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Subject: Why doesn't Bungie.net have an upload option for avatars?
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

*looks at Neogaf forums*

Nope, no rampant avatar pronz.

*looks at escapist forums*

Nope, no rampant avatar pronz either.

*looks at BF3 EA UK forums*

Nope.

*looks at various other forums, fails to see any avatar pronz*

So why can everyone handle the maturity but B.net can't? Something tells me the "pronz avatars" argument is just a cop-out.

[Edited on 11.27.2011 7:57 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2011 7:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: Madmaxepic
No way man, that's no fair! Everyone or nobody, except for the mods who already can. Maybe it could have a time limit say 14 days so that spammers couldn't make their accounts and begin their spamming spree with a meatspin avatar to match it.

But it definitely shouldn't be limited by rank.
Disagreed on that point.

In my opinion, an account holder needs to demonstrate that they are worthy of being able to have access to such a feature - that they can be trusted with it. They should have to build up that level of trust to a high degree because of the possibility of exploitation with such a feature. In other words, someone who is a longstanding member with a high amount of trust is unlikely to "throw away" their account by uploading something inappropriate, because it [their account] is worth something to them - their account is special because it can do things that other, regular accounts cannot.

Posted by: Xplode441
Isn't that the point of having third-party add-ons? So that people could add features that aren't provided by the site?
Sure, but often they're limited in what they can do, incompatible, poorly created, and/or insecure compared to what the site itself could provide.


So as such, is there a previously stipulated rank, something to look foreward to perhaps?

  • 11.27.2011 7:57 PM PDT

There comes a time in every mans life... and that time is not now.

I imagine that bnet has more trolls and way less maturity than those forums though.

  • 11.27.2011 7:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: P3P5I
*looks at Neogaf forums*

Nope, no rampant avatar pronz.

*looks at escapist forums*

Nope, no rampant avatar pronz either.

*looks at various other forums, fails to see any avatar pronz*

So why can everyone handle the maturity but B.net can't? Something tells me the "pronz avatars" argument is just a cop-out.
My opinion on it is just that it'd make the very nice looking and beautifully organized BNet look super unprofessional. I don't think that there would be rampant pronz, (though it's inevitable that there's a few).

I don't want to post in the same thread as 10 troll face-avatars. It'd look icky.

  • 11.27.2011 7:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: r c takedown
I imagine that bnet has more trolls and way less maturity than those forums though.


Then perhaps it's high time a troll census was in order.
Gauge their numbers once and for all, now to just think of an appropriate new topic to woo said trolls too.

Ponders.

  • 11.27.2011 8:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: DefiniteInfinity

Posted by: P3P5I
*looks at Neogaf forums*

Nope, no rampant avatar pronz.

*looks at escapist forums*

Nope, no rampant avatar pronz either.

*looks at various other forums, fails to see any avatar pronz*

So why can everyone handle the maturity but B.net can't? Something tells me the "pronz avatars" argument is just a cop-out.
My opinion on it is just that it'd make the very nice looking and beautifully organized BNet look super unprofessional. I don't think that there would be rampant pronz, (though it's inevitable that there's a few).

I don't want to post in the same thread as 10 troll face-avatars. It'd look icky.

This is why my idea is about you being given the allowance then you must give your suggested profile pic, and then they can agree or not if not then you will have to find one, also before you are able to if you have survived bans for a certain amount of time you get more avatars to choose from.

  • 11.27.2011 8:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: J0man1

Posted by: r c takedown
I imagine that bnet has more trolls and way less maturity than those forums though.


Then perhaps it's high time a troll census was in order.
Gauge their numbers once and for all, now to just think of an appropriate new topic to woo said trolls too.

Ponders.

Is this why we have the flood forum.

  • 11.27.2011 8:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
It isn't our shiznit anymore.

Posted by: r c takedown
I imagine that bnet has more trolls and way less maturity than those forums though.
My thoughts on the subject, copy pasta'd:

About a year ago some members figured out the code to embed pictures on the forum, and all hell broke loose. Certain pictures were spammed in every thread, and ninjas were forever scarred after cleaning up the mess.

Why can't we handle having these privileges? I have been to many more immature forums that allow custom avatars and sigs, and I have never seen disturbing pictures (have you?). Why can everyone else on the internet handle this privilege, but we can't? I have a theory, so bear with me here.

