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Subject: Titles are Too Ambiguous and Prominent

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: sharpace77
Daza's idea would go nicely with this, though I'm not sure what functionality you'd like to add. Suggestions?
Make things "unlockable", so-to-speak. For example, once you earn x amount of trust, you can use a certain avatar.

Others:

- Ability to create a group
- Ability to create a thread
- Ability to create a thread with a poll
- Ability to post images within a thread
- Ability to report
etc...

It's difficult to think of examples when we have no idea what the next version of Bungie.net will look like or include, but you can probably see what I'm getting at.

This is actually a pretty damned good idea

  • 11.23.2011 1:25 PM PDT
Subject: Titles are Too Ambiguous and Prominent: Alternatives to Title System

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: Yax
Posted by: dazarobbo
IMO, scrap titles and put the trust rating toward something functional, like privileges. People are more likely to behave if they fear losing useful, shiny things like that.
You should list off some example privleges. All I can think of is a religious/political discussion forum.
I realize this is a page old (which in internet terms is days old) but I just thought it was important to reply to.

If there is to be some sort of rewards system, I wouldn't make the rewards contingent on user activity. What I mean by that is that if we were to have a rewards system which unlocked a special forum for political/religious discussion, then the presumed "reward" would be access to that particular forum's topics. But in that sense the reward system is then contingent on user input; if no one is posting topics users can relate to or feel a need/want to participate in there (i.e. topics that can be construed as a reward to view} then the value of the reward diminishes. Many private groups that cater to topics such as these inevitably die out and without a really active and dedicated user base this rewards forum could certainly die out as well. If the value of the reward diminishes then the whole point of the reward (keeping users invested in a single account and following the rules) is nullified.

I just think if we distribute rewards the value of the rewards shouldn't be contingent on user input (not in the sense of how much the users value the rewards but more in the sense that users shouldn't have to contribute towards making them valuable)

  • 11.23.2011 2:16 PM PDT
Subject: Titles are Too Ambiguous and Prominent

Meh, don't fix what ain't broke.

  • 11.23.2011 2:45 PM PDT
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dazarobbos idea is actually pretty good, I'd like to see how the community would react to that.

  • 11.23.2011 6:43 PM PDT

poor ilitch

Regarding the "ability to..." concept Daz put forth, the reqs for that would need to be pretty minimal. Essentially, excluding spam accounts but still including nearly the whole population.

Seems like to tough of a line to draw.

Anyways, I like the way titles are. They mean absolutely nothing (save administrator/staff titles), which is how they should be.

  • 11.23.2011 6:47 PM PDT
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i think a "trust bar" would be nice...

but i also think the report button should be updated IMO because the mods can be "slow" to reacting to problems after people repetitively report someone, i think an auto temporary ban (and then a mod later can look and see if this user has broken any rules) after X number of "trust worthy" users report a post, should be added in also... (and yes i know i could just PM a mod, but they have lives so they will not be here 24/7)

  • 11.23.2011 7:38 PM PDT

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I like the idea of permissions.

  • 11.23.2011 7:54 PM PDT

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No, keep it the same, elitism will set in and turn this place into an absolute hell-hole.

  • 11.23.2011 8:10 PM PDT

Posted by: II Pr0diG IIAbsolutely.

For example, regular posting shouldn't be restricted (unless blacklisted), but could probably be limited. For instance, a condition that a maximum of x number of posts per day can be made until y trust is reached, where y is a low trust rating such that it would not take long to reach, but is high enough so that an account 'just created' cannot go on a post rampage.

  • 11.23.2011 9:24 PM PDT
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Yax is a shining beacon in these dark times. You should all strive to be more like Yax.

Posted by: Noshotskill
Posted by: Yax
A year or two down the track you'd probably start thinking we'd need more again.
The title system has been the same for a few years now, and it really needs to see additions or improvements. Otherwise, its just another outdated feature on the website.
Pretty much says it all. You think it's stale and want new ones, just like I said.

Now I'm not exactly opposed to a revamp of the prefixes or titles or whatever, I just don't think adding more whenever it gets boring is a good solution.

Posted by: Seven
dazarobbos idea is actually pretty good, I'd like to see how the community would react to that.
He usually does have some decent ideas but they never seem to get enough attention (especially from the webteam) which is even worse considering he's a mod.

  • 11.23.2011 9:58 PM PDT
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Kind of adding into the idea of a trust bar, reporting posts result in a ban/lock of a thread should increase trust.

  • 11.23.2011 9:58 PM PDT

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Titles should remain the same, although I like the idea of adding privileges associated with the titles.

  • 11.23.2011 10:04 PM PDT
Subject: Titles are Too Ambiguous and Prominent: Alternatives to Title System
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Posted by: Learn
Kind of adding into the idea of a trust bar, reporting posts result in a ban/lock of a thread should increase trust.


Hell no. Everyone would try to cop the forums instead of actually participating in them.

There shouldn't be a "trust bar" either. The forum titles aren't ranks. Bungie.net should not turn into a game where everyone tries to get the highest forum rank.

I like the idea of giving more access to the members that have more trust, possibly even up to posting pictures on the forums, but that would have to be reserved for the ninjas & very highly trusted now-mythic members (not sure what they might be called after the update). Things like making threads and poll threads can't be things you have to earn. Remember that this website is also used by people that have a few questions to ask and never come back. If they want to poke in, make an account, ask a question and leave, they should be able to without having to stick around and increase their trust.

