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Subject: Halo vs. Warhammer 40,000

FTW... I hardly know anything about 40k and I still understand it'd beat the snot out of halo.

The Imperium of man could easily overrun the UNSC and covenant. And that's just talking about when they aren't developing anything new and acting retarded.

  • 11.28.2011 9:10 AM PDT


Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Okay, honestly. WTF x10 is with you guys blindly starting the Covenant can easily overwhelm ALL other sci-fi universe factions?

Star Wars Empire? "Oh they could easily destroy them.

Imperium of man (both at strongest and at 'modern' tech retardation levels) "Oh they can overwhelm them."

What's next, the Covenant can destroy the Q?

No one said that the covenant can destroy all the other sci-fi universes....


Oh? Then what universe can the Covenant NOT beat?

Cause the vs threads I've seen lately have all been infested by this stupid and blind "Oh Covenant tech is better and thus they win." comments with no backing whatsoever.

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Posted by: FTW 1997
I didn't say that the Haloverse is the the strongest universe ever.
It can be defeated by some other universes...But all im saying is that the warhammmer universe would not be able to defeat the halo universe while its on full power.


The forerunners where able to defeat the flood at its early stages but they wanted to experiment and find out more about the new species that they just found.They thought that they would be able to keep it under control.If the forerunners wanted they would've been able to exterminate flood at its first moments.


And what is wrong with me not including Ancient man ?
I mean they have the same technology as the forerunners but they aren't a big part of halo universe.
And if i would include the Ancient humans.I think that the warhammer universe would not be able to defeat haloverse at all.

And since when can space marines or the losers eldar defeat forerunners ?!?!

Ofcourse bungie had a choice to make a game that has soldiers that are 10 meters tall ,that shoot 2 meter bullets and which is completely based on some magic.

But NO! bungie found a great way to make a game that is the dominate game in the world for the moment and think-out of a awesome deep story that is based on real life science.(please don't ask why).


The forerunners would simply destroy everyone with their halo.
And im not even talking about precursors.



"But all im saying is that the warhammmer universe would not be able to defeat the halo universe while its on full power."


WHAT????? Do you know ANYTHING about warhammer?


Warhammer has several races all that have hundreds of star systems, trillions of armies, and a constant population of trillions to supply those armies. Not to mention The chaos GODS.


The only races we know of to have a population of trillions in halo are the Forerunners, we then assume the same for ancient man and the precursors. I am leaving the lekgolo out of this.


So you are pretty much saying the Forerunners at their hight would be able to take on the ENTIRE universe of warhammer; seeing how the UNSC and covenant couldn't even wipe out the imperium of man.


If you knew anything about the space marines you wouldn't even ask that question nor will i give you the answer. How can you say "halo would win" if you don't even know a lick about who they are fighting?
So

  • 11.28.2011 9:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Okay, honestly. WTF x10 is with you guys blindly starting the Covenant can easily overwhelm ALL other sci-fi universe factions?

Star Wars Empire? "Oh they could easily destroy them.

Imperium of man (both at strongest and at 'modern' tech retardation levels) "Oh they can overwhelm them."

What's next, the Covenant can destroy the Q?

No one said that the covenant can destroy all the other sci-fi universes....


Oh? Then what universe can the Covenant NOT beat?

Cause the vs threads I've seen lately have all been infested by this stupid and blind "Oh Covenant tech is better and thus they win." comments with no backing whatsoever.


Well...not only tech....the 12+ species that work together...The loads of ships that they built....The religion that they are all willing to do anything for.

And seriously why did you get so angry ?
I didn't say that the can defeat the universe ....Chill.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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What "12 plus species" are in the covenant?

  • 11.28.2011 9:18 AM PDT
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Huh so sure ?

The I bet the covenant united with unsc would have at-least a trillion.

And seriously again im telling you...THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEFEAT THE WARHAMMER UNIVERSE VIA NORMAL COMBAT, THEY WOULD USE THE HALO's.

The lower species (covenant,unsc) Hold off the lower species for sometime...While the higher species (forerunners,precursors,AHE)
Hold off the higher species....while they all take effort in building the halo's...
It took the forerunners 300 years to build the 12 halo's...I counted that if all those species help in building the halo's,they would build it in 18,4 years....Not a big amount of time...Since The halo's kill ALL the living things...
They would wipe the warhammer universe clean.

