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Subject: A book about NOBLE team

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Derp, I guess that's why a book would be nice to have so that isn't the case.


We do not need a book to start developing undeveloped characters who do not need to be developed or even seen again.

Or you know, as his origin story. Just because there will inevitably be killing doesn't mean it has to be all that. What else influences Six? But hey, I guess we'll never get the chance because apparently nobody should get a chance.

We've been through the origin story of Spartans in TFOR and GoO, about a hundred pages in total is spent telling us what happened to bring the children to where they are now. WE DO NOT NEED ANOTHER BOOK GOING ON ABOUT THE SAME THING WE'VE BEEN TOLD FOR TEN YEARS.

What influences a Spartan is orders, they are not trained to have their emotions take over their judgement, this is a message that is drilled into them for years and years, the exceptions are Jorge and Kurt.

True, but that doesn't mean the book has to be all that.

The book would be nothing else. There's nothing more to a Spartan than being told where to go to kill things.

Depends if he has a squad or not. We simply don't know because, guess what, we have no information, but you'd be fine with that.

Why would he have a squad if he's a "LONE WOLF"? I am fine with it, I don't want an unnecessary abysmal novel about an abysmal character.

You mean like very other book with Chief?

Completely different. John has a small part in TFOR and First Strike is about connecting the end of CE to the start of 2.

Meanwhile you shoot down any idea and call people fanboys.

I don't know what has put you in such a butthurt state today, stop crying because you're just being stupid.

  • 11.26.2011 4:16 PM PDT

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Maybe do a short story or comic about their origins. I can't stand loose ends like that.

  • 11.26.2011 4:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
I don't know what has put you in such a butthurt state today, stop crying because you're just being stupid.


Your attitude really annoys me, calling me stupid because I like the idea and will embrace Noble Team getting a book? But I apologize, how dare I like and defend the idea. While I'm at it, I'll just say sorry for liking Reach.

[Edited on 11.26.2011 4:22 PM PST]

  • 11.26.2011 4:22 PM PDT

If Reach had been a book, I wouldn't have read it. The lack of Joe Staten showed; the writing in the game was absolutely abominable, with not a single good character in the entire thing and a plot that was only a means to take you around all these pretty set-pieces.

Whoever wrote the script did an awful job with the characterisation and story. It's an okay campaign but easily the worst in the Halo series.

Noble team isn't interesting at all and I would not like to read a book on them. Especially Six, he was the worst of the lot with virtually nothing interesting about him at all aside from some pre-release bull-blam!- backstory. Master Chief without the books may not be the deepest, but his voice is amazing and he epitomises the silent badass archetype.

Six is like a cheap clone of that.

  • 11.26.2011 4:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
I don't know what has put you in such a butthurt state today, stop crying because you're just being stupid.


Your attitude really annoys me, calling me stupid because I like the idea and will embrace Noble Team getting a book? But I apologize, how dare I like and defend the idea. While I'm at it, I'll just say sorry for liking Reach.


Haha, I recall that it was YOU who started this argument, you brought this on yourself. Get over yourself, if you got offended by being called stupid on the internet then I truly pity you.

Your reasoning was stupid, your reaction was stupid, therefore you are being stupid. You're basically asking for a book about a boring character nobody cares about filled with action just to fill in a gap in the story which doesn't need to be filled, if you want to fill that gap then write a fan fiction or something.

While I'm at it, I'll just say sorry for liking Reach.

/the most pathetic thing I've heard in a while.

[Edited on 11.26.2011 4:31 PM PST]

  • 11.26.2011 4:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
No. They've fulfilled their role in the story, we don't need a book on these frankly awful characters.

  • 11.26.2011 4:30 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: ajw34307
Your reasoning was stupid, your reaction was stupid, therefore you are being stupid. You're basically asking for a book filled with action just to fill in a gap in the story which doesn't need to be filled, if you want to fill that gap then write a fan fiction or something.


Say's who? You?

  • 11.26.2011 4:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Your reasoning was stupid, your reaction was stupid, therefore you are being stupid. You're basically asking for a book filled with action just to fill in a gap in the story which doesn't need to be filled, if you want to fill that gap then write a fan fiction or something.


Say's who? You?


Yeah, says me. Me and about half the people in this topic, apparently... And I don't exactly see an outcry for a book about Noble Team from the rest of the Halo community either.

  • 11.26.2011 4:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Xd00999

Posted by: ajw34307
No. They've fulfilled their role in the story, we don't need a book on these frankly awful characters.

Going by the game's depiction of the Chief, he is a really one dimensional character. If it wasn't for the books I wouldn't care about any of the characters. I'm just saying a good book could do wonders.


