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Subject: Halo vs. Warhammer 40,000

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Posted by: Makar
Tied and Halo is best.


I'm a Halo fan and even I admit that Halo is beaten by a lot of other universes, 40K being one.

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Posted by: Makar
Tied and Halo is best.


I'm a Halo fan and even I admit that Halo is beaten by a lot of other universes, 40K being one.
Eh, I'm sorry about that, I looked like a troll there, The sad truth is I have never played Warhammer. But I was running on instinct instead of logic. Again I'm sorry.

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Posted by: Makar

Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Makar
Tied and Halo is best.


I'm a Halo fan and even I admit that Halo is beaten by a lot of other universes, 40K being one.
Eh, I'm sorry about that, I looked like a troll there, The sad truth is I have never played Warhammer. But I was running on instinct instead of logic. Again I'm sorry.


No problem, just don't do it again.

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Posted by: RKOSNAKE

Posted by: Makar
Tied and Halo is best.


I'm a Halo fan and even I admit that Halo is beaten by a lot of other universes, 40K being one.
Eh, I'm sorry about that, I looked like a troll there, The sad truth is I have never played Warhammer. But I was running on instinct instead of logic. Again I'm sorry.
you dont need to apologise.

  • 12.04.2011 7:25 AM PDT


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First of all, that ship crashing was a desperate attempt,

More excuses. Shouldn't matter if a single spore could supposedly destroy a species.
had the Gravemind gotten enough time to come up with a strategy and use his more powerful Flood forms, Earth would be completely under Flood control.
What more powerful Flood forms? More powerful than the pure Flood forms? Like what? And what could be more effective than sending an entire Covenant ship filled to the brim with Flood?
He didn't anticipate that 2/3 of Earth's army would be in that exact area,
You don't know that. In fact, the slipspace drives on Covenant ships are extremely precise. It's more probable that he sent them to that exact spot in order to assault and distract their forces. After all, his main objective wasn't Earth.
he didn't expect for the Sangheili to show up, and he didn't have powerful enough Combat Forms to take Voi.
Again, it's more probable that he fully expected that and what more powerful forms are you suggesting than Pure forms?
I'm talking about the Flood that fought the Forerunners and nearly won, the Flood that could rip tanks apart, the Flood that could bring battleships out of the sky.
He used the most powerful forms that were established in the canon at the time and he didn't take Earth. And again I point you towards the original comment, which is not even dealing with numbers of Flood, but a single Spore. Even a larger scale infestation was contained, completely refuting the single Spore statement.

Secondly, still talking about full-power Flood. Full power Flood would have taken High Charity in about 1-2 days.
That's certainly a strong theoretical assertion. But then you can say this and that "would have," done whatever in retrospect. No more powerful Flood forms existed at the time though, so tough -blam!- bro.

And of course what dictates from where everyone is starting? This only works if we're starting the Flood at a point where they've already gotten ahold of a whole lot of biomass, which would have to have come from the Haloverse.


Ignoring the obvious fact 40K would probably win, I'm just going to go ahead and point out a few things here, the first of which being the Gravemind was trying to lure the Chief with Cortana's messege, not to take over the planet.

1) It can destroy a species. Forerunner protocol was (at a time when the Flood was at the height of their power, something that has never truly been seen before) that upon the report of a single Flood landing on a populated planet, all evacuation efforts cease in areas near the landing, and the Forerunners would destroy either the planet, or turn their weapons upon the local star if it was a system-wide infestation.

From just 1 landing, Forerunners, who anyone with an operational brain stem and has read Crytpum would attest to being terrifyingly overpowered, saw the only way to stop an infection from spreading was complete destruction of a planet...because of one landing.

It even eventually got to the point where if a physical Flood presence was reported as having been established in any form in a system, even if it were just a planet, then in the opinion of one Forerunner commander, the entire system was to be deemed lost, and that the near by star should be supernova'd in order to vaporize the Flood's forces.

2) This is what I mean by "we've never seen the Flood at their fullest potential." The Flood, as I've stated countless times, is composed of a unique cell type called the FSC, that act sort of like building material. They can be formed to create anything the Flood might need, anything at all, including creatures of any size, so long as the resources allow it (bio-mass). I often look at the monstrosities from Origins I as an example of the kind of creatures True Flood, as I call them, had at their disposal.

Talk of resource management for the Flood also leads me into my next point. I call this the Coruscant Paradox. Flood infection and invasion effectiveness is determined by the amount of biomass available to them in an invasion.

