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Subject: Observations From a Logical Paradox
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Yeah, I know it says I'm pretty new here... but I'm not. I mean, I'm no old timer, but I've been here long enough to be able to make several observations and suggestions about the site.

I know dmg04 sort of has one of these on the front page, and I might say some of the same things he's saying, but hell... might as well make a thread. I haven't yet.

So, starting with the most simple and easy to explain:

A. Moderatificationing

Even if it's private and within the confines of HFCS, there really should be some sort of "code" as it were that at least outlines SOME of the situations that constitutes a ban within the boundaries of the rules (or, rather, OUT of the boundaries, as it were).

This would clear up so much of the whining and complaining about the inconsistencies of the mods, as well as help to legitimately organize and legitimize the (currently) very subjective system we have in place right now.

Okay, I lied. This one's the easiest to explain. 4 or 5 new moderators. At least 2 or 3 of which should in timezones either not currently occupied by moderators, or not popularly occupied by moderators. Just trying to get a little more action in the moderation department. That's all.

B. Technical Ish

-The ability to edit the "options" of a poll. This would make that option go down to 0 votes, and mark in the OP that the poll itself had been edited.

-Ability to lock your own threads. Lots of times people come on to the forums and just ask a question. I have no problem with this. I do have a problem with 50 people all answering "It's no longer available" to a "how do I get blue flames?!" thread. Once the OP has their answer, or feels the purpose of a thread has been fulfilled, they should be allowed to lock it themselves. Not unlock it after that, just lock it.

And, if you really, truly believe that thread still had discussion value and you want to continue it, then that person will probably be dealt with for abusing their right to lock their thread and you can create your own thread about that topic.

-A link in the "Bungie is no longer Halo's daddy" to Halo's new, somewhat abusive step dad (but it's okay, because he buys Halo super hip Dad gifts when he's away on business trips that are actually him cheating on Halo's mom with this chick in Springfield, Illinois; her name is Joanne). I mean, it only makes sense at this point. It's where all the legitimate Halo discussion SHOULD take place, despite what a terrible alternative they are to the Halo forums.

-Make it so that when I get a long post that gives birth to a scroll bar over there----> (that is, while I'm typing this it's over there---->), that while I'm making this post, I highlight my post and drag all the way left and down (so as to try to get the whole post in one fell swoop) that my screen doesn't have a fit and all move (jarringly) out of the frame of my browser and off to the left. On chrome, that is. If someone needs clarification (specifically, hopefully, someone on the web team), I'll respond later. But, for now... onward: to behavior!

C. Community... You've been naughty.

To be honest, this section is going to be a Declaration of Grievances about the Community. Feel free to skip it if you've already had your fill of -blam!-ing for the week.

-Let's get real for a second here, we really need to stop Mod-bait threads. They're getting really ridiculous, and just not even funny in a "Haha, this is clearly meant for mods but is cleverly disguised as something else" kind of way. They're just annoying in a "Wow... really? You're wondering the altitude at which moderators extend their pinky while drinking a beverage... huh?" kind of way.

-Not everyone is a sycophant. Anyone who's ever PM'd me about this (which is quite a few people) on my other account knows that I can't stand when I'm called an ass-kisser and/or "sack-rider" simply because I agree with an employee or ninja.

And there are some people who are like that. This much is true. However, not everyone who doesn't immediately disagree with an employee on precedent and the principle of the matter is a raving sycophant. 99% of the time, if you call someone an ass-kisser because of one post you read on the forums... chances are you look ignorant and silly. Also, you're jumping to astonishes conclusions about someone you probably don't know. Which is rude, to be completely honest.

Whelp, I think that's it for right now. Just a list of observations and suggestions for the forums and their community at large.

I'll probably end up amending my OP and adding some more stuff, thought. So, you know, if you want... you could check back in to see if I've added any more every now and then. Or not. Whatever.

[Edited on 11.25.2011 10:30 PM PST]

  • 11.25.2011 10:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

As far as locking your own thread, it's been shot down many a times over the years. It gives the OP too much power and gives them power over something that they don't own.

-Not everyone is a sycophant. Anyone who's ever PM'd me about this (which is quite a few people) on my other account knows that I can't stand when I'm called an ass-kisser and/or "sack-rider" simply because I agree with an employee or ninja.
Spartain Ken?

  • 11.25.2011 10:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Xplode441
-Not everyone is a sycophant. Anyone who's ever PM'd me about this (which is quite a few people) on my other account knows that I can't stand when I'm called an ass-kisser and/or "sack-rider" simply because I agree with an employee or ninja.
Spartain Ken?
No, siree-bob. I've called Ken out in some of his most recent posts, actually. That'd be a hell of a mental situation if I was him.

  • 11.25.2011 10:34 PM PDT

A logical paradox? That sounds like a paradox to me.

