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Subject: The Halo rings kill Flood, right?


Posted by: jross1993
Posted by: DonVinzone1
If that is the case, than that sorts out the Cortana confusion as well:
Halo kills Flood....the Flood we see (Graveminds, Combat forms, Carriers, Infection forms, Pure forms) but not the spores.
So in a way Cortana was right: it kills the Flood's "food" (and their physical forms) but not the real threat: the spores.

We see the Flood structures (Which we can hypothesise are made up of Flood Super Cells) on existing Forerunner structures get destroyed when the array is activated.

If the pulse can wipe these infestations, then it can certainly cleanse the spores, which are made of the same thing.


One could argue that those structures were (proto) Graveminds, and other collections of Flood made from consumed sentient life.
And I guess that's what makes the difference in the effect of the Halos: it kills those who are controlling a body which they've taken over, simply because those still have "sentient life" as their main form. Spores on the other hand are not big enough to sustain a self aware conscious, don't control a body of sufficient biomass, which means they have no cells the Halo arrays can destroy.

  • 11.27.2011 11:29 AM PDT

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Good question? From what I understand, Guilty Spark stated that Halo killed its food, which was any life in the Galaxy. Everything.

So, would this mean that it would kill The Flood as well as any other living organisms in that Galaxy? Considering that I am not good with the canon of the Halo Universe, I cannot give you a 100% correct answer, but any of the other Halo fans who have great knowledge of Halo's canon can.

  • 11.27.2011 11:35 AM PDT

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Posted by: DonVinzone1
Isn't that basically what I just said? If it is I agree.

  • 11.27.2011 11:37 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: DonVinzone1
Isn't that basically what I just said? If it is I agree.


It is. I just read your post too, and I agree with you also.

Basically because the vast majority of Flood is actually made from its food, it gets killed as well.

  • 11.27.2011 11:42 AM PDT

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Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

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Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: DonVinzone1
Isn't that basically what I just said? If it is I agree.


It is. I just read your post too, and I agree with you also.

Basically because the vast majority of Flood is actually made from its food, it gets killed as well.
So we can agree to agree... Good.

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  • 11.27.2011 11:55 AM PDT


Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: DonVinzone1
Isn't that basically what I just said? If it is I agree.


It is. I just read your post too, and I agree with you also.

Basically because the vast majority of Flood is actually made from its food, it gets killed as well.
So we can agree to agree... Good.


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  • 11.27.2011 11:58 AM PDT

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Funny story.

I was more surprised with Cryptum to be honest, they used the Halos locally, in-system without going out of those boundaries

Why can't they do it again? Why can't Guilty Spark use the Halo locally like MB and the Master Builder to exterminate local Flood infestation, It would have been logical to use it during Halo 2 when the Flood spread to High Charity.

[Edited on 11.27.2011 12:15 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2011 12:15 PM PDT


Posted by: monitor 16807
I was more surprised with Cryptum to be honest, they used the Halos locally, in-system without going out of those boundaries

Why can't they do it again? Why can't Guilty Spark use the Halo locally like MB and the Master Builder to exterminate local Flood infestation, It would have been logical to use it during Halo 2 when the Flood spread to High Charity.


I think they've made some adjustments to the remaining Halos after the incident at the end of Cryptum. Spark also seems to hint at such things in the Terminals of CEA for instance.
What's also puzzling is that Spark could send pieces of Halos terrain into space, basically killing the Flood that goes with it...but in CE he doesn't even consider that.
Then again: it seems old Spark went rampant long before we met him, and he might not have acted like he should or was expected to do in the first place.

  • 11.27.2011 12:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: monitor 16807
I was more surprised with Cryptum to be honest, they used the Halos locally, in-system without going out of those boundaries

Why can't they do it again? Why can't Guilty Spark use the Halo locally like MB and the Master Builder to exterminate local Flood infestation, It would have been logical to use it during Halo 2 when the Flood spread to High Charity.

By that time I'm pretty sure the infection was rapidly spreading.

  • 11.27.2011 12:31 PM PDT
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This has just ruined my day. I thought I knew alot about Halo, but this has got me 'unnervy' and unsure, because I've never thought about it that way. I also thought it killed the flood's food source, but after watching Halo Legends, I've gone into a complete abyss. My life is a lie...

  • 11.27.2011 1:06 PM PDT
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I think the purpose of the ring is to kill the flood, but it does so by killing all sentient life.

  • 11.27.2011 3:14 PM PDT

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maybe it just kills more complex flood forms like combat and pure forms, but the spoors survive due to their lack of a nervous system.

  • 11.27.2011 8:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: monitor 16807
I was more surprised with Cryptum to be honest, they used the Halos locally, in-system without going out of those boundaries

Why can't they do it again? Why can't Guilty Spark use the Halo locally like MB and the Master Builder to exterminate local Flood infestation, It would have been logical to use it during Halo 2 when the Flood spread to High Charity.
Guilty spark was rampant, he was probably so paranoid that he wanted to act on the off chance that the flood had already made it to slipspace. In Halo 2, the humans and elites weren't even aware of the local function of the ring, so they couldn't use it.