It's simple math, really, that 50 Flood fighting 50 sentients will find less converted Flood forms then a force of 50 Flood v. 100 sentients. Which is why I call it the Coruscant Paradox. In this theoretical engagement, Coruscant is the most populace planet in the SW universe, possibly one of the most populace in all of sci-fi, which is why it's perfect for this analogy.

A more densly packed forest of trees will fall faster to a wild fire, which will grow as fast as the forest falls, then a wood of more sparsely laid trees.

Coruscant is the most defended, heavily armed, and populated planet in the galaxy. Which is why it, ironically, will fall easier to the Flood then Tatooine or Naboo. The Flood acts under the exact same principle as a wild fire. If so much as a single Flood spore starts the infection, Coruscant would fall in a matter of days. Entire buildings are consumed in minutes, ships are stolen right out of the hanger by thier infected owners, the orbiting military vessels can't discern the difference between infected and not infected until its too late. These ships, flying off of the city planet like pollen to a flower, ram the military vessels above and dump their unholy cargo until eventually we have infected vessels and non-infected vessels all firing at each other, with only ever more infected vessels of any ilk flying up and raming uninfected ones.

In the cacophony, the defenders of Coruscant fall to their own weapons

Suddenly, the Flood have a truly remarkable base of operations, with more biomass in one planet then the Flood ever got in the Halo trilogy.

The exact same principle is applicable here, with the Imperium's Hive Worlds. Coruscants unto themselves, Hive Worlds would fall exactly the same way as Coruscant would in SW.

And by extension, with a universe of uncountable quadrillions of creatures, the same principle is applicable to the 40K galaxy itself.

Flood steals their technology, their truly devestating techynology, and turns it on their makers. What worlds the Flood can't take for whatever reason they destroy with the weapons of extermanatus. Fleets of Flood ships stolen from infected worlds, far too many for the guns of a military fleet to target*, even unarmed freighters, are used to crash into military vessels at full speed to dispose the infection, which consumes the ship like a wild fire.

40K guns are once again turned on their makers, and their targets are soon to be dead or likewise infected, and then their weapons turn on their former allies as well.

As this continues in an ever repeating cycle, the Flood become ever more powerful and even more unstoppable until they are mathematically incapable of losing.

This is what makes them so dangerous. Ironically, an inferior military force, like the UNSC, holds a better chance of defeating the Flood because the Flood are limited only by the resources of their victims. The UNSC, being likewise limited, use their own limitations to their advantage. They don't have a dense population, and in the case of voi, their were few humans or living creatures left anyway so the Flood could not spread as easily (which wasn't their goal in the first place). This gave Rtas more time to wait for John and Thel.

But in 40K's case, where technology is taken to extreme extremes, and an infinitely more dense population of biodiversity, the Flood would actually have an easier time with it.

This is why it's statistically almost impossible to defeat them. All of those grand advantages defenders of the other side bring up, like vast armies, overpowered weapons and superweapons and what have you, are invariably disadvantages when the Flood arrive and serve only to fuel the parasite's war effort. This makes them, unfairly I might add, a wild card race.

What the Forerunners, in all of their Culture-tier might, cannot defeat, the Flood statistically can. What the Flood cannot defeat, the UNSC/Covenant probably could (barring all non-baryonic races that is, which is why I say this is a tie or in favor of 40K, as the Chaos Gods are non-baryonic).

This cycle of events, with the Flood/Contemporary and Flood/Forerunner relationship, makes Halo arguably one of the most dangerous universes composed of baryonics in sci-fi.

And that doesn't even include the Precursors.

*Note: Before you say that Imperial Fleets are composed of thousands of ships, which they probably are, and so could easily target all the Flood vessels, this is another example of population overcrowding. A military Fleet of that size is proportional to the number of ships available to the general populace, which is always much more. Oversimplified example: a fleet of 100 military vessels is dwarfed by the proportional might of a fleet of 10,000 non-military vessels which are used as battering rams. Non-military ships are disposable rams. Military ships are used as fire support craft, creating a barrier the Flood's enemies cannot escape.

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Posted by: Xd00999
Yet in Origins we see the Forerunners getting physically assaulted by the flood; no energy shields are seen.


That's Cortana's interpretation, it may not be 100% accurate, the Didact's armour certainly has combat shields, they glow when he is angry "as if preparing to deflect massive damage". Bornstellar and the humans are also protected from hostile environments on Charum Haakkor by energy fields.

