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But its definitelly a race we havent seen. Look at the design the language and even the color of the lights coming off the ship. Neon green... where have we seeen taht before?!??!?


Oh snap, it's the Necrons.

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Posted by: dilinator


But its definitelly a race we havent seen. Look at the design the language and even the color of the lights coming off the ship. Neon green... where have we seeen taht before?!??!?


Oh snap, it's the Necrons.


Dunno why, but I always imagined Precursor tech as having a green light, like how Forerunner tech has that sky blue.

Kinda like the Prothean Beacons.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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It isn't precursor

  • 11.28.2011 2:17 PM PDT

It's something featured in Halo 4.

Come on, it's abundantly obvious.

[Edited on 12.04.2011 4:42 PM PST]

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
It's the species featured in Halo 4.

Come on, it's abundantly obvious.


Um can you tell us how that is obvious?


Because if they had That level of technology only 40,000 years after the array 60,000 years later they are going to be insanely advanced.

  • 11.29.2011 6:13 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
It's the species featured in Halo 4.

Come on, it's abundantly obvious.


Um can you tell us how that is obvious?


Because if they had That level of technology only 40,000 years after the array 60,000 years later they are going to be insanely advanced.


I have to agree. If they had that tech that long ago, along with the coordinates (most likely) to one of the Halo Arrays, then they are going to be super advanced.

  • 11.29.2011 9:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: About 9 Grunts
My favorite theory is ancient human.

This could be it because, wouldn't 343 activate halo's defenses and not allow it to come onto halo unless it was human/forerunner?

I thought I remeber in one of the 1st terminals that he was going to send sentinals to attk the Pillar of Autumn, but saw they were reclaimers so allowed them..

  • 11.29.2011 11:24 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

We have very little solid info, but examining the screens that pop up assessing the ship, we know this:

RESPONSE CALCULATION

YIELD: 507

ATMOSPHERE: NORMALIZED TO 87%

STRUCTURE: FAILED (17 MAJOR)

MECHANICAL ORIGIN: UNKNOWN

INTERFACE SYSTEMS: UNKNOWN

NONSYNTHETIC LIFE: UNKNOWN

ENERGY OUTPUT: NULL


HYDROGEN OUTPUT: NULL

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE: UNKNOWN

TACTICAL RESPONSES: NULL

EMERGENT SYSTEMS: NULL

SYNTHETIC SYSTEMS: NULL

BACKFLOW SYSTEMS: NULL

EMERGENCY RESPONSES: NULL

ENTROPY: 769000 CYCLES (+/- 5000)

SENTIENT SYSTEM PROBABILITY: 99.883897%


And then, we get an interesting piece of speculation from Spark.
"I have detected atmospheric leaks in 17 distinct locations along the hull. My analysis shows that a mixture of gases coming from the ship matches the natural atmosphere of my Installation almost exactly. Perhaps the occupants, if they still live, were originally catalogued here! Perhaps these beings will confirm that the Plan was successful, and that the galaxy has returned to its proper cadence! I am beyond optimistic!"

Then, following the attempt to decode their transmission (which is odd, as Spark was immediately able to understand human/Covenant communications), he says:
"Given the short-range nature of this craft, it is likely that other vessels are nearby."

Here's a shot of the vessel.

[Edited on 11.29.2011 11:59 AM PST]

  • 11.29.2011 11:57 AM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
It's the species featured in Halo 4.

Come on, it's abundantly obvious.


Um can you tell us how that is obvious?


Because if they had That level of technology only 40,000 years after the array 60,000 years later they are going to be insanely advanced.


Evidence within the fiction itself is pointless to throw around when the fact is that the Terminals are meant to tie-in with Halo 4. If there's an alien spacecraft that we've never seen before, we're led to believe that it's something in Halo 4.

It's called logic and implications.