That's completely different though. John is the centre of the Halo universe, the main story revolves around him and therefore a series of novels where he is detailed makes sense. Noble Team are minor characters at best, they have their moment at Reach but otherwise there's nothing much to them, there's no need to include this kind of pointless filler. It's not going to make them any better when I play the game, it's not going to make me like them, they're best left alone.

Not to mention that it's a much more enjoyable job for the writer to explore and develop a single important one-dimensional protagonist than six one-dimensional sterile generic archetypal characters who don't actually matter.

So because Noble are not the story's main focus they shouldn't be explored? I think they should be explored for exactly that reason. A large part about Chief is the fact that you can be him. To explore his character would take away from the fact that he is designed so that anyone can insert their personality into him. Noble team are not held back by that restriction. In fact I would go so far as to say that Noble are more deserving of a new novel than Chief; they have a character that should be expanded upon while the Chief's character is limited to a few one liners in game. Noble's characters are shallow because they have had so little screen time devoted to them. I would say that Jorge's character is better than the Chief's in game character and the Chief had three games focused on him.

*puts on extra strength flame suit*

  • 11.26.2011 4:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Your reasoning was stupid, your reaction was stupid, therefore you are being stupid. You're basically asking for a book filled with action just to fill in a gap in the story which doesn't need to be filled, if you want to fill that gap then write a fan fiction or something.


Say's who? You?


Yeah, says me. Me and about half the people in this topic, apparently... And I don't exactly see an outcry for a book about Noble Team from the rest of the Halo community either.


And yet topics like these keep coming up and the support is there. If they made a book, nothing would force you to read it and those genuinely interested can. Honestly, the idea of it being a comic would work fine for me if a book can't happen. It's not like we're asking for a multi-book series. We just want Noble to get the credit they deserve.

  • 11.26.2011 4:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xd00999
So because Noble are not the story's main focus they shouldn't be explored?


No. I'm saying that because their role in the story is fulfilled there is absolutely no point in going back and exploring what they'd have done before. It's like telling Shakespeare to make a play talking about the origins of Macbeth or Othello, it's just not needed because they fulfill their role in the plot.

I think they should be explored for exactly that reason. A large part about Chief is the fact that you can be him. To explore his character would take away from the fact that he is designed so that anyone can insert their personality into him.

It can go either way. The player can either read the books and learn about him or project themselves into him to better immerse themselves, however the novels focus on exploring his past, not his character - there is a difference.

Noble team are not held back by that restriction. In fact I would go so far as to say that Noble are more deserving of a new novel than Chief; they have a character that should be expanded upon while the Chief's character is limited to a few one liners in game. Noble's characters are shallow because they have had so little screen time devoted to them. I would say that Jorge's character is better than the Chief's in game character and the Chief had three games focused on him.

*puts on extra strength flame suit*


It's not about who deserves to have a novel written about them, it's the fact that there doesn't NEED to be a novel written about them. Nothing that's put down on paper will change what was in the game, they're Spartans which directly limits any kind of character development, therefore resulting in a waste of a novel. The only Spartan that stood out of the crowd was Kurt, he was a one-of-a-kind, yet some people just want to see characters become a carbon copy of his character...

  • 11.26.2011 4:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Your reasoning was stupid, your reaction was stupid, therefore you are being stupid. You're basically asking for a book filled with action just to fill in a gap in the story which doesn't need to be filled, if you want to fill that gap then write a fan fiction or something.


Say's who? You?


Yeah, says me. Me and about half the people in this topic, apparently... And I don't exactly see an outcry for a book about Noble Team from the rest of the Halo community either.


And yet topics like these keep coming up and the support is there. If they made a book, nothing would force you to read it and those genuinely interested can. Honestly, the idea of it being a comic would work fine for me if a book can't happen. It's not like we're asking for a multi-book series. We just want Noble to get the credit they deserve.


Keep coming up? Yeah, maybe every 1 in 200 topics will be devoted to the suggestion that there could be a novel and support is minimal.

And what credit does this band of generic sterile one-dimensional characters deserve? They didn't do anything other than destroy a Supercarrier and deliver a fragment of Cortana containing some information from some BS Forerunner artefact which we never learn about.

Best to do away with characters like that, sweep them under the run because there's nothing more to say about them. :)

  • 11.26.2011 4:50 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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The idea still has potential. Yeah it's all set in stone what happens to them, but as Fistful of Arrows showed, there are those who like the characters enough to form their own stories. The demand is there.