Even so, Necron weapons have been shown to blast through void shields to I suppose they would work on Halo Shields as well.

Given that the two shield systems appear to operate on very different principles, I'm hesitant to assume that. Can Necron weapons peirce other shield types, like an Iron Halo, for example?

Webway

I'd assume the webway would initially not be accessable to the Forerunner (likewise slipspace to the 40k factions) untill they can get hold of tech that allows access to it. (By combat, trade, theft, or careful observation.)

What are those suppressors you are talking about? I have never heard of them before now.

Briefly mentioned in Cryptum, (they seem like very limited versions of an Effector, if you have read the Culture series) they are described as follows:


HALO CRYPTUM page 193-194

A second Ancilla appeared beside the ship's. The two engaged in some sort of contest, not physical but conducted throughout all the ship's systems. Their images merged, twisted geometrically about each other, then spiraled up and vanished.
"What's that?" I asked.
"AI suppressors," The Didact said. "Instant debriefing and transfer. Our ship has been stripped of knowledge and control."
We were feeling the full strength of a Forerunner warship's most modern weaponry, wrapped and stunned like a fly in a web. Close-in confinement fields flashed around the command centre. We felt gravitation cease.


It goes on to mention that all sensors are shut down, even the occupants armour is completely disabled (locked in place, in fact) to the point that even it's life-support has failed. In fact the only system on the ship that still functions is the hard-light hull, which for obvious reasons is probably the most redundant/hard to knock out system on the vessel.

I don't think it's too much of a strech to say this weapon system could similarly disable other ships/stations in this way.

Anyway, it is a good thing that Machine Spirits don't control many of the defenses.

They do not directly control them, but they are critical to things like target aquisition, ranging, trajectory, and fire control, all the things you need to conduct space-war at greater than eyeball-range. They also would be involved in things like reactor control (this is too complex for a purely mechanical solution, some computer control/monitoring must be involved.)

Yet Orikan can time travel and make sure his predictions come about. Both the Eldar and Necrons can time travel which is a big advantage over the Forerunners.

Their time travel is quite limited, and in a war on this scale I doubt it would make a vast difference.

Another thing to consider is the idea that because no Warhammer force, except the Tau, uses AI it is unlikely that they would need to link all those databases together in a method that could be accessed externally.

I was assumming a Forerunner (or at the least a sentinel) would have to be physically present, like they were in the Maw.

What is stopping the Warhammer forces from launching a boarding attack and infiltrating the vessel during the carnage?

There should be no need to get close enough that it becomes a problem, but if a boarding did occur, then the Forerunner can restructure a good 2/3rds of their vesselson the fly, as they are mostly made out of hard-light energy projections. A ship made out of force fields basically. It's hard to board a ship if the bit you are on is deleted, or the door at the end of the corridor becomes a wall, or the corridor becomes a room with no windows or doors, etc. Also given the displays that War Sphinxes were responsible for on the prophet's homeworld I'd hate to face one in a corridor.

Mindshackle Scarabs, posing as a crew member -----teleporting over some squads of Canoptek Wraiths/Terminators?

Mindshacle scarabs are unlikely to be effective, all Forerunner wear armour and their Ancilla would certainly notice (direct mind interface). Likewise posing as a crewmember you aren't. The ships also have crazy sensor capability-able to dearch for and identify all life forms on a planet (down to the millimeter scale, when they stopped bothering to search) *from orbit*. I doubt you could sneak by that at all to be honest.

Wraiths are probably quite useful, I would agree.

The Orrey is a map of the Milky Way galaxy. Both Halo and 40k take place in the same galaxy so the Orrey should work.

I was assuming both Milky Ways were seperate but connected in some way for this debate, trying to squish everyone in to the one has isues, not least that the Forerunner did a lot of stellar engineering, so the stars may not match up.

White Dwarf 145 states that fact. I have yet to see anything to contradict it.

Do you have a link at all? It's just that that's a very large number, I've not heard it claimed before either.

The C'Tan were crucial to the fundamental fabric of actuality and the only way the only way they were able to be defeated (defeated, not destroyed) was to harness the energies of the living universe.

Yep, broken and boxed, by technological means. Necrontyr science ftw.

How would the Forerunners fair in a warp storm?
As badly as everything else I imagine, I guess their vessels could duck away into the slipstream, but if they have to stay... I think they'd be in as bad a situation as anyone else really.

How are the Flood going to get on the worlds again? Last time I checked security is high and the Navy is strong.

