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To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SubtleSpartan
I'm just going to cut back to the beginning of this and restate what started it all: the flood CAN infect hosts via spores.


And we have one source that was never elaborated on.

It still doesn't matter since lekgolo,nids, nor spacemarines would get infected by the sporse
Spores can infect people. Anyone who used marines in Halo wars knows that those gas clouds can infect the marines. This was demonstrated on Shield World 0459. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?

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So because one forerunner died they all died? And i already told you that 343 has is knowledge limited.

IRIS,the encyclopedia, and the terminals all say the forerunners are alive. There is a good chance chakas will be in halo 4 and frankie said all the ruins we find won't be empty.

You can keep running in this circle all night and i will keep drawing the lines. Google that information and read it. I know i am correct so i have no problem with you not believing me because i won't feed your lazy ass. It is your job to stay updated, it isn't my job to update you.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SubtleSpartan
I'm just going to cut back to the beginning of this and restate what started it all: the flood CAN infect hosts via spores.


And we have one source that was never elaborated on.

It still doesn't matter since lekgolo,nids, nor spacemarines would get infected by the sporse
Spores can infect people. Anyone who used marines in Halo wars knows that those gas clouds can infect the marines. This was demonstrated on Shield World 0459. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?


Um gameplay for an RTS isn't a source.

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Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SubtleSpartan
I'm just going to cut back to the beginning of this and restate what started it all: the flood CAN infect hosts via spores.


And we have one source that was never elaborated on.

It still doesn't matter since lekgolo,nids, nor spacemarines would get infected by the sporse
Spores can infect people. Anyone who used marines in Halo wars knows that those gas clouds can infect the marines. This was demonstrated on Shield World 0459. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?


Difference.

A: gameplay

B: That's a solid dust-storm style cloud of flood spores slamming into marines, ODSTs, and hellbringers. That's not just a few spores floating in the air of a hallway that flood walked through.

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To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SubtleSpartan
I'm just going to cut back to the beginning of this and restate what started it all: the flood CAN infect hosts via spores.


And we have one source that was never elaborated on.

It still doesn't matter since lekgolo,nids, nor spacemarines would get infected by the sporse
Spores can infect people. Anyone who used marines in Halo wars knows that those gas clouds can infect the marines. This was demonstrated on Shield World 0459. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?


Um gameplay for an RTS isn't a source.
But Halo Wars is published by Microsoft game studios, which if I recall correctly, They gained all rights to the Halo series on 7/7/07,and it is under the control of Waypoint, the hub of all halo information. The fact that it is an RTS has NOTHING to do with canon. That's like saying the book canon has nothing to do with the game canon.

And the Encyclopedia is not the most trustworthy source in the haloverse. For example, The Brute major has an armor of the brute minor. Miranda was killed by an brute honor gaurd. The scout and Rogue armor are the same. John Forge is married and has a daughter? The dates of The battle's of Earth are both wrong. Rtas was somehow a spec ops leader on infinant succur, yet he was somehow promoted to commander after the mission, even though he was referd to Commander, and Sub-Commander Kusovai is subservent to him.
Halo 3 equipment is labeled with halo 2 tags?.
An engineer was placed for an infection form in halo CE?
I can go on how crappy that book was written. And yet we should use it for canon? LOL

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Um, he said GAMEPLAY.

Just like how the spartans in Mark IV armor have shields IN GAMEPLAY. Which isn't canon at all.

Or how you can pump 100 squads of soldiers out of a single elephant.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: SubtleSpartan
I'm just going to cut back to the beginning of this and restate what started it all: the flood CAN infect hosts via spores.[/quote]

And we have one source that was never elaborated on.

It still doesn't matter since lekgolo,nids, nor spacemarines would get infected by the sporse[/quote]Spores can infect people. Anyone who used marines in Halo wars knows that those gas clouds can infect the marines. This was demonstrated on Shield World 0459. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?[/quote]

Um gameplay for an RTS isn't a source.
But Halo Wars is published by Microsoft game studios, which if I recall correctly, They gained all rights to the Halo series on 7/7/07,and it is under the control of Waypoint, the hub of all halo information. The fact that it is an RTS has NOTHING to do with canon. That's like saying the book canon has nothing to do with the game canon.