This is the simplest of all the tactics available.

Heck i find it stupid on my side comparing the great halo universe against the warhammer...seriously warhammer has magic...WTF ? its no fair magic is stupid.
Not including the infections which would be a complete crossover and everyone gets fckd.

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Posted by: grey101
What "12 plus species" are in the covenant?


Eight im sorry.

  • 11.28.2011 9:29 AM PDT

Yep, using the halo rings means the Halo universe loses...

Cause they wipe out your guys for sure, maybe the enemy.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, using the halo rings means the Halo universe loses...

Cause they wipe out your guys for sure, maybe the enemy.


As said before in my previous post...It is possible to survive if you know the effect...As did the forerunners.

Obviously the enemy's wouldn't know what a halo is.

  • 11.28.2011 9:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: MAC Blast
this means no gods snapping their fingers and everyone dies.


Clearly you've never had an -blam!- GM.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: FTW 1997

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron
Yep, using the halo rings means the Halo universe loses...

Cause they wipe out your guys for sure, maybe the enemy.


As said before in my previous post...It is possible to survive if you know the effect...As did the forerunners.

Obviously the enemy's wouldn't know what a halo is.


Can you elaborate on what the hell you are talking about?


You can only survive the array


1. If you are in a shield world or slipspace stasis

2. a flood infection form/spore

3. can't be infected by the flood



Posted by: FTW 1997
Huh so sure ?

The I bet the covenant united with unsc would have at-least a trillion.

And seriously again im telling you...THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DEFEAT THE WARHAMMER UNIVERSE VIA NORMAL COMBAT, THEY WOULD USE THE HALO's.

The lower species (covenant,unsc) Hold off the lower species for sometime...While the higher species (forerunners,precursors,AHE)
Hold off the higher species....while they all take effort in building the halo's...
It took the forerunners 300 years to build the 12 halo's...I counted that if all those species help in building the halo's,they would build it in 18,4 years....Not a big amount of time...Since The halo's kill ALL the living things...
They would wipe the warhammer universe clean.

This is the simplest of all the tactics available.

Heck i find it stupid on my side comparing the great halo universe against the warhammer...seriously warhammer has magic...WTF ? its no fair magic is stupid.
Not including the infections which would be a complete crossover and everyone gets fckd.


what the hell are you talking about?


Yes if the UNSC and covenant teamed up they would have more than a trillion armed forces. But ship wise they might only have 4,000 or so (if i remember the numbers i ran forever ago) and that isn't alot of ships.

So an army of a trillion with limited star systems and 4,000 ships verse several races that alone have armies in the trillions and stronger technology. Hmm.


I have established long ago that experimental super weapons mean absolutely nothing in an actual war. The US has nukes yet they haven't bombed a city since WW2. Just because the forerunner built the halo's doesn't mean they are going to use them every chance they get. Not to mention cryptum clearly showed how easy it can be to destroy the rings.

None of the races in halo other than the forerunners have the population or the technology to stand up to the races in warhammer. Despite that the forerunners couldn't take on all the races alone and the UNSC/Covenant alliance wouldn't help at all.

  • 11.28.2011 10:05 AM PDT
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"but you already knew that, I mean, how couldn't you?

Only when no Human brick is left atop another, shall we be satisfied with your destruction.

Haven't we done this already?

My answer is unchanged:

The UNSC/Covenant are less of a factor than the Tau are, unless you use the highest interpretations for their firepower. Even at that, the Covenant would only be approximately on par with the Tau in space.

Any of the larger 40K factions crush them, easily.


If you choose to include the Forerunner, they can do pretty much as they please; the situation is similar to the situation with star wars that has been discussed again and again...

The Forerunner could almost certainly win in the long run (whether they would choose to or not is another matter) the Ecumene at it's height simply has too much of a tech and speed advantage to lose.
Each Forerunner warship is likely superior to it's 40k equivalent (given the whole "world-breaker" and "induce premature stellar collapse" things) but even if they were not the Forerunner's massive stratecgic speed advantage over warp travel means they could always bring more ships to a given battle, (concentration of fleets is easier) or flee without repercussion if they were losing.

