.

  • 11.22.2011 5:40 PM PDT

wait a second, I know what Faster than Light means, been a science fiction fan and an advocate of science from a very young age, with an interest in the theoretical side of physics.

that doesn't change the fact that the argument contradicts itself, the Domain I will agree is a 'Cloud' type storage of Forerunner cultural, scientific and all sorts of history and knowledge. think of it like this, how does the Internet work? it works in the same was as our other communication technologies, its electronic/light based, it doesn't work faster or slower than any other piece of communication equipment we use. one doesn't contact someone on a radio for there to be a twenty minute delay, only to find out the Internet is instantaneous, its all based on the same fundamental technological premise, electromagnetic radiation.

the Domain absolutely cannot exist without an a near instantaneous method of transferring information from point A to point B, that transfer method will be (as it fundamentally has to be!) based on whatever communication technologies the species in question uses, therefore how can there be a problem with peer to peer communication between arrays since they must (if the Domain exists and isn't 'magic') possess technologies required to do so with little to no delay?

the last point, never assumed the Forerunner were infallible, quite the opposite, it was their arrogance that let to their eventual downfall, that is a catastrophic character flaw. but, and its a big one, their technology is very very successful and mind-bogglingly reliable at a base level, the only weak links are the Forerunner themselves and their constructs. Installation 04 had been in existence for 100+ thousand years by the events of Halo: Combat Evolved, it was in absolutely perfect condition prior to the arrival of the Covenant and the Humans, which suggests their technology is very long lived.

and finally don't say to someone 'don't argue with me...' because that is immediately attempting to take some form of high ground, and also is a 'dominating' stance. was merely pointing out the fundamental flaws with an argument based on the existence of an all knowing, all seeing Domain but carrier pigeon style peer to peer communication, its preposterous.

  • 11.22.2011 5:50 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Didn't intend for the don't argue comment to be like that, I meant it to be a sheepish "hey man, don't look at me" comment. Make sense?

However, we do know the Domain was affected by the Slipspace disturbances in Cryptum and that was simply because large objects, ie the Halos, were being transported through Slipspace very often. If the Domain exists in a cloud in Slipspace, there's the reason nobody can access it.

[Edited on 11.22.2011 6:05 PM PST]

  • 11.22.2011 6:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
wait a second, I know what Faster than Light means, been a science fiction fan and an advocate of science from a very young age, with an interest in the theoretical side of physics.

that doesn't change the fact that the argument contradicts itself, the Domain I will agree is a 'Cloud' type storage of Forerunner cultural, scientific and all sorts of history and knowledge. think of it like this, how does the Internet work? it works in the same was as our other communication technologies, its electronic/light based, it doesn't work faster or slower than any other piece of communication equipment we use. one doesn't contact someone on a radio for there to be a twenty minute delay, only to find out the Internet is instantaneous, its all based on the same fundamental technological premise, electromagnetic radiation.

the Domain absolutely cannot exist without an a near instantaneous method of transferring information from point A to point B, that transfer method will be (as it fundamentally has to be!) based on whatever communication technologies the species in question uses, therefore how can there be a problem with peer to peer communication between arrays since they must (if the Domain exists and isn't 'magic') possess technologies required to do so with little to no delay?

the last point, never assumed the Forerunner were infallible, quite the opposite, it was their arrogance that let to their eventual downfall, that is a catastrophic character flaw. but, and its a big one, their technology is very very successful and mind-bogglingly reliable at a base level, the only weak links are the Forerunner themselves and their constructs. Installation 04 had been in existence for 100+ thousand years by the events of Halo: Combat Evolved, it was in absolutely perfect condition prior to the arrival of the Covenant and the Humans, which suggests their technology is very long lived.

and finally don't say to someone 'don't argue with me...' because that is immediately attempting to take some form of high ground, and also is a 'dominating' stance. was merely pointing out the fundamental flaws with an argument based on the existence of an all knowing, all seeing Domain but carrier pigeon style peer to peer communication, its preposterous.


I agree, maybe Forerunners use the same technology of the Portals (Wormholes?). I mean, maybe is not necessary "jump" to a point of the galaxy to another one. Maybe the Domain stay stable into a slipspace-location. The rest, Floods are not capable to open the portals without a key-ship and is not probable the portal can open a door for the Domain.
Maybe the Domain have a "special slipspace entrance" like stargate theory, is necessary give a series of coordinates for reach a target in the space. For the Domain maybe is necessary use a series of coordinates more complex.

  • 11.23.2011 4:14 AM PDT