  • 11.26.2011 4:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
The idea still has potential. Yeah it's all set in stone what happens to them, but as Fistful of Arrows showed, there are those who like the characters enough to form their own stories. The demand is there.


Fistful of Arrows was completely different. It was about explaining what happened to Jun (which is a pretty massive hole in the story) whilst providing some background info about him, not focusing on the past because that's completely unimportant, the only significant part of the past was showing that Jun forms a connection with his targets.

The "demand" is extremely minimal, you're part of a minority acting as if this HAS to happen.

  • 11.26.2011 4:56 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue then. I will apologize for my behavior earlier. It's just getting really aggravating to see characters I liked get such crappy treatment, amongst the fanbase and officially, *cough* Glasslands *cough*.

Not an excuse though.

  • 11.26.2011 4:59 PM PDT

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I never thought any member of the Noble Team (Except maybe Jorge) was on the 'original' Noble Team. I always envisioned Noble Team starting out with a completely different selection of Spartans, and after years of deaths and exchanges we end up with our six members. I would read a book about that, but we would need one major character to anchor ourselves to, and if this was a book I would argue Jorge should be that character.

[Edited on 11.26.2011 5:00 PM PST]

  • 11.26.2011 4:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I never thought any member of the Noble Team (Except maybe Jorge) was on the 'original' Noble Team. I always envisioned Noble Team starting out with a completely different selection of Spartans, and after years of deaths and exchanges we end up with our six members. I would read a book about that, but we would need one major character to anchor ourselves to, and if this was a book I would argue Jorge should be that character.


Really depends when Jorge comes into the picture. If we were to be anchored to anyone, it would be Carter, wasn't it stated he and Kat were the last original members of Noble Team?

  • 11.26.2011 5:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I never thought any member of the Noble Team (Except maybe Jorge) was on the 'original' Noble Team. I always envisioned Noble Team starting out with a completely different selection of Spartans, and after years of deaths and exchanges we end up with our six members. I would read a book about that, but we would need one major character to anchor ourselves to, and if this was a book I would argue Jorge should be that character.


Really depends when Jorge comes into the picture. If we were to be anchored to anyone, it would be Carter, wasn't it stated he and Kat were the last original members of Noble Team?
I don't remember, but if that's the case, than yes it should be centered around Carter and Kat.

  • 11.26.2011 5:05 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: MegaMuffin16
Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: MegaMuffin16
I never thought any member of the Noble Team (Except maybe Jorge) was on the 'original' Noble Team. I always envisioned Noble Team starting out with a completely different selection of Spartans, and after years of deaths and exchanges we end up with our six members. I would read a book about that, but we would need one major character to anchor ourselves to, and if this was a book I would argue Jorge should be that character.


Really depends when Jorge comes into the picture. If we were to be anchored to anyone, it would be Carter, wasn't it stated he and Kat were the last original members of Noble Team?
I don't remember, but if that's the case, than yes it should be centered around Carter and Kat.


It would work. After years of losing fellow Spartans, it would explain why Carter is so strict with his men and why he beats himself up after Thom died.

  • 11.26.2011 5:07 PM PDT

Finally we can discuss ideas instead of a stupid flamewar. Megamuffin your idea is great and has loads of potential. Ajw your opinion is respected and acknowledged you don't need to argue your point relentlessly.I love the Shakespeare reference though I'm trying to be like Benvolio I try to keep the piece.

The idea of about the original NOBLE team is great we can see the transition of a Cocky Carter just starting the war to the hardened version we see in Reach



  • 11.26.2011 5:51 PM PDT

I'd kind of like to see what each member of Noble team did to get their position on the team.

  • 11.26.2011 6:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
If Reach had been a book, I wouldn't have read it. The lack of Joe Staten showed; the writing in the game was absolutely abominable, with not a single good character in the entire thing and a plot that was only a means to take you around all these pretty set-pieces.

Whoever wrote the script did an awful job with the characterisation and story. It's an okay campaign but easily the worst in the Halo series.

Noble team isn't interesting at all and I would not like to read a book on them. Especially Six, he was the worst of the lot with virtually nothing interesting about him at all aside from some pre-release bull-blam!- backstory. Master Chief without the books may not be the deepest, but his voice is amazing and he epitomises the silent badass archetype.

Six is like a cheap clone of that.

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  • 11.26.2011 6:26 PM PDT

yas334229812

Small campaign, too many characters.

The script can not be good.

  • 11.26.2011 7:37 PM PDT

I do like the idea of exploring the origins of NOBLE and while were at we can get more info on the rest of the S3

  • 11.26.2011 7:44 PM PDT

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