Their philosophical outlook should also make the Forerunner quite resistant to chaos, their "mantle" philosophy may protect them in this regard.


The Short version: Forerunner Ecumene > 40K Main Factions > UNSC/Covenant




AND FOR THE LAST TIME: Forerunner infantry cannot solo planets. I swear if I have to read that level of brainless drivel again I'm going to report whoever it it is for damaging my braincells and being a criminal waste of good oxygen....

  • 11.28.2011 10:28 AM PDT

Then the necrons and nids beat the forerunners.

  • 11.28.2011 10:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: MAC Blast
I was wondering this for a while, who would win between these two universes?
everyone at their strongest, but no precursors or old ones. super weapons can only attack a single solar system at once, no killing the entire galaxy with halo/similar thing. this means no gods snapping their fingers and everyone dies.

Contemporary Halo dies horribly.

Forerunners take the galaxy and crumple it up, because, you know, altering the galaxy's axis can do that.

Or they just drown everything that is not the Necrons/in the Warp in ships, because their production capability is fraking insane.

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Posted by: grey101
Not to mention cryptum clearly showed how easy it can be to destroy the rings.

Well, it proved that the Forerunners' 200m ships toss around high gigatons/teratons, to say nothing about their larger ships/that fraking behemoth they call a flagship.

UNSC/Covenant alliance wouldn't help at all.
I concur this point.

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Posted by: God Realm
Then the necrons and nids beat the forerunners.


How?

The protocols the Forerunner used to contain/battle the Flood would work better against the Tyranids, and the new Necron codex while making the Necrons more interesting definitely removed some of the wiggle-room in interpreting their capabilities.

The 'Nids while numerous are too slow compared to Forerunner naval assets, and can be defeated in detail.
The Necrons are a fractured, less than half-functional, shadow of what they once were.

  • 11.28.2011 11:13 AM PDT


Posted by: Sven Nietzsche
Warhammer 40k. Nuff said.


agreed. space marines would own spartans every day of the week. I love halo and all, but you gotta be realistic, lol.

  • 11.28.2011 11:16 AM PDT

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To whoever said that the Forerunner philosophical doctrine would not feed the Chaos Gods is incorrect. For it is stated that any emotion, any whatsoever, can feed a Chaos God. Chaos Gods doesn't purely survive on negative emotions, they exist on the perversions of good emotions as well. For example, Tzeentch is the God of scheming and change, yet he feeds on hope as well, for hope is the root of change. Similarly, Nurgle is the god of disease, decay, and death, yet paradoxically, he feeds on the need to overcome death and the need to persevere.

Furthermore, even if, hypothetically speaking, there were Forerunner emotions that do not feed a god, the sheer number of Forerunners as a sentient, emotional lifeform, would lead to the creation of a new Chaos God to match their soul footprint, similar to the Birth of Slaanesh and the Eldar.

I don't know whether the Necrons or the Forerunners are technologically superior to the other. I mean, it seem their technology seems to diverge in terms of focus. Both have at least hammer-space technologies. Forerunners seem to have conventional (in the sense of what we think as super-advanced aliens) technology, such as super WMDs and world building tech, Necrons seem to focus on death-technology such as soul harvesting and miniaturized matter annihilation.

For all those that think the Halo array is the answer to all, Necrons don't have synpatic tissue to be destroyed by the Halos, so activating the Halos would not affect the Necrons.

On a side note, Space Marines would pimp slap Spartan IIs and Spartan IIIs all across the galaxy, not to mention what Space Marine Librarians, Harlequins, and Adeptus Custodes guards would do

Furthermore, since most of the conflict comes from the Forerunners at its height, which it is most obviously no longer at in the game canon, I think it's only fair that we look at the Warhammer 40K races at their height, which is like War in Heaven status. Lord knows how powerful the Eldar and Necrons were then

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Posted by: rst7503
To whoever said that the Forerunner philosophical doctrine would not feed the Chaos Gods is incorrect.


I said their philosophical outlook would make them quite resistant to chaos.
This is unarguably true, chaos has the most hold on people who are mad/bad/and power crazed (or just generally have crappy lives and finally can't take any more).

The Forerunner have a strong sense of ethics, and very few physical wants-there isn't much for chaos to sink a hook into there.

