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Subject: Titles are Too Ambiguous and Prominent: Alternatives to Title System
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Posted by: r c takedown
Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

Posted by: dazarobbo
IMO, scrap titles and put the trust rating toward something functional, like privileges. People are more likely to behave if they fear losing useful, shiny things like that.
You should list off some example privleges. All I can think of is a religious/political discussion forum.

Feel a bit stupid for posting this after you already did exactly that.

[Edited on 11.23.2011 10:05 AM PST]

  • 11.23.2011 8:23 AM PDT
Subject: Titles are Too Ambiguous and Prominent

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On my site, we're about to start experimenting with an on-site profile marketplace of sorts, where you spend your points (received through posts, thread-making, medals from our Flash games, etc) on things like avatars, preset custom titles, postbox-themes, website CSS themes, unlockable content in the Flash games, amongst other things.

It's basically lke cR in Reach, but on a website. I think it'll make our members feel a lot more invested in the site, shaping it to be their own experience. It can be done in a way that doesn't go to the scary lengths that Coup can go to, and that's down to the very simple fact that we can choose what goes up there to be purchased with their points.

It'll be some time before we get that up and running though, since CAVX has decided to go all srs and get married and have a job and stuff.

But, Bungie should totally invest in something like that. If that were to replace the current setup, it'd be fantastic.
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Posted by: dazarobbo
IMO, scrap titles and put the trust rating toward something functional, like privileges. People are more likely to behave if they fear losing useful, shiny things like that.
You should list off some example privleges. All I can think of is a religious/political discussion forum.

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I think the only purpose of the titles is to break up the monotonous color scheme of the site.

  • 11.23.2011 8:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: r c takedown
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Posted by: SonicJohnThat's great and all but I think it would be pretty tough getting something like that to work on this site. I mean, you could make exclusive avatars, group themes and settings but then, essentially, that's just depriving content from average members just to make it special enough for an award.

I think the trust system would only work if the privileges were things that actually require a certain amount of trust (such as being able to post images or discuss politics) instead of exclusive title bars or avatars.

Also, I thought you were there one getting all serious and married.

  • 11.23.2011 8:49 AM PDT

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While I like SonicJohn's idea, I think the idea of spending points would take away from the trust system too much. If a feature like this were to be implemented, I think unlocks would need to be set in stone and not unlocked through points. In addition, users should start with a base-rating of 0 where they can still report and use basic functionality, but once they got in the negatives, features started disappearing. This would give a lot more credibility to warnings.

  • 11.23.2011 8:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: Yax
Posted by: SonicJohnThat's great and all but I think it would be pretty tough getting something like that to work on this site. I mean, you could make exclusive avatars, group themes and settings but then, essentially, that's just depriving content from average members just to make it special enough for an award.
It wouldn't be tough at all. They could integrate it with the vast extensive stats they have up here for Crimson/Aerospace games, H3 and Reach (the latter two, only if they really wanted to) and certainly for their upcoming IP. They could tie it completely into more of a investment basis rather than a trust-basis. I'm fine with showing off how trustworthy someone is on the site, but honestly, I don't think it should be the headlining factor in someone's public profile.

As for deprivation, lol. It could easily be combined with your trust rating, encouraging even further what you're able to unlock as you spend more time in the site.

I envision it as unlocking tiers of trust and then being given the ability to purchase (or really, just select from) a list of exclusive-to-that-level items of whatever range Bungie sees fit.

I think the trust system would only work if the privileges were things that actually require a certain amount of trust (such as being able to post images or discuss politics) instead of exclusive title bars or avatars.I don't see the point in allowing that level of content. You were just talking about depriving users of content and making them feel left out. What's the point in limiting something like that? Either have it or don't bother. I don't think that sort of thing is a big deal.

Also, I thought you were there one getting all serious and married.I am getting all serious and married (moving to Seattle, no less), but he's the one who can't hold down all these things and continue to work with us :(

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Are you serious?

Bungie.net is so bland by itself. Why would you want the little colors people actually have to disappear?

A lot of people say Coup is too colorful, and I simply can't understand it. To me, Bungie.net is far too bland.