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I also think it would be cool if private groups could have their own settings for posting pictures, the profanity filter, and other things.

[Edited on 11.23.2011 10:35 PM PST]

  • 11.23.2011 10:33 PM PDT
Subject: Titles are Too Ambiguous and Prominent

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OP is a member, no wonder he cares so much about removing the titles.

Here's your solution: download coup and never worry about them ever again.

  • 11.23.2011 11:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
OP is a member, no wonder he cares so much about removing the titles.

Here's your solution: download coup and never worry about them ever again.
You're kidding right? I've been here since '07 and was Mythic until a week ago when I decided that it worth the risk to make fun of the stupid 'let's make a community project' thread.

And guess what? Wanna know a secret? No really, come a little closer.

Titles make no difference whatsoever. What?! Heresy you say? Probably, but it's people like you that prove that very truth.


On topic, I'm having trouble understanding why people are arguing for topics to remain the same. People keep saying "Don't fix what ain't broke," but I thought I laid out some pretty major issues in the OP. Do you just not agree, or is it that you just don't want to see change?

  • 11.24.2011 12:35 AM PDT

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I've always thought privileges were a better idea. I love rewards. :)

  • 11.24.2011 10:00 AM PDT
Subject: Titles are Too Ambiguous and Prominent: Alternatives to Title System

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Make things "unlockable", so-to-speak. For example, once you earn x amount of trust, you can use a certain avatar.

Others:

- Ability to create a group
- Ability to create a thread
- Ability to create a thread with a poll
- Ability to post images within a thread
- Ability to report
etc...

It's difficult to think of examples when we have no idea what the next version of Bungie.net will look like or include, but you can probably see what I'm getting at.

I quite like that idea. It would give members a far greater incentive to positively contribute, and to avoid bans. I do, however, disagree with needing to "unlock" the ability to create threads (as Ryno3 mentioned earlier). Members should be able to join, ask a question and leave, without being forced to contribute to other discussions.

Members could be limited to creating threads in certain forums, such as only being able to create threads in the Game Forums and the Community Forum, until they have enough trust (although the trust required should still remain quite low). While members may simply want to ask a question about a game, or the community, before leaving, I can see little reason for a member to visit The Flood purely to create threads, without any intention of contributing to other discussions.

I'm not saying I'm necessarily in favor of making the creations of threads "unlockable" in any forums (as, although it may reduce spam/trolling/pointless topics, it still seems slightly unfair, and there could be instances where a new member may wish to quickly ask a legitimate question) but, if they were to be "unlockable," I would certainly not make that the case in all forums.

[Edited on 11.24.2011 11:24 AM PST]

  • 11.24.2011 11:22 AM PDT

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Feedback!
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Foman: I see absolutely no reason, either theoretical or practical, that this is not a superb idea. Excellent work, my friend.

Posted by: Spartan TKIA
I'm not saying I'm necessarily in favor of making the creations of threads "unlockable" in any forums (as, although it may reduce spam/trolling/pointless topics, it still seems slightly unfair, and there could be instances where a new member may wish to quickly ask a legitimate question) but, if they were to be "unlockable," I would certainly not make that the case in all forums.
I do like the idea of making group creation unlockable though...

  • 11.24.2011 8:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Spartan TKIAPerhaps limiting the amount of threads that can be created within a certain time frame until a certain amount of trust is earned? That's not likely just to affect those who visit to ask a question then leave.

  • 11.24.2011 10:25 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
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I like Daz's idea, I wouldn't mind something like a reward system being implemented. I think you should be under a PPD limit until your trust rating gets high enough to let you post more. Same thing for thread creation. This would certainly help fix the "abused" problem.

But would you gain rewards in private groups? I mean could you just start a boosting group and just spam the group with posts all day to boost your trust rating? I think the group leader should be able to transfer any rewards he has gotten to the member roles and keep reward earning out of groups if this system goes through. Such as if the administrator of the group can post pictures then he can make it so the moderators of the group can also post pictures.

  • 11.24.2011 11:48 PM PDT
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  • 11.25.2011 1:12 AM PDT

poor ilitch

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: II Pr0diG IIAbsolutely.

For example, regular posting shouldn't be restricted (unless blacklisted), but could probably be limited. For instance, a condition that a maximum of x number of posts per day can be made until y trust is reached, where y is a low trust rating such that it would not take long to reach, but is high enough so that an account 'just created' cannot go on a post rampage.


I would say around fifty to seventy-five posts of good merit to earn that trust level would be enough. Somewhere between a limit of ten to fifteen posts a day seems about right. Of course this could all be scaled to factor. Posting only ten times a day (legitimately) on the Flood is a very easy thing to do without even thinking about it.

  • 11.25.2011 3:27 AM PDT

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I think its hard to see whether this is worth it. True we need investment, maybe with their new game they could implement it. Though overall, its hard to see what it does, privileges only force people to post and be more active in the community just for privileges, while those who are actually kind of calm and do not post alot unless needed to will be shunned, although they check up periodically and are just doing it for the right reasons.

  • 11.25.2011 12:59 PM PDT

To add to dazza's ideas, another privilege could be that reports from higher ranking members are given priority, because, in theory, they have a greater knowledge and understanding of the rules, CoC, etc.

  • 11.25.2011 1:35 PM PDT