This is the same polity that loses entire worlds with billions of people on them due to administrative error... There are plenty of unaligned worlds as well (granted if they first land on say, Mars, or Earth, then the infection will end there...)

Even if they managed to get on a ship they could not control it because they have no Navigator

They would *be* the navigator at this point, om nom nom and all that.

and the Chaos Gods could always just obliterate them (I mean the ship they hijacked) with barely any effort.

That holds true for any ship in the warp, whether it has a navigator or not, they don't routinely do it though.

I use my ten points to give my Necron a Resurrection orb.

Sure, that only costs 1 point, anything else? :P

Edit: Concerning the suppressors, are you referring to the argon Cryptum where Faber's AI shuts Didact's AI down? If so, why didn't 343 GS use the suppressors and shut down the Covenant Fleet's weapons when they were attacking the Autumn? What if the suppressors were only an "As Faber's AI I outrank you, shut down." thing? Could they even work on Machine Spirits?

They are described as weapons (the most modern ones on a Forerunner warship), and appear to shut down almost every system on the vessel, with the exception of one. They also knock out the armour suits.

Effector-lite basically.

An important part of the Mechanicum is the fact that they are being heavily influenced by the Dragon trapped beneath the Noctis Labyrinth. The Dragon (put there by St.George aka the Emperor) is heavily implied to be the Necron Void Dragon C'Tan so who knows what is going on with the Machine Spirits or other tech?

They seem to be basically semiaware software, I liken them to mass effect VI's, but possibly with less coherent thought in most cases. Either way, they are electronic/computer type things, and should be affected by the supressors.

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
What the Forerunners, in all of their Culture-tier might, cannot defeat, the Flood statistically can.


While I completely agree with you on the Flood containment paradox point (good post btw, well set out and explained) I think the Forerunner are a little above the 40K main races, and would be able to hande the 40K Milky Way.

They aren't quite Culture teir though, even if they can match (and exceed) them in megastructures and superweapons. Their ability to wage a 'conventional' war is much lower than the Culture's ability to do so.

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Posted by: goldhawk
We should know better, because we are better.


Posted by: Fin5434p
*snip*

Fair enough. But most Sentinels don't have shields, only the larger ones.

Pretty sure they can. Of course, there are a grand total of 4 books with Necron antagonists and the only one that could have an Iron Halo in it concerns Ultramarines. Plot armor, don't you love it? That being said, a Necron lord smashes Tigerius's face in, so yeah.

The Webway can detect unwanted intrusion so it could mean that
a) The Forerunners can't use if they do gain access.
b) The can use the webway to it's fullest extent but they get lost because they can't navigate it.

The quote you provided makes it seem like the Suppressors makes it seem like they are partially based on the chain-of-command. We know little about them so the whole subject is quite iffy. Then there is still the issue of communication; could they even access the machine spirits?

A book mentions that the weapons are physically controlled by a human located at the bridge of the ship. The book describes the character as a great shot which means that it is possible to fire them manually. Some weapons are controlled by servitors which are mostly organic. Again, compatibly issues with the suppressors. Reactor control is also performed primarily by AdMech Adepts.

Never underestimate time travel. Orikan can change or predict the future and so can the Eldar. It doesn't matter how advanced your weapons are if your enemy knows your entire battle plan!`

Best part about Wraiths: they can stay in an alternate dimension for as long as they want. They could just fly right up to the commander, insert their claws into his chest, the phase the claws in. Bypasses armor completely.

No I do not have a direct quote or link because I do not have the issue on hand. I have seen the quote used by several people and it is always the same page. It was essentially a paragraph saying that humanity is doomed because there are many more Tyranids yet to come.

Broken and boxed in boxes bigger on the inside. Best part of it is the fact that some C'tan escaped unharmed so the Void Dragon under Mars is not retconned!

How would the Flood know how to do anything in the warp? The Gravemind has never entered the warp before and all he would have to go on are the memories he absorbed from a Navigator. Grey has made a good point that the Flood`s memory consumption powers may not be that perfect.

Everyone working together against the Haloverse includes Daemons. If some Daemons notice some enemy ships going through the warp to attack their allies are they really going to let them go unopposed? Daemons and Necrons could easily stop the Flood in it`s tracks. The Flood is essentially the strongest faction in Halo and without them Halo will have a much harder fight.

I use my other points to get a bunch of Wraiths. They are in your base, killing your dudes.

See above for Suppressors.


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Roberto, I call your Coruscant paradox bull-blam!-.

Reasons?