It's called the forbidden fruit mentality and I believe we as Bungie members have had it ingrained in us for years. Either through personal realization or instructions from authorities at Bungie, we have figured out that the personalization at Bnet is lacking. Almost no personal customization is allowed. Some of us were disappointed, but most just went on their merry way in Bnet, doing whatever it is they do on this website.

Then we all figure out that something that was out of our Reach for years is now in our grasp. We go crazy with excitement, not knowing how exactly to use this new feature, and some of us end up abusing this new found (albeit illegally obtained) privilege. Similar to how binge drinking rates are so high in colleges. You were forced to obey rules for years at home with your parents, and now that you are in a rule-less environment with a lot of alcohol you are excited for the chance to drink as much of this magical liquid as you can. So you drink, and you drink, and you don't know your limit and wake up the next morning in the woods, covered in blood next to a goat with its head bit off.

Anyways, what I'm trying to say is by not allowing the members of Bnet to exercise more privileges through avatar or sig customization you have certainly cleaned up the forums, but you have in effect created a false air of maturity, where that maturity in this forum is the result of restricting members' features that could cause certain kinds of immaturity on the forum. An analogy to this would be how a hypothetical city is more behaved because the military has declared martial law. The city is only behaving because they don't want to get shot. The kind of maturity in this city analogy is not equivalent to the maturity demonstrated by another city whose citizens decide for themselves to cooperate with the law, with little external forces compelling them to do so like the first city discussed. Bnet is that militaristic society.

Bnet may be too far gone for me to propose changes in the form of personalized avatars or sigs due to adverse effects from the forbidden fruit mentality (as seen on that day one year ago), but I just hope that if Bungie is planning to create another site for their new IP or for whatever reason, that they work to facilitate maturity through respect in member privileges, rather than force it by restricting those privileges.

  • 11.27.2011 8:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: P3P5I
*looks at Neogaf forums*

Nope, no rampant avatar pronz.

*looks at escapist forums*

Nope, no rampant avatar pronz either.

*looks at BF3 EA UK forums*

Nope.

*looks at various other forums, fails to see any avatar pronz*

So why can everyone handle the maturity but B.net can't? Something tells me the "pronz avatars" argument is just a cop-out.
You forgot to mention that in order to even post on Neogaf, you need an e-mail address from an ISP or similar, i.e. you can't use endless free gmail accounts.

But I've also been on countless sites with custom avatars. I think Bungie should try it.

[Edited on 11.27.2011 8:08 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2011 8:03 PM PDT

Herp
Derp.

Posted by: dazarobbo
Disagreed on that point.

In my opinion, an account holder needs to demonstrate that they are worthy of being able to have access to such a feature - that they can be trusted with it. They should have to build up that level of trust to a high degree because of the possibility of exploitation with such a feature. In other words, someone who is a longstanding member with a high amount of trust is unlikely to "throw away" their account by uploading something inappropriate, because it [their account] is worth something to them - their account is special because it can do things that other, regular account cannot.

But with someone like me I feel like there is no point of even trying to get to the status because I got banned about 3 months ago, and even though I wouldn't throw away my account if I was able to upload avatars for myself I feel like there would be no point in trying to get that "uploader status" because coup is out. But it all depends on what you mean by trust, would it be based on time on/lack of bans alone? Or would post count/quality of posts be more important?

  • 11.27.2011 8:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Disagreed on that point.

In my opinion, an account holder needs to demonstrate that they are worthy of being able to have access to such a feature - that they can be trusted with it. They should have to build up that level of trust to a high degree because of the possibility of exploitation with such a feature. In other words, someone who is a longstanding member with a high amount of trust is unlikely to "throw away" their account by uploading something inappropriate, because it [their account] is worth something to them - their account is special because it can do things that other, regular account cannot.

But with someone like me I feel like there is no point of even trying to get to the status because I got banned about 3 months ago, and even though I wouldn't throw away my account if I was able to upload avatars for myself I feel like there would be no point in trying to get that "uploader status" because coup is out. But it all depends on what you mean by trust, would it be based on time on/lack of bans alone? Or would post count/quality of posts be more important?

Bans wear off after sometime; it's an incentive to be good.

  • 11.27.2011 8:10 PM PDT

That's why I think the trust/title system should be changed.

1) Remove titles, implement privileges that become attainable at certain points of trust.

2) Allow users to see their trust rating so they can see how far along they are until they "unlock" the next privilege, and keep them focused on good behaviour to get to those unlocks.