  • 11.27.2011 8:04 PM PDT

I always thought Origins couldn't really be counted on, because it was from Cortana's POV, and she was practically rampant. She also said that the Covenant and humans joined forces to defeat the flood, but that wasn't REALLY true either...

  • 11.27.2011 11:42 PM PDT


Posted by: VANGUARD 003
I always thought Origins couldn't really be counted on, because it was from Cortana's POV, and she was practically rampant. She also said that the Covenant and humans joined forces to defeat the flood, but that wasn't REALLY true either...


Well, firstly Cortana's state is assumed to be rampant by the community. Sure, 343i had hinted at it, but it's never been stated officially as being such. It's just that this community tends to come up with things to explain vague pieces of canon themselves, and then somehow turn that into "the truth". In reality: we don't know Cortana's state. We'll have to wait until H4 for that.

As for the second part: UNSC and Covenant forces did in fact join to defeat the Flood. Not the entire Covenant, just the Seperatists. And not as their primary goal, but still: at the Ark, and on Earth, the UNSC and Seperatists joined forces to defeat the Flood. What happened after H3/Glasslands in the rest of the Universe hasn't been explained...

  • 11.27.2011 11:54 PM PDT

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The Flood are wiped out. Any Flood that are spared from the blast either starve or hibernate.

  • 11.28.2011 12:20 AM PDT


Posted by: McSwishy
The Flood are wiped out. Any Flood that are spared from the blast either starve or hibernate.


Again: assumptions ;)

We never learned what happened with the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo and in the Fleet surrounding High Charity. We only know of Gravemind sending 1 ship, and then following on High Charity through the Ark Portal. Think about it: that could hardly have been his entire army.
And then you probably have Flood alive on other planets as well, as Halo Wars showed, and thats not even mentioning Flood kept for study on each Halo....which means there are still 6 Halos left with Flood on them (including Delta Halo).
The Ark didn't fire, there was no blast from that. It was the explosion of the rebuild Alpha Halo that destroyed the Ark and with it the Flood in that area....but the effect of that victory doesn't go beyond that area...

  • 11.28.2011 12:36 AM PDT

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Posted by: DonVinzone1

Posted by: McSwishy
The Flood are wiped out. Any Flood that are spared from the blast either starve or hibernate.


Again: assumptions ;)

We never learned what happened with the Flood outbreak on Delta Halo and in the Fleet surrounding High Charity. We only know of Gravemind sending 1 ship, and then following on High Charity through the Ark Portal. Think about it: that could hardly have been his entire army.
And then you probably have Flood alive on other planets as well, as Halo Wars showed, and thats not even mentioning Flood kept for study on each Halo....which means there are still 6 Halos left with Flood on them (including Delta Halo).
The Ark didn't fire, there was no blast from that. It was the explosion of the rebuild Alpha Halo that destroyed the Ark and with it the Flood in that area....but the effect of that victory doesn't go beyond that area...


That response has no relevancy to the survival of the Flood when exposed to the blast of a Halo ring.


That just is a summary of the end of Halo 3, and minor assumptions placed delicately in between.


The main point, to which I addressed, was "Do the Halo rings kill the Flood"?
(The wording is changed only for contextual purposes)



EDIT: Upon closer inspection I found the misunderstanding. My post was a direct response to the OP's, stating that when fired, the Halo rings obliterate both organic and Flood organisms alike. I was not saying that the Flood are currently wiped out.

[Edited on 11.28.2011 12:43 AM PST]

  • 11.28.2011 12:41 AM PDT

Ah ok, I though you were responding to me ;)
No problem mate.

  • 11.28.2011 12:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: DonVinzone1
Ah ok, I though you were responding to me ;)
No problem mate.



Though that post you responded with did make me remember, and begin pondering.


Looks like I'm going to be up for a few more hours, reading.

  • 11.28.2011 12:53 AM PDT

Hi!

They kill all sentient life, this is the source of the flood as it needs life forms to grow and survive, this means over time the flood will slowly die. I believe the flood are not killed by it as one single flood is cleaver enough to be sentient, it is the collective knolage that gives them their strength.

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They kill all sentient life.


Nope.

  • 11.28.2011 1:47 PM PDT

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It seems that Halo is nondiscriminatory. Flood or food. But 343's "Tune to any target" line has me curious.

1. If Halo CAN discriminate targets, why didn't the Forerunners just do that.

2. How would he fire it, when he blatantly told John that Monitor-class AI can't activate rings?

  • 11.28.2011 2:10 PM PDT


Posted by: kkrotz
This has just ruined my day. I thought I knew alot about Halo, but this has got me 'unnervy' and unsure, because I've never thought about it that way. I also thought it killed the flood's food source, but after watching Halo Legends, I've gone into a complete abyss. My life is a lie...



i know *weep*



[Edited on 11.28.2011 2:16 PM PST]

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