A: Flood must get on planet. Planetary shields, defensive fleets and stations, etc. If let's say this is a high conflict time between halo and Star Wars, that shield may be up constantly and require permission to lower for ships to enter.

B: Defenses. Infected zones (imperial era) are likely to simply be base delta zeroed from the defending fleet.

C: Ships. While yes, the flood would spread like wildfire and could steal space-faring ships from garages... You ignore the ships in orbit. Basically you say that a Star destroyer captain would go "Derp, let's leave hangers open, shields down, and weapons offline while an infection is rampaging across the planet." Which is bull-blam!-. Those hangers would be closed, shields up, and weapons online shooting anything out of the sky. In the old republic a single star destroyer's guns were good enough that if you didn't have the right codes, you'd get destroyed before breaking orbit. In the empire, those guns are still as good, if not better. Also, likely-hood of ANY civilian craft being able to ram a galactic empire military vessel, break through the shields and armor, and still be able to unload anything is nonexistent.

D: Even then, they can simply pull the senate/emperor/everybody of importance to said orbiting fleet, fly outside and active the planetary shields. Bam, all those civilian craft are trapped inside and can't break free. That or simply base delta zero the -blam!- of the planet. Star Wars, unlike halo, are more then capable of blockading a planet and destroying all escaping craft while bombarding the planet. Likewise, they can also prevent ANY ships from escaping the system.


Now, on the topic of 40k, lasguns from the imperial guard would destroy flood combat forms of civilians, and likewise it's doubtful infection forms or spores would even work against space marines.

Send in a space marine legion, and they'll cleanse the world.

Or, do it the imperium style and simply launch those planet killing torpedos in and utterly ruin all life. OR that bio-weapon which destroys ALL organic matter, inside armor or not.

edit: I agree with the others. Even if they infested the navigator of the ship, it does not mean they could go through the warp safely.

[Edited on 12.04.2011 11:09 AM PST]

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We should know better, because we are better.

Just as an FYI, Virus Bombs have been mostly replaced by now.Some are still used but the Imperium now has Atmospheric Incinerators which skip the virus part and just burn the atmosphere away.

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Roberto, I call your Coruscant paradox bull-blam!-.

Reasons?

A: Flood must get on planet. Planetary shields, defensive fleets and stations, etc. If let's say this is a high conflict time between halo and Star Wars, that shield may be up constantly and require permission to lower for ships to enter.

B: Defenses. Infected zones (imperial era) are likely to simply be base delta zeroed from the defending fleet.

C: Ships. While yes, the flood would spread like wildfire and could steal space-faring ships from garages... You ignore the ships in orbit. Basically you say that a Star destroyer captain would go "Derp, let's leave hangers open, shields down, and weapons offline while an infection is rampaging across the planet." Which is bull-blam!-. Those hangers would be closed, shields up, and weapons online shooting anything out of the sky. In the old republic a single star destroyer's guns were good enough that if you didn't have the right codes, you'd get destroyed before breaking orbit. In the empire, those guns are still as good, if not better. Also, likely-hood of ANY civilian craft being able to ram a galactic empire military vessel, break through the shields and armor, and still be able to unload anything is nonexistent.

D: Even then, they can simply pull the senate/emperor/everybody of importance to said orbiting fleet, fly outside and active the planetary shields. Bam, all those civilian craft are trapped inside and can't break free. That or simply base delta zero the -blam!- of the planet. Star Wars, unlike halo, are more then capable of blockading a planet and destroying all escaping craft while bombarding the planet. Likewise, they can also prevent ANY ships from escaping the system.


Now, on the topic of 40k, lasguns from the imperial guard would destroy flood combat forms of civilians, and likewise it's doubtful infection forms or spores would even work against space marines.

Send in a space marine legion, and they'll cleanse the world.

Or, do it the imperium style and simply launch those planet killing torpedos in and utterly ruin all life. OR that bio-weapon which destroys ALL organic matter, inside armor or not.

edit: I agree with the others. Even if they infested the navigator of the ship, it does not mean they could go through the warp safely.


Another thing to add would be the Flood really aren't that dangerous. Look how easily Voi was contained, and that was even after several hours of fighting on behalf of MC and Arby. Then Shadow of Intent arrives and saves the day, big whoop.

The Flood are really kind of retarded in relation to other more dangerous SciFi races such as the Nids, Zerg, or Xenomorphs.

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40K. I don't think a war would be close. The forerunners would have a chance.

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40K. I don't think a war would be close. The forerunners would have a chance.