Lol did you even read what i said? and canon is canon, there is no "book canon". What, don't the swarms infect ODSTs who have helmets on?

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: mrhalo007

Posted by: SubtleSpartan
I'm just going to cut back to the beginning of this and restate what started it all: the flood CAN infect hosts via spores.[/quote]

And we have one source that was never elaborated on.

It still doesn't matter since lekgolo,nids, nor spacemarines would get infected by the sporse[/quote]Spores can infect people. Anyone who used marines in Halo wars knows that those gas clouds can infect the marines. This was demonstrated on Shield World 0459. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH?[/quote]

Um gameplay for an RTS isn't a source.
But Halo Wars is published by Microsoft game studios, which if I recall correctly, They gained all rights to the Halo series on 7/7/07,and it is under the control of Waypoint, the hub of all halo information. The fact that it is an RTS has NOTHING to do with canon. That's like saying the book canon has nothing to do with the game canon.


Lol did you even read what i said? and canon is canon, there is no "book canon". What, don't the swarms infect ODSTs who have helmets on?


They do indeed. Also infect the hellbringers who have fully sealed suits. And the marines on the spirit of fire wearing masks/balaclavas which would protect against spores as well.

  • 12.14.2011 3:11 PM PDT

"Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."--23:5

I like Forerunner technology more than 40K's. Halo has a better style IMO, focusing on sleek, geometrical designs. Setting apart WMD's, mystical beings (Gods, seers, etc.), and anything else over-the-top, I think that Forerunners would put up a pretty good fight against the Imperium.

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But the entire Universe of Warhammer 40K is over the top, even the Imperium. Afterall, what's more over the top than an almighty god in human form with 300 trillion screaming fanatics to power his immaterial soul (I'm referring to the God-Emperor, which is impossible to ignore when looking at the Imperium at its height during the Great Crusade)

Plus, every faction has its own styles. I'd say the Forerunner style of architecture is closest to Tau architecture, while Eldar is somewhat similar to the Covenant designs in its smooth, organic themes. Human architecture is based on Gothic and Neo-Gothic, Necrons are based on Egyptian, Babylonian, death-worshiping cultures,

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I like Forerunner technology more than 40K's. Halo has a better style IMO, focusing on sleek, geometrical designs. Setting apart WMD's, mystical beings (Gods, seers, etc.), and anything else over-the-top, I think that Forerunners would put up a pretty good fight against the Imperium.


See this is an opinion, not "Halo would flat out destroy warhammer even though i know nothing about the universes".

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ooh tough call my Afro-engineered computer will not run my warhammer 40k dawn of war two, which is bullcrap but im a major fan of warhammer 40k so i say its indecisive

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Posted by: grey101
I want a source for somebody getting infected by breathing in flood spores. The people that actually know how the flood are even sketchy about how they work. This means the ODST's in halo 3 should have been infected,along with the scarabs,lekgolo,etc. The Flood alters the environment to better suit them, we don't know anything of an airborne infection.

Truth. There's the one outstanding infection from spores. It took a long time, but it did happen.
ODST's wouldn't have been infected, I believe their masks have filtration systems. If not, it does take a fair amount of time, they simply wouldn't have lived long enough to be properly infected. It has already been established that Lekgolo cannot be infected, they lack a complex enough neural system. Lastly, what did you think that thick green/brown smog was on Halo 3 Floodgate?

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I might clear up this argument, if only a little bit.

40k Races that might survive the flood:
Space Marines
Dark Eldar
Chaos Marines
Ork

Races that will survive:
Necrons
Tyranid
Chaos Deamons

I have reasoning behind this, but I know you will argue this regardless, so dissatisfied with any opinions but your own...