  • 11.25.2011 10:46 PM PDT

Posted by: Phenomenon IV
A logical paradox? That sounds like a paradox to me.

His name is DefiniteInfinity. See what he did there?

  • 11.25.2011 10:54 PM PDT

Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: Phenomenon IV
A logical paradox? That sounds like a paradox to me.

His name is DefiniteInfinity. See what he did there?

Ah, I see I see.

  • 11.25.2011 10:55 PM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
-legato on remedial chaos theory

I certainly would support certain points raised in part A of the OP. The rules have become much more varied by moderator interpretation as the wording has become more and more simplified and/or ambiguous.

A Code of Conduct and established rule list should really be as objective as possible to ensure a pleasant and balanced Bungie.net experience.

  • 11.25.2011 11:13 PM PDT

yas334229812

Problem duck is that the new members do not read them, fo me it was after one year, that i started reading, mainly cause i did not get a warning till iposted something offtopulic.

Its not moticeable as people are not interested in it.

Which is why i support these basic rules, as it allows the ninjas to see the problem and act on it appropriately.

If someone is new or it is an honest mistake then there is needof leniancy.
By phone

  • 11.25.2011 11:20 PM PDT

When I grow up I want to be bitter and spiteful.

"i liked the reality where everything was on fire better"
-legato on remedial chaos theory

Posted by: risay_117
Problem duck is that the new members do not read them, fo me it was after one year, that i started reading, mainly cause i did not get a warning till iposted something offtopulic.

Its not moticeable as people are not interested in it.

Which is why i support these basic rules, as it allows the ninjas to see the problem and act on it appropriately.

If someone is new or it is an honest mistake then there is needof leniancy.
By phone
Such exceptions can be included objectively. Subjectivity is a double-edged sword, where the losses are much more noticeable than the gains.

  • 11.25.2011 11:29 PM PDT
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New thread. Old discussions. Bad ideas.

  • 11.25.2011 11:51 PM PDT

Posted by: DefiniteInfinity
Posted by: Xplode441
-Not everyone is a sycophant. Anyone who's ever PM'd me about this (which is quite a few people) on my other account knows that I can't stand when I'm called an ass-kisser and/or "sack-rider" simply because I agree with an employee or ninja.
Spartain Ken?
No, siree-bob. I've called Ken out in some of his most recent posts, actually. That'd be a hell of a mental situation if I was him.
I wonder what goes on in his mind sometimes...

  • 11.26.2011 12:12 AM PDT
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Positive vibes.

How much time did you spend making this thread?

  • 11.26.2011 11:30 AM PDT

@spawn031

"So much of what we do is ephemeral and quickly forgotten, even by ourselves, so it's gratifying to have something you have done linger in people's memories." John Williams

Sure, I'll bite.

Posted by: DefiniteInfinity
Even if it's private and within the confines of HFCS, there really should be some sort of "code" as it were that at least outlines SOME of the situations that constitutes a ban within the boundaries of the rules (or, rather, OUT of the boundaries, as it were).

Sure there are. They're located here. If a user needs further clarification about such boundaries they can also find them here on HFCS itself.

Problem is, people aren't exactly inclined to read the rules when they first join Bungie.net and that is purely their own problem. Moderators are here to help the guidance of them as well as older community members. But these boundaries are posted on the site, they aren't just made up.

-The ability to edit the "options" of a poll. This would make that option go down to 0 votes, and mark in the OP that the poll itself had been edited.
For what point exactly? I've never heard of a poll that changes after a certain point in time. People need to know the options before they vote. If they options change anytime in the future, then doesn't that make the poll irrelevant? After all, Achronos even posted that polls are nothing to be taken seriously on this website especially in the game forums.

-Ability to lock your own threads.
This has been discussed many times. The end conclusion of this is simply people would abuse it. Plain and simple. People can make random topics (for the lulz) and lock their own thread and have it off the front page before a ninja has time to see what content that was actually posted. Again, it seems like a good idea but when you give everyday users too much control, it's easily abused.


-Make it so that when I get a long post that gives birth to a scroll bar over there----> (that is, while I'm typing this it's over there---->), that while I'm making this post, I highlight my post and drag all the way left and down.
There's a script for that. :)

-Let's get real for a second here, we really need to stop Mod-bait threads.
I've never heard of such a thing. Mods are going to post in any threads regardless of what type of thread it is. Granted that the intended audience of an OP is the Mods/Employees, well yes they are going to post more in those but that should be expected of everyone right?

Not everyone is a sycophant. Anyone who's ever PM'd me about this (which is quite a few people) on my other account knows that I can't stand when I'm called an ass-kisser and/or "sack-rider" simply because I agree with an employee or ninja.
People think what they want. It's the internet. Don't let anything get personal too you. Just because you agree with an employee/ninja doesn't make you an "ass-kisser".

  • 11.26.2011 11:50 AM PDT