  • 11.23.2011 9:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: r c takedown
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Posted by: SonicJohn
It wouldn't be tough at all.
I don't mean tough to write the code for it, I mean tough to get it to really work in this community. I just don't see Bnet as that type of site. It's good for your site but, here, I think it would just seem gimmicky.

Of course that's just my personal opinion.

I don't see the point in allowing that level of content. You were just talking about depriving users of content and making them feel left out. What's the point in limiting something like that? I'm getting a little confused here so I'll just re-word my point:

You don't need to be mature, or trusted, to receive exclusive avatars or titles. But you do need it for extra abilities, such as bonus forums or whatever.

So that's why I don't thing purely-aesthetics bonuses like the former should be used as rewards (see: gimmicky).

Either have it or don't bother. I don't think that sort of thing is a big deal.But we won't have these things unless there is a system like that in place. There's no way Achronos would just open the floodgates and let anybody have abilities like that.

So it's: Either don't have it or give it to a select few.

I am getting all serious and married (moving to Seattle, no less), but he's the one who can't hold down all these things and continue to work with us :(You guys should have like a double-wedding, or marry each other or something. That'll be cool.

  • 11.23.2011 9:19 AM PDT

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Are you serious?

Bungie.net is so bland by itself. Why would you want the little colors people actually have to disappear?

A lot of people say Coup is too colorful, and I simply can't understand it. To me, Bungie.net is far too bland.
I am serious, though I can see that much of the community doesn't agree with me. Read up on the current discussion to see what the current ideas are.

@SonicJohn, I don't disagree with your system, but I'm wondering what effect you think this would have on spam and the like. Wouldn't members simply 'boost' to gain content? Should 'rep' be incorporated to try and prevent this?

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Posted by: sharpace77
@SonicJohn, I don't disagree with your system, but I'm wondering what effect you think this would have on spam and the like. Wouldn't members simply 'boost' to gain content? Should 'rep' be incorporated to try and prevent this?
Oh noes. You boosted to get an avatar.

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Nah. It makes the site too bland and depressing.


And confusing.

I don't see why people don't like the titles as they are.

  • 11.23.2011 9:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: sharpace77
@SonicJohn, I don't disagree with your system, but I'm wondering what effect you think this would have on spam and the like. Wouldn't members simply 'boost' to gain content? Should 'rep' be incorporated to try and prevent this?
Oh noes. You boosted to get an avatar.
There is no point in any reward system that lacks integrity.

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I like Sonic John's "armory" idea. We had that over at blackwaterops.net but it got scrapped for one or another reason (security hole?) and people have asked for its' return ever since.

  • 11.23.2011 9:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: sharpace77
Daza's idea would go nicely with this, though I'm not sure what functionality you'd like to add. Suggestions?
Make things "unlockable", so-to-speak. For example, once you earn x amount of trust, you can use a certain avatar.

Others:

- Ability to create a group
- Ability to create a thread
- Ability to create a thread with a poll
- Ability to post images within a thread
- Ability to report
etc...

It's difficult to think of examples when we have no idea what the next version of Bungie.net will look like or include, but you can probably see what I'm getting at.

  • 11.23.2011 9:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: sharpace77
Daza's idea would go nicely with this, though I'm not sure what functionality you'd like to add. Suggestions?[/quote]Make things "unlockable", so-to-speak. For example, once you earn x amount of trust, you can use a certain avatar.

Others:

- Ability to create a group
- Ability to create a thread
- Ability to create a thread with a poll
- Ability to post images within a thread
- Ability to report
etc...

It's difficult to think of examples when we have no idea what the next version of Bungie.net will look like or include, but you can probably see what I'm getting at.

This is a terrible Idea.

  • 11.23.2011 10:20 AM PDT

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If and only if when you unlock something you hear this.
Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: sharpace77
Daza's idea would go nicely with this, though I'm not sure what functionality you'd like to add. Suggestions?
Make things "unlockable", so-to-speak. For example, once you earn x amount of trust, you can use a certain avatar.

Others:

- Ability to create a group
- Ability to create a thread
- Ability to create a thread with a poll
- Ability to post images within a thread
- Ability to report
etc...

It's difficult to think of examples when we have no idea what the next version of Bungie.net will look like or include, but you can probably see what I'm getting at.
I prefer this.