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"Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."--23:5

I'll just post my longer opinion again so it can be refined/corrected/agreed:

Okay, obviously the 40K universe would beat Halo's overall, not only because of sheer numbers, but also because of 40K's mystical forces (Gods, Seers, etc.). Furthermore, Halo's contemporary forces (UNSC/Covenant) shouldn't even be considered: they would be massacred. Both species' technology and forces were completely dismantled and rebooted (San'Shyuum and Humans) 100,000 years before the UNSC/Covy era, so if anything, the current Halo universe has been in the recovery phase ever since the Halo Array was activated.

Now, before the Human-Forerunner War, the Forerunners and Human-San'Shyuum Alliance combined would pose a much bigger threat, but ultimately, without even having to read up sufficiently on 40K's universe, I can go out on a limb and say that 40K would win.

Also, the Precursors haven't even been properly explained, so segregating them to the God/out-of-bounds section would be foolish. They're far from Gods. If anything, their technology was simply 50x better than the Forerunners'. More evidence that Precursors shouldn't be put in the God category was that the Forerunners betrayed and wiped out the Precursors.

Another point: The entire Halo universe, so far, only encompasses one galaxy (the Forerunner's pinnacle as a civilization encompassed around 3 million planets only). I'll just assume that 40K encompasses multiple galaxies, based on the Virus Bomb description. Therefore, to make the fight fair, only a single galaxy's worth of 40K should be pitted against Halo's. But again, this thread's question is about entire universes butting heads, so automatically 40K should win.

  • 12.14.2011 7:20 PM PDT

"Halo! Its divine wind will rush through the stars, propelling all who are worthy along the path to salvation."

Well, The Year 2552 or the year 400,000,000 something....hmmph, who would have the higher tech?

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Posted by: greatestSheriff
Well, The Year 2552 or the year 400,000,000 something....hmmph, who would have the higher tech?
That's the defining point of this whole debate, whether or not you pit each universe's current in-canon timeline, which Halo would be completely wiped out if so.

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"Halo! Its divine wind will rush through the stars, propelling all who are worthy along the path to salvation."


Posted by: Ulicies756

Posted by: greatestSheriff
Well, The Year 2552 or the year 400,000,000 something....hmmph, who would have the higher tech?
That's the defining point of this whole debate, whether or not you pit each universe's current in-canon timeline, which Halo would be completely wiped out if so.
Yep.

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The flood can infect the nids....its the nature of flood...it infects everything it needs....

...Are you seriously judging the forerunners left the galaxy because an AI confused them to humans ?
I expected more from you.

When they where talking about ODST's and SM's they meant airborne way not combat (grey).


Even if spore infect slowely the nids...they still infect...a planet full of flood spores would easly infect any nid that lands there....instantly because the planet is filled with it...there is no place the nid can escape too...

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: FTW 1997
The flood can infect the nids....its the nature of flood...it infects everything it needs....

...Are you seriously judging the forerunners left the galaxy because an AI confused them to humans ?
I expected more from you.

When they where talking about ODST's and SM's they meant airborne way not combat (grey).


Even if spore infect slowely the nids...they still infect...a planet full of flood spores would easly infect any nid that lands there....instantly because the planet is filled with it...there is no place the nid can escape too...



And this is why i call you an idiot because you have no idea whatsoever about what you are talking about.

The Tyranids are a combination of the Flood and Necromorphs. The Tyranids recycle genetic material and rehash it into whatever they need. They can infect anything, the floodsupercell is a baby to the nids.


And It has been established since halo 3 that the forerunners are still alive. IRIS,Terminals, encyclopedia, and even 343 (They imply) State they are alive.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997
The flood can infect the nids....its the nature of flood...it infects everything it needs....

...Are you seriously judging the forerunners left the galaxy because an AI confused them to humans ?
I expected more from you.

When they where talking about ODST's and SM's they meant airborne way not combat (grey).


Even if spore infect slowely the nids...they still infect...a planet full of flood spores would easly infect any nid that lands there....instantly because the planet is filled with it...there is no place the nid can escape too...