  • 11.27.2011 8:18 PM PDT
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The really good part of it? Is that if you are having fun while posting well and enjoying your time here, not only is your trust rating improving (and the title as a result), you begin to realize/understand that the REAL reward isn't a title or a colored banner. The real reward is that you're actually enjoying your time here and your interaction with other members of the community. -Recon Number 54

It would be a disaster waiting to happen..

  • 11.27.2011 8:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
That's why I think the trust/title system should be changed.

1) Remove titles, implement privileges that become attainable at certain points of trust.

2) Allow users to see their trust rating so they can see how far along they are until they "unlock" the next privilege, and keep them focused on good behaviour to get to those unlocks.

Question is whether bungie will allow this, they may and they may accept it, although it may come with their next update.

  • 11.27.2011 8:19 PM PDT

Herp
Derp.


Posted by: dazarobbo
That's why I think the trust/title system should be changed.

1) Remove titles, implement privileges that become attainable at certain points of trust.

2) Allow users to see their trust rating so they can see how far along they are until they "unlock" the next privilege, and keep them focused on good behaviour to get to those unlocks.

This is something that I really like the sound of, although I really don't understand why you would want to remove titles. One of the things that I like about this forum is that there is a privilege, the title system, the only thing that I don't like about it is that I don't know how far I have progressed from one title to another. I want to see more titles or new privileges could get implemented as a way for the people who go on this forum.

  • 11.27.2011 8:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: dazarobbo
That's why I think the trust/title system should be changed.

1) Remove titles, implement privileges that become attainable at certain points of trust.

2) Allow users to see their trust rating so they can see how far along they are until they "unlock" the next privilege, and keep them focused on good behaviour to get to those unlocks.

Or just allow users to see their next unlock, make it more of a surprise.

  • 11.27.2011 8:28 PM PDT

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It could be a plus or minus on the right hand side of your title bar.
If they do not trust you, you get negative points, if they notice something, if they like you and something you did then you would get a plus point. Mainly mods see you do something they approve then they will add a plus point
While if they see you do something negative they give a minus point.
You start at zero.

This can also be done if a user thinks someone deserves a point. If they send a request that he is doing some good job then they will look over it and see if it is warranted or not.
Plus there should be a limit of recommendation one can give, and they do not needed to accepted.

[Edited on 11.27.2011 8:37 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2011 8:30 PM PDT

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Allow only mythic members to get custom avatars.

  • 11.27.2011 8:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Iggyhopper
Allow only mythic members to get custom avatars.

This i do not approve as some users are new and deserve it for being trustworthy.

It also give gloating power and some people can tend to use it show they are superior.

[Edited on 11.27.2011 8:35 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2011 8:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Xplode441
Or just allow users to see their next unlock, make it more of a surprise.
That could end up like the Halo 3 ranking situation - people got pissed off because they had no idea when they would rank up/down.

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Posted by: Iggyhopper
Allow only mythic members to get custom avatars.

This i do not approve as some users are new and deserve it for being trustworthy.

It also give gloating power and some people can tend to use it show they are superior.
Don't mythics already do that?

  • 11.27.2011 8:38 PM PDT

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But if one of the lower members have something some mythic memebers do not it takes away that power.

  • 11.27.2011 8:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: risay_117
It also give gloating power and some people can tend to use it show they are superior.
What's there to gloat about? Some 90x90 image on some website?

  • 11.27.2011 8:43 PM PDT

Posted by: Great_Pretender
Case and point: don't worry about it. Girls start getting boobies pretty soon, and then you'll have plenty of other things to think about. Being an Inheritor is not a life goal.
-TGP-

Posted by: dazarobbo
That could end up like the Halo 3 ranking situation - people got pissed off because they had no idea when they would rank up/down.

Add a stat tracker, or make a complex mathematical formula for them to figure it out. Nonetheless, I see your point. Would make for some interesting threads though.

  • 11.27.2011 8:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Xplode441
Posted by: dazarobbo
That could end up like the Halo 3 ranking situation - people got pissed off because they had no idea when they would rank up/down.

Add a stat tracker, or make a complex mathematical formula for them to figure it out. Nonetheless, I see your point. Would make for some interesting threads though.

Give some privileges they can see they can get and some that are secrets(not shown) and changes every now and again.

  • 11.27.2011 8:45 PM PDT