All that presupposes they have any warp presence at all: the pre-metal Necrons didn't and the Tau hardy do. It's not impossible that the Forerunner are like either of these species, and consequently don't have to worry as much as another species, say Humans or Eldar, do.


Furthermore, even if, hypothetically speaking, there were Forerunner emotions that do not feed a god, the sheer number of Forerunners as a sentient, emotional lifeform, would lead to the creation of a new Chaos God to match their soul footprint, similar to the Birth of Slaanesh and the Eldar.

This is not strictly true, the Tau don't have a chaos god, neither do the 'Nids, or the Necrons.... Infact, Only the Eldar and Humanity do.

I don't know whether the Necrons or the Forerunners are technologically superior to the other. I mean, it seem their technology seems to diverge in terms of focus. Both have at least hammer-space technologies. Forerunners seem to have conventional (in the sense of what we think as super-advanced aliens) technology, such as super WMDs and world building tech, Necrons seem to focus on death-technology such as soul harvesting.

In purely millitary terms then, I believe the Forerunner have the advantage.

For all those that think the Halo array is the answer to all, Necrons don't have synpatic tissue to be destroyed by the Halos, so activating the Halos would not affect the Necrons.


Likely true, they would have to be fought by more conventional means, OP has limited the use of the Halo Array anyway.

  • 11.28.2011 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: rst7503
To whoever said that the Forerunner philosophical doctrine would not feed the Chaos Gods is incorrect.


I said their philosophical outlook would make them quite resistant to chaos.
This is unarguably true, chaos has the most hold on people who are mad/bad/and power crazed (or just generally have crappy lives and finally can't take any more).

The Forerunner have a strong sense of ethics, and very few physical wants-there isn't much for chaos to sink a hook into there.

All that presupposes they have any warp presence at all: the pre-metal Necrons didn't and the Tau hardy do. It's not impossible that the Forerunner are like either of these species, and consequently don't have to worry as much as another species, say Humans or Eldar, do.


Furthermore, even if, hypothetically speaking, there were Forerunner emotions that do not feed a god, the sheer number of Forerunners as a sentient, emotional lifeform, would lead to the creation of a new Chaos God to match their soul footprint, similar to the Birth of Slaanesh and the Eldar.

This is not strictly true, the Tau don't have a chaos god, neither do the 'Nids, or the Necrons.... Infact, Only the Eldar and Humanity do.

I don't know whether the Necrons or the Forerunners are technologically superior to the other. I mean, it seem their technology seems to diverge in terms of focus. Both have at least hammer-space technologies. Forerunners seem to have conventional (in the sense of what we think as super-advanced aliens) technology, such as super WMDs and world building tech, Necrons seem to focus on death-technology such as soul harvesting.

In purely millitary terms then, I believe the Forerunner have the advantage.

For all those that think the Halo array is the answer to all, Necrons don't have synpatic tissue to be destroyed by the Halos, so activating the Halos would not affect the Necrons.


Likely true, they would have to be fought by more conventional means, OP has limited the use of the Halo Array anyway.


Conventional as in weaponry capable of stripping atoms apart.
Necrons can't be destroyed by in any sense of the word conventional.
If you damage them enough, they'll teleport back onto their tomb ship to be repaired.


Wait it both Universes are at their hight then that means the Primarchs as well as the God Emperor as well are walking about.
Man...this is a -blam!-.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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And the forerunners aren't that strong ethically.

They see other races as lower and strip them of their weapons to "protect them" A.K.A Eliminating any competition.

  • 11.28.2011 12:17 PM PDT

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I have read somewhere that the Necrontyr have contributed somewhat to Chaos, as they did have a warp signature. IT's just that they didn't investigate it much, instead preferring the route of material science. I believe the suffering of the Necrontyr on their homeworld contributed some to the rise of Nurgle. Tau do have a warp signature, but it's minimal, partly due to the comparatively small Tau population and partly due to the merely developing psychic potential of the species, so they don't draw Chaos attention much. The Orks interact with the warp through the Waaaargh, and arguably have created their own pseudo-entity through the complexities of the Waaaaargh, Gork, and Mork. The Tyranids don't have normal warp interactions apart from Zoanthropes because of the Shadow of the Warp Effect that the Hive Mind exudes, which at this moment, no one really quite understands. I use Chaos Gods as a loose term for major Warp Entities, in general and include Khaine, Cegorach, etc.