And this is why i call you an idiot because you have no idea whatsoever about what you are talking about.

The Tyranids are a combination of the Flood and Necromorphs. The Tyranids recycle genetic material and rehash it into whatever they need. They can infect anything, the floodsupercell is a baby to the nids.


And It has been established since halo 3 that the forerunners are still alive. IRIS,Terminals, encyclopedia, and even 343 (They imply) State they are alive.

This is why i call you an idiot,because YOU have no idea whatsoever you are talking about.

The flood supercell is made to avoid such traps....and learn on its mistakes....it is intellegent.

Also you must have a bad memory...since i already told you thousands of times that they ARE alive and we both agreed about that...The only thing im against is that you tried to prove it via 343 confusing MC with forerunners.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997
The flood can infect the nids....its the nature of flood...it infects everything it needs....

...Are you seriously judging the forerunners left the galaxy because an AI confused them to humans ?
I expected more from you.

When they where talking about ODST's and SM's they meant airborne way not combat (grey).


Even if spore infect slowely the nids...they still infect...a planet full of flood spores would easly infect any nid that lands there....instantly because the planet is filled with it...there is no place the nid can escape too...



And this is why i call you an idiot because you have no idea whatsoever about what you are talking about.

The Tyranids are a combination of the Flood and Necromorphs. The Tyranids recycle genetic material and rehash it into whatever they need. They can infect anything, the floodsupercell is a baby to the nids.


And It has been established since halo 3 that the forerunners are still alive. IRIS,Terminals, encyclopedia, and even 343 (They imply) State they are alive.

This is why i call you an idiot,because YOU have no idea whatsoever you are talking about.

The flood supercell is made to avoid such traps....and learn on its mistakes....it is intellegent.

Also you must have a bad memory...since i already told you thousands of times that they ARE alive and we both agreed about that...The only thing im against is that you tried to prove it via 343 confusing MC with forerunners.



Give me a source saying that about the FSC because last time i checked we don't know the reasoning behind why it was made. So Source your everything you just said is discredited.

They Flood aren't able to infect space marines, why would you think they could infect Nids (who can infect space marines).


No, i proved 343 confusing chief with the Didact. Nothing about forerunners or them being alive, that was the other imbecile trying to talk too much at once.

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Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997
The flood can infect the nids....its the nature of flood...it infects everything it needs....

...Are you seriously judging the forerunners left the galaxy because an AI confused them to humans ?
I expected more from you.

When they where talking about ODST's and SM's they meant airborne way not combat (grey).


Even if spore infect slowely the nids...they still infect...a planet full of flood spores would easly infect any nid that lands there....instantly because the planet is filled with it...there is no place the nid can escape too...



And this is why i call you an idiot because you have no idea whatsoever about what you are talking about.

The Tyranids are a combination of the Flood and Necromorphs. The Tyranids recycle genetic material and rehash it into whatever they need. They can infect anything, the floodsupercell is a baby to the nids.


And It has been established since halo 3 that the forerunners are still alive. IRIS,Terminals, encyclopedia, and even 343 (They imply) State they are alive.

This is why i call you an idiot,because YOU have no idea whatsoever you are talking about.

The flood supercell is made to avoid such traps....and learn on its mistakes....it is intellegent.

Also you must have a bad memory...since i already told you thousands of times that they ARE alive and we both agreed about that...The only thing im against is that you tried to prove it via 343 confusing MC with forerunners.



Give me a source saying that about the FSC because last time i checked we don't know the reasoning behind why it was made. So Source your everything you just said is discredited.

They Flood aren't able to infect space marines, why would you think they could infect Nids (who can infect space marines).


No, i proved 343 confusing chief with the Didact. Nothing about forerunners or them being alive, that was the other imbecile trying to talk too much at once.


Give me a source the tyranids can even infect ? Last time i played the game ....they kill,turn into mass from which they make new tyranids....that isnt infecting...
Means they cant even infect SM's...proving your knowledge not better than mine.

