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Subject: A book about NOBLE team
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Posted by: goldhawk
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Posted by: ajw34307
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So because Noble are not the story's main focus they shouldn't be explored?


No. I'm saying that because their role in the story is fulfilled there is absolutely no point in going back and exploring what they'd have done before. It's like telling Shakespeare to make a play talking about the origins of Macbeth or Othello, it's just not needed because they fulfill their role in the plot.

I think they should be explored for exactly that reason. A large part about Chief is the fact that you can be him. To explore his character would take away from the fact that he is designed so that anyone can insert their personality into him.

It can go either way. The player can either read the books and learn about him or project themselves into him to better immerse themselves, however the novels focus on exploring his past, not his character - there is a difference.

Noble team are not held back by that restriction. In fact I would go so far as to say that Noble are more deserving of a new novel than Chief; they have a character that should be expanded upon while the Chief's character is limited to a few one liners in game. Noble's characters are shallow because they have had so little screen time devoted to them. I would say that Jorge's character is better than the Chief's in game character and the Chief had three games focused on him.

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It's not about who deserves to have a novel written about them, it's the fact that there doesn't NEED to be a novel written about them. Nothing that's put down on paper will change what was in the game, they're Spartans which directly limits any kind of character development, therefore resulting in a waste of a novel. The only Spartan that stood out of the crowd was Kurt, he was a one-of-a-kind, yet some people just want to see characters become a carbon copy of his character...

Keyes's role was fulfilled as soon as we crushed his skull, yet he gets a book where he was the main character and it turned out well. Sgt.Johnson was basically a tough guy stereotype. He never had any significant depth to his character in game yet he gets a novel and it turned out well too. Why do we deny Noble the same opportunity?

You can't learn about his past without him developing a character. Even with the books Chief's character isn't astounding.

Keyes didn't need a novel written about his backstory, his purpose in the story was fulfilled just like Noble. If we give characters books based on whether they need them or not the list of Halo books would be smaller. Did we need even half the stories in Evolutions? You are right that nothing 343 writes will change the game, but the possibility to change Noble from a team of bland archetypes exist. If they do a good job you might actually care when they die. I know I didn't care about Keyes until I watched the Terminal and read Cole Protocol. Had we gone by your idea that only character who need a book get one I would still think that Keyes was nothing more than a marine character who got a few more lines of dialogue; in essence, a bland one-dimensional captain archetype.

  • 11.26.2011 9:10 PM PDT

A Book about Noble Team could tell us several things.

A: The kinds of mission given before the suicide ones.
B: When they got MJOLNIR/how they got it.
C: More information about the rebels and what they were doing through the war.
D: More information on areas of 'blank time' during the war. More detail on battles and such.

I still think some people walked into Reach expecting Mass Effect level of character development from a FPS. Which frankly isn't going to happen right now.

[Edited on 11.26.2011 9:35 PM PST]

  • 11.26.2011 9:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A Book about Noble Team could tell us several things.

A: The kinds of mission given before the suicide ones.
B: When they got MJOLNIR/how they got it.
C: More information about the rebels and what they were doing through the war.
D: More information on areas of 'blank time' during the war. More detail on battles and such.

I still think some people walked into Reach expecting Mass Effect level of character development from a FPS. Which frankly isn't going to happen right now.

I agree with all of those points. For a war that is so central to the whole setting we know surprising little. We know a bit about the beginning and the 2530's but other than that we know next to nothing. I can't remember a single significant thing that happened during the late 30's and all of the 40's.

The only FPS game that I can say had characters I liked and felt for was Crysis 2. In a single game they managed to outpace every other FPS game in characters. You just felt much more involved in the game. Hargreave's death was the only time I felt sorry to see a character go.

  • 11.27.2011 10:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: ajw34307
No. They've fulfilled their role in the story, we don't need a book on these frankly awful characters.

  • 11.27.2011 10:12 AM PDT

Hey, now!

This is officially either the greatest or worst thing to ever happen to Star Wars. I'm going with the former.

Honestly, I would like to see NOBLE in some shape or form, possibly back to some of the older members of the squad were still active, as Kat and Carter are the two remaining original members.

Perhaps a short story in an 'Evolutions' type book, where NOBLE is not the forefront, but just one of many stories.


Also, A Fistfull of Arrows is NOT canon, as much as some people want it to be.

  • 11.27.2011 10:37 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
A Book about Noble Team could tell us several things.

A: The kinds of mission given before the suicide ones.
B: When they got MJOLNIR/how they got it.
C: More information about the rebels and what they were doing through the war.
D: More information on areas of 'blank time' during the war. More detail on battles and such.