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Depends on waht grounds we are fighing in; which one we prefer or which one would win in a battle?

If we go for which ones we prefer I would say the Halo universe becuase everthing seems a lot cooler compared to the equivalents in the 40k universe. Pelicans over Thunderhawks, Halcyon class cruisers over the gothic looking ones from 40k (don't know what there called) and Spartans over Space Marines. With Halo it feels like your fighting a losing war and you care about what planets you loose where as with 40k the imperium can loose and think "whatever it's just another planet. we have thousands more!" Albeit it does allow a more diverse enviroment and allows you to think up every story.

If it comes down too the UNSC, covenant, Forerunners and the flood versus The Imperium, tau, Necrons etc the 40k would win due to the sheer numbers of each race and the range of effects each race can use.

Me personally I will be voting for Halo.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Who said the flood could infect space marines anyway? From all the modifications done on them that i have seen...

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Posted by: Xd00999
Considering the fact that the Necrons have a hollow planet that contains a device that can destroy the entire galaxy, yeah, 40k wins.

halo wins. all the halo rings combined are desined to destroy all sentient life.

  • 12.05.2011 11:05 AM PDT

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I agree with the guy who said Necrons and Daemons are the answer to the Flood. It's not like the Flood can infect either, and I would like to see the Flood trying to infect a Plague Marine before it rots and corrodes away. Also, the cool thing about daemons is that they can always keep coming back into the material universe, so it seems as if there's an infinite number of them. I mean they can be banished for extended periods of time, but that largely takes some sort of faith in the psychic interventions of the Emperor.

However, I do conceded that if the Spartans can get infected (when their shields are down), then Space Marines probably can too when their Rosarius(s) or Iron Halos are down. I think there is nothing biologically that is preventing the Space Marines from getting infected, since all is needed is to tap a central nerve cord, but I suppose it is possible that Adeptus Astartes Ceramite may be too tough for infection forms to get past.

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Posted by: Xd00999
Considering the fact that the Necrons have a hollow planet that contains a device that can destroy the entire galaxy, yeah, 40k wins.

halo wins. all the halo rings combined are desined to destroy all sentient life.

Posted by: MAC Blast
super weapons can only attack a single solar system at once, no killing the entire galaxy with halo/similar thing.

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Imperial guard beats the UNSC and covenant with sheer numbers.

Then all of the WH40k races combined would beat the forerunners.

The flood might be a problem for the humans and eldar but the necrons and tyranids could beat them.

Also Titans would curb stomp most ground forces.

*hasn't read halo cryptum so doesn't know much about the forerunners*

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  • 12.05.2011 4:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: AJF1177
Imperial guard beats the UNSC and covenant with sheer numbers.

Then all of the WH40k races combined would beat the forerunners.

The flood might be a problem for the humans and eldar but the necrons and tyranids could beat them.

Also Titans would curb stomp most ground forces.

*hasn't read halo cryptum so doesn't know much about the forerunners*


The book is worth reading. I also think that the Halo universe would have a tough time against Star Wars or the Borg from Star Trek.

  • 12.05.2011 6:00 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

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Considering the fact that the Necrons have a hollow planet that contains a device that can destroy the entire galaxy, yeah, 40k wins.

halo wins. all the halo rings combined are desined to destroy all sentient life.

How does wiping out all sentient life including themselves trump vaporizing an entire galaxy? Including your pretty Rings.

  • 12.05.2011 6:12 PM PDT

This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends;
Not with a bang but a whimper.

Slavery. The only thing worse than utter destruction. Thus I introduce you to the Flood. 'Nuff said.

  • 12.05.2011 6:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: xXIHAYD0IXx
Slavery. The only thing worse than utter destruction. Thus I introduce you to the Flood. 'Nuff said.


Which is useless against those that are already enslaved (the Necrons), and those that can never have a master (daemons)

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I feel abused...
Seriously its clearly stated that the flood can change into any organ it needs...It means its pefect.
If it can change into any organ then it can change on a atom level.
Heck if the flood need they could make their own planets and death stars that shoot floods that explode...lol jking.

However since the flood can change in atom or smaller levels and is "perfect" it can infect any thing that lives.
That includes all the living things of all the universes.

Also to that guy that said the comander of a ship would simply close the sheilds to hangers....Does crash landing do anything to you ?
And once the flood spores go in on a planet/ship....its done.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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And once the flood spores go in on a planet/ship....its done.


Floodgate begs to differ.

  • 12.06.2011 5:57 AM PDT