Give me a source that the SM cant get infected by flood ? they are humans...meaning a host for flood.

Sorry about the forreruners being alive blame.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FTW 1997
The flood can infect the nids....its the nature of flood...it infects everything it needs....

...Are you seriously judging the forerunners left the galaxy because an AI confused them to humans ?
I expected more from you.

When they where talking about ODST's and SM's they meant airborne way not combat (grey).


Even if spore infect slowely the nids...they still infect...a planet full of flood spores would easly infect any nid that lands there....instantly because the planet is filled with it...there is no place the nid can escape too...



And this is why i call you an idiot because you have no idea whatsoever about what you are talking about.

The Tyranids are a combination of the Flood and Necromorphs. The Tyranids recycle genetic material and rehash it into whatever they need. They can infect anything, the floodsupercell is a baby to the nids.


And It has been established since halo 3 that the forerunners are still alive. IRIS,Terminals, encyclopedia, and even 343 (They imply) State they are alive.

This is why i call you an idiot,because YOU have no idea whatsoever you are talking about.

The flood supercell is made to avoid such traps....and learn on its mistakes....it is intellegent.

Also you must have a bad memory...since i already told you thousands of times that they ARE alive and we both agreed about that...The only thing im against is that you tried to prove it via 343 confusing MC with forerunners.



Give me a source saying that about the FSC because last time i checked we don't know the reasoning behind why it was made. So Source your everything you just said is discredited.

They Flood aren't able to infect space marines, why would you think they could infect Nids (who can infect space marines).


No, i proved 343 confusing chief with the Didact. Nothing about forerunners or them being alive, that was the other imbecile trying to talk too much at once.
Not saying they can't but have you got source for the Nids infecting Marines? From what I've read generally they'll be absorbed into the Nids' biomass, as in going back into the fleet, but not infected.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: FTW 1997
The flood can infect the nids....its the nature of flood...it infects everything it needs....

...Are you seriously judging the forerunners left the galaxy because an AI confused them to humans ?
I expected more from you.

When they where talking about ODST's and SM's they meant airborne way not combat (grey).


Even if spore infect slowely the nids...they still infect...a planet full of flood spores would easly infect any nid that lands there....instantly because the planet is filled with it...there is no place the nid can escape too...

[/quote]

And this is why i call you an idiot because you have no idea whatsoever about what you are talking about.

The Tyranids are a combination of the Flood and Necromorphs. The Tyranids recycle genetic material and rehash it into whatever they need. They can infect anything, the floodsupercell is a baby to the nids.


And It has been established since halo 3 that the forerunners are still alive. IRIS,Terminals, encyclopedia, and even 343 (They imply) State they are alive.[/quote]
This is why i call you an idiot,because YOU have no idea whatsoever you are talking about.

The flood supercell is made to avoid such traps....and learn on its mistakes....it is intellegent.

Also you must have a bad memory...since i already told you thousands of times that they ARE alive and we both agreed about that...The only thing im against is that you tried to prove it via 343 confusing MC with forerunners.[/quote]


Give me a source saying that about the FSC because last time i checked we don't know the reasoning behind why it was made. So Source your everything you just said is discredited.

They Flood aren't able to infect space marines, why would you think they could infect Nids (who can infect space marines).


No, i proved 343 confusing chief with the Didact. Nothing about forerunners or them being alive, that was the other imbecile trying to talk too much at once.


Give me a source the tyranids can even infect ? Last time i played the game ....they kill,turn into mass from which they make new tyranids....that isnt infecting...
Means they cant even infect SM's...proving your knowledge not better than mine.

Give me a source that the SM cant get infected by flood ? they are humans...meaning a host for flood.

Sorry about the forreruners being alive blame.


When did you go an buy Warhmamer? because at the start of this you never heard of warhammer.

Ignore the space marine part, i am getting Genestealers confused with something irrelevant.


FTW stop running around, I asked for a source about the FSC since you have knowledge about it that i haven't seen yet. And we stated pages ago that Space marines couldn't get infected to due their augmentations.

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