I still think some people walked into Reach expecting Mass Effect level of character development from a FPS. Which frankly isn't going to happen right now.


Exactly. This are some reasons why I want a novel detailing all of Noble Teams operational history, from the start, with the original Noble's, all the operations they partook in, the deaths, how their time in Spartan III bootcamp was, rebel factions taken down... There are hundreds of reasons that go perfectly here. With the right author, Travis or Tobias, these novels could become pure gold canon material, relating both into the Insurrectionist part of the war and the part with the Covenant. Tobias already proved himself great in this aspect with Dirt.

It would expand a lot on Noble and clear their names for being undeveloped. Their relationships and mental traumas with each death would be perfectly shown, especially in Carter and Kat.

  • 11.27.2011 10:42 AM PDT
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Five exclamations marks are a good signifier of an insane mind. As is trying to hide from Death in an airtight room. Silly wizard.

i think a book about noble would be a good thing to do. they could use some character development.

  • 11.27.2011 4:12 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307

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Posted by: ajw34307
Your reasoning was stupid, your reaction was stupid, therefore you are being stupid. You're basically asking for a book filled with action just to fill in a gap in the story which doesn't need to be filled, if you want to fill that gap then write a fan fiction or something.


Say's who? You?


Yeah, says me. Me and about half the people in this topic, apparently... And I don't exactly see an outcry for a book about Noble Team from the rest of the Halo community either.
Yes because you know what others like, Dont BS around on others opinions, I like reach and her characters I love noble as a team. you going to snap at me for my opinion? or are you going to grow up? you see the universe of halo is not in you control so dont act as if it isby downplaying reach and ideas by others. I can just see you spewing a tantrum if a noble book was made. Such a child

[Edited on 11.27.2011 4:36 PM PST]

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Posted by: grey101
If a game on them was bad (in which some retards think the games are the best of everything) then a book isn't going to help.


And if a book is needed to help your are only proving that the game was bad.


And if a book is needed to help your are only proving that the game was bad.

So you're saying that Master Chief is a one dimensional character and all of the Halo Trilogy sucks because they needed books to support them? Okay.

  • 11.27.2011 5:40 PM PDT
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Be nice to noobs..Remember even MLG players were noobs at one point.

I love a good Halo book as much as anyone else, but Noble team has already served it's purpose. Face the facts Noble was basically cannon fodder. Besides there really isn't much story value left since it would be the third(?) book covering the Fall of Reach (counting the reprint), if it was written. We get the point...Reach was an "Oh -blam!- man this is it," type of moments..just let the story of Reach die its been screwed up enough.

  • 11.27.2011 5:56 PM PDT
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Do not waste your tears, I was not born to watch the world grow dim. Life is not measured in years, but by the deeds of men.

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Posted by: halo3f3ak
I love a good Halo book as much as anyone else, but Noble team has already served it's purpose. Face the facts Noble was basically cannon fodder. Besides there really isn't much story value left since it would be the third(?) book covering the Fall of Reach (counting the reprint), if it was written. We get the point...Reach was an "Oh -blam!- man this is it," type of moments..just let the story of Reach die its been screwed up enough.

Who says the book has to be about Reach? Last time I checked there were a few decades of things that happened that you could easily write a book about.

[Edited on 11.27.2011 5:58 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2011 5:58 PM PDT


Posted by: halo3f3ak
I love a good Halo book as much as anyone else, but Noble team has already served it's purpose. Face the facts Noble was basically cannon fodder. Besides there really isn't much story value left since it would be the third(?) book covering the Fall of Reach (counting the reprint), if it was written. We get the point...Reach was an "Oh -blam!- man this is it," type of moments..just let the story of Reach die its been screwed up enough.


Um, nobody here is asking for another book about Reach. I know I am (I think others are too) asking more for a book covering Noble Team's founding, Six's actions during the war, How many people have gone in and out of Noble Team.

Aka filling more gaps of the human-covenant war and more information on rebel actions during that time.

  • 11.27.2011 6:00 PM PDT
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Be nice to noobs..Remember even MLG players were noobs at one point.

As long as the book didn't really cover the Reach story line (that was what I got out of reading the OP but difference of reader I suppose) I would be fine with a book covering how Noble came to be...just not during the Fall of Reach.

  • 11.27.2011 6:01 PM PDT


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Posted by: ajw34307
Your reasoning was stupid, your reaction was stupid, therefore you are being stupid. You're basically asking for a book filled with action just to fill in a gap in the story which doesn't need to be filled, if you want to fill that gap then write a fan fiction or something.


Say's who? You?