  • 11.23.2011 10:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: EAGLES5
More titles and more pre-fixes are what we need.

THIS! If there were more diversity among the titles, half the people wouldn't complain about them.

Also making it so only older members can post will destroy the forums. New fans would never stick around the site, because they can't make topics. This is a fan site, and depriving users of basic forum privileges won't accomplish anything. The only thing that would work was allowing members to earn certain avatars or themes. However, I can see some users ranting about it.

  • 11.23.2011 10:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: r c takedown
Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

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Posted by: EAGLES5
More titles and more pre-fixes are what we need.
THIS! If there were more diversity among the titles, half the people wouldn't complain about them.
There is already a buttload of diversity amongst the titles, you just think we need more because you've gotten used to (and likely bored of) the current ones.

A year or two down the track you'd probably start thinking we'd need more again.

  • 11.23.2011 10:39 AM PDT
Subject: Titles are Too Ambiguous and Prominent: Alternatives to Title System

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We;re actually discussing the exact thing Daza suggested in this thread over in Mythic Members at the moment; nothing really new here.

While the word "restrictions" sounds a bit harsh and unfavorable, I feel it would do a lot toward adding value to one's account here. Since they were implemented, forum titles haven't served a purpose for the general users; the "hat" example I've seen some people use before.

I feel that the posting restrictions suggested would not only curb unfavorable behavior some, but add value to the longevity of one's account.

I could go on about this, but I'm not going to present anything that hasn't already been said, so I'll leave it at that.

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Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

It's funny now that I think about, Skibur is probably the one that's actually given the titles a use beyond aesthetics by making the Mythics group.

Although, having never been there myself, I can't really judge if it's a worthy "prize", so to speak. (The Legendary equivalent definitely is not, but that's just a cheap imitation.)

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It's funny now that I think about, Skibur is probably the one that's actually given the titles a use beyond aesthetics by making the Mythics group.

Although, having never been there myself, I can't really judge if it's a worthy "prize", so to speak. (The Legendary equivalent definitely is not, but that's just a cheap imitation.)
I really hope you're not referring to the Mythic Members group, because I'd hate to be the one to burst your bubble on that one.

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Posted by: r c takedown
Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

I didn't say it was an important use.

  • 11.23.2011 10:45 AM PDT
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I guess I would have all the perks then. Nothing much would change for me unless you need to be a mythic for some sort of perk.

  • 11.23.2011 10:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: EAGLES5
More titles and more pre-fixes are what we need.
THIS! If there were more diversity among the titles, half the people wouldn't complain about them.
There is already a buttload of diversity amongst the titles, you just think we need more because you've gotten used to (and likely bored of) the current ones.

A year or two down the track you'd probably start thinking we'd need more again.

Once you get Fabled or Intrepid you can't earn a prefix outside of Exalted, which takes 3 years to obtain. Then you have the Heroic, Legendary, and Mythic titles that are only earned based off account age and moderation history. Instead of Fabled and Intrepid there should be at least 5 prefixes for post count. The title system has been the same for a few years now, and it really needs to see additions or improvements. Otherwise, its just another outdated feature on the website.

  • 11.23.2011 10:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
On my site, we're about to start experimenting with an on-site profile marketplace of sorts, where you spend your points (received through posts, thread-making, medals from our Flash games, etc) on things like avatars, preset custom titles, postbox-themes, website CSS themes, unlockable content in the Flash games, amongst other things.

I'm working with a site right now for over a year that uses that system. In addition on Halo I'm also an avid Starcraft II player and over on their armory forum, you earn "resources" as you post and contribute to discussion.

You unlock new things by earning enough resources, and it does encourage making valuable posts rather than just spamming the forum with nonsense. If that were to be started on Bungie's new IP and project that would be the better way to go. I think people would try to sharpen up their posts and invest more time into one account, rather than wasting their time with making tons of alts and posting nonsense that I always see in the Halo forums.

In those Starcraft II forums I was mentioning before, it always helps. There are other things like custom titles that are given out to regular community members - no moderating powers given - just to show a sign of something that they might have done with the community. This is also on Waypoints website with giving users a medal for being the "member of the week". It's just something that people have to work for that would give them incentive to make valuable posts and makes the community better as a whole.

  • 11.23.2011 10:55 AM PDT