Well, since we are looking at the Forerunners at their height, we have to look at what the Necrons and Eldar during the War in Heaven during their heights, and we don't really know much about them, apart from them being apocalyptic in scale. Also, the Necrons have mass soul harvesting tech, so the automated Forerunner weapons might destroy Necrons, but their won't be any Forerunners left after the soul harvestings, so... I'd say that's more like a Pyrrhic victory, and more like a tie

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Conventional as in weaponry capable of stripping atoms apart.
Necrons can't be destroyed by in any sense of the word conventional.
If you damage them enough, they'll teleport back onto their tomb ship to be repaired.


They can most certainly be destroyed, even by lasguns and bolters:

"The sciences by which such feats are achieved remain a mystery to outsiders, for the Necron do not share their secrets with lesser races and have set contingencies to prevent their supreme technologies from falling into the wrong hands. Should a fallen warrior fail to phase-out, it self-destructs and is consumed by a blaze of emerald light. Outwardly, this appears litle different to the glow of teleportation, leaving the foe to wonder whether the Necron has finally been destroyed or has merely retreated to its tomb." Pg.7 Necron Codex 5E

I'd surmise being blasted back to it's component atoms by Forerunner weaponry would achieve the "too damaged to phase out" bit quite well.

Wait it both Universes are at their hight then that means the Primarchs as well as the God Emperor as well are walking about.
Man...this is a -blam!-.


And? 40K is based on rule of cool, so any battles between "heroes" occur face to face (often sword to sword).
The best way to eliminate the Emperor is to nova Sol, and then blast Earth/Terra for good measure.


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Posted by: grey101
And the forerunners aren't that strong ethically.

They see other races as lower and strip them of their weapons to "protect them" A.K.A Eliminating any competition.


Arguable, they were protecting others as well when they stopped humanities rapid expansionism, it was also convenient for them to be sure, but they responded-they didn't fire the first shot.

What I'm getting at is they are much more reasonable than the majority of people in 40k, and less likely to go bathing in other peoples blood for fun and kicks...

If the majority of humanity isn't corrupted by chaos, then the majority of Forerunners certainly won't be. (Assuming they can be corrupted at all, there are species in 40k that aren't vulnerable to chaos coruption.)

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Posted by: rst7503
I have read somewhere that the Necrontyr have contributed somewhat to Chaos, as they did have a warp signature. IT's just that they didn't investigate it much, instead preferring the route of material science. I believe the suffering of the Necrontyr on their homeworld contributed some to the rise of Nurgle.


I must have missed that, got a link?


Tau do have a warp signature, but it's minimal, partly due to the comparatively small Tau population and partly due to the merely developing psychic potential of the species, so they don't draw Chaos attention much.

As I said, they hardly have a warp presence, and aren't really threatened by chaos corruption-only its physical presence.

The Orks interact with the warp through the Waaaargh, and arguably have created their own pseudo-entity through the complexities of the Waaaaargh, Gork, and Mork.

The Tyranids don't have normal warp interactions apart from Zoanthropes because of the Shadow of the Warp Effect that the Hive Mind exudes, which at this moment, no one really quite understands. I use Chaos Gods as a loose term for major Warp Entities, in general and include Khaine, Cegorach, etc.



Aye, but as you say those aren't chaos gods, I was contesting the statement that the Forerunner would automatically spawn their own chaos god, I dont think there is any evidence to suggest the would.

They don't have to interact with chaos the same way theEldar orHumans do, the other races in 40k make this very clear.

Well, since we are looking at the Forerunners at their height, we have to look at what the Necrons and Eldar during the War in Heaven during their heights, and we don't really know much about them, apart from them being apocalyptic in scale.

We know so little about that time period that it's hard to draw any conclusion, I've been looking instead at what we do know, and I don't think the Necrons have anything that is a Game-Changer here.

Also, the Necrons have mass soul harvesting tech, so the automated Forerunner weapons might destroy Necrons, but their won't be any Forerunners left after the soul harvestings, so... I'd say that's more like a Pyrrhic victory, and more like a tie


Well, they'd have to get hold of all the Forerunners first, this is going to be more than a little tricky for them.

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