Yeah, says me. Me and about half the people in this topic, apparently... And I don't exactly see an outcry for a book about Noble Team from the rest of the Halo community either.
Yes because you know what others like, Dont BS around on others opinions, I like reach and her characters
Reach is a chick?!? O_O

  • 11.27.2011 6:02 PM PDT


Posted by: Juan Teran

Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Your reasoning was stupid, your reaction was stupid, therefore you are being stupid. You're basically asking for a book filled with action just to fill in a gap in the story which doesn't need to be filled, if you want to fill that gap then write a fan fiction or something.


Say's who? You?


Yeah, says me. Me and about half the people in this topic, apparently... And I don't exactly see an outcry for a book about Noble Team from the rest of the Halo community either.
Yes because you know what others like, Dont BS around on others opinions, I like reach and her characters
Reach is a chick?!? O_O
Well if a ship can be called a her why cant a planet?

  • 11.27.2011 6:46 PM PDT

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If Earth can be called a her, then so can Reach.

  • 11.27.2011 6:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307
No. They've fulfilled their role in the story, we don't need a book on these frankly awful characters.

I disagree completley, this could be very interesting as long as they, and by they I mean 343 unfortunately, give it to Nylund to write.


I don't get why everyone loves Nylund so much, his writing style is so bad. Whoever wrote The Cole Protocol is a much better writer.

  • 11.27.2011 6:51 PM PDT


Posted by: RKOSNAKE
If Earth can be called a her, then so can Reach.
Too bad he was referring to the game, not the planet itself.

  • 11.27.2011 7:00 PM PDT

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yeah this reminds me of the time i got sent to jail for stealing crocs from target becozs i wanted all of the colors because i only got the green wons for my birthday and i wanted more ;)

I'd read it.

  • 11.27.2011 8:16 PM PDT


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I'd read it.

  • 11.27.2011 11:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Juan Teran

Posted by: RKOSNAKE
If Earth can be called a her, then so can Reach.
Too bad he was referring to the game, not the planet itself.
if its about what I said I meant the planet and HER inhabitants

  • 11.28.2011 12:20 AM PDT

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I would like to see a book that filled in the time gaps in the game. Don't think they all took a beach vacation between levels.

  • 11.28.2011 6:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101
If a game on them was bad (in which some retards think the games are the best of everything) then a book isn't going to help.


And if a book is needed to help your are only proving that the game was bad.


And if a book is needed to help your are only proving that the game was bad.

So you're saying that Master Chief is a one dimensional character and all of the Halo Trilogy sucks because they needed books to support them? Okay.


I don't remember saying anything like that,quote please?


And "The Fall of Reach" came out before CE.

  • 11.28.2011 7:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: ajw34307

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: ajw34307
Your reasoning was stupid, your reaction was stupid, therefore you are being stupid. You're basically asking for a book filled with action just to fill in a gap in the story which doesn't need to be filled, if you want to fill that gap then write a fan fiction or something.


Say's who? You?


Yeah, says me. Me and about half the people in this topic, apparently... And I don't exactly see an outcry for a book about Noble Team from the rest of the Halo community either.
Yes because you know what others like, Dont BS around on others opinions, I like reach and her characters I love noble as a team. you going to snap at me for my opinion? or are you going to grow up? you see the universe of halo is not in you control so dont act as if it isby downplaying reach and ideas by others. I can just see you spewing a tantrum if a noble book was made. Such a child


See, it's posts like this that show that you are the childish one here.

At no point in what you quoted did I assume to know what others like, I made an observation that there was a very little outcry for a book about Noble Team. That is a FACT, search the Reach forums or here and you'll find maybe every 1 in 500 topics saying, "we could have a book about them".

As well as being an idiot, you're also being a hypocrite. You're telling me not to judge the opinions of others, yet you are essentially telling me that I'm wrong by saying that Reach was bad, then you go on about how I'm not in control of the Halo universe - a completely nonsensical point.

Given that 343 have said that they have no interest in continuing the story of Jun, I highly doubt that they're going to go through the story of the rest of Noble Team. They realise that their role in the story is done and there's no point in beating a dead horse about it.

I suggest that you grow up and stop being a hypocrite, after all, you're the one spewing a tantrum about my opinion so you're in no fit state to judge me.

  • 11.28.2011 7:56 AM PDT

@accordingto343

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Yeah, this fighting isn't going to get anyone anywhere. This is just going to be the same fight over and over again. Ajw34307, you know I disagree with you and I know you disagree with me. I already apologized for my behavior, I'll leave it there.

  • 11.28.2011 8:25 AM PDT

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