*leaves before you blatantly disagree*

[Edited on 11.29.2011 3:05 PM PST]

  • 11.29.2011 3:01 PM PDT


Posted by: ajw34307
We have very little solid info, but examining the screens that pop up assessing the ship, we know this:

RESPONSE CALCULATION

YIELD: 507

ATMOSPHERE: NORMALIZED TO 87%

STRUCTURE: FAILED (17 MAJOR)

MECHANICAL ORIGIN: UNKNOWN

INTERFACE SYSTEMS: UNKNOWN

NONSYNTHETIC LIFE: UNKNOWN

ENERGY OUTPUT: NULL


HYDROGEN OUTPUT: NULL

ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE: UNKNOWN

TACTICAL RESPONSES: NULL

EMERGENT SYSTEMS: NULL

SYNTHETIC SYSTEMS: NULL

BACKFLOW SYSTEMS: NULL

EMERGENCY RESPONSES: NULL

ENTROPY: 769000 CYCLES (+/- 5000)

SENTIENT SYSTEM PROBABILITY: 99.883897%


And then, we get an interesting piece of speculation from Spark.
"I have detected atmospheric leaks in 17 distinct locations along the hull. My analysis shows that a mixture of gases coming from the ship matches the natural atmosphere of my Installation almost exactly. Perhaps the occupants, if they still live, were originally catalogued here! Perhaps these beings will confirm that the Plan was successful, and that the galaxy has returned to its proper cadence! I am beyond optimistic!"

Then, following the attempt to decode their transmission (which is odd, as Spark was immediately able to understand human/Covenant communications), he says:
"Given the short-range nature of this craft, it is likely that other vessels are nearby."

Here's a shot of the vessel.


this is probably the best info on this matter that we have at the moment. It really makes you think about what the heck is going on.

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Posted by: Sigma617
There is some fleeting evidence, albeit small, of another (possibly multiple) different Tier 3 (minimum) species encountering the Halo installations.

The biggest example could be that of Installation 05. The Flood have been battling that installation's sentinels for centuries or even millennia. How else could the Flood have sufficient growth to combat the Installation's security forces?

Maybe a large colony ship crash-landed or an exploratory fleet landed there? The Flood couldn't have kept up a battle for centuries without any source of Fuel.

this could not be so, as the Halo's have been stated by GS in the terminals to have defense systems that would not allow for any foreign ship to land. The only reason why GS let this one land was because of his curiosity.
Bearing in mind that that's a retcon, I had a thought about Delta Halo. When riding the Gondola for the first time, Cortana remarks this.

But this is just my excitement of Halo lore getting carried away with itself. It's fan-speculation. Seeing connections where none are (and I say this because 343i is overlaying their own story on top of Bungie's) but I just enjoy the speculation. I'm sure that that was just a throwaway line intended to be like the one in AotCR when Cortana remarks about the snow.

  • 12.01.2011 2:46 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
It's the species featured in Halo 4.

Come on, it's abundantly obvious.


Um can you tell us how that is obvious?


Because if they had That level of technology only 40,000 years after the array 60,000 years later they are going to be insanely advanced.


Evidence within the fiction itself is pointless to throw around when the fact is that the Terminals are meant to tie-in with Halo 4. If there's an alien spacecraft that we've never seen before, we're led to believe that it's something in Halo 4.

It's called logic and implications.

*leaves before you blatantly disagree*


If you can't handle somebody not believing you are correct then why are you on a forum?


The ship has more in reference than CotU, as i said before 60,000 years in the future that race is probably on another plane.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
It's the species featured in Halo 4.

Come on, it's abundantly obvious.


Um can you tell us how that is obvious?


Because if they had That level of technology only 40,000 years after the array 60,000 years later they are going to be insanely advanced.


Evidence within the fiction itself is pointless to throw around when the fact is that the Terminals are meant to tie-in with Halo 4. If there's an alien spacecraft that we've never seen before, we're led to believe that it's something in Halo 4.

It's called logic and implications.

*leaves before you blatantly disagree*


If you can't handle somebody not believing you are correct then why are you on a forum?


The ship has more in reference than CotU, as i said before 60,000 years in the future that race is probably on another plane.


i have to agree with grey on this one, if that race was that advanced 40,000 years ago, than the level of sophistication they will be at now, will be beyond anything humanity has ever faced (covenant). They would probably be pushing tier 1 level technology.

What is interesting is that if this race was really catalouged by the forerunner before like 343 gs hinted, then that means that their rate of growth is phenomenal. From the looks of their (short range) ship, they reached tier 2-3 level in around 60,000 years. Whereas the entire covenant alliance needed 100,000 years with forerunner technology laying around everywhere to reach tier-2 (and they still suck). This new race, if still around in the galaxy would eat the covenant for breakfast.

However, this is where i also agree with blueRuby, what would be the point of having an entire ternimal dedicated to a race that would not have anything to do with halo 4, after all, when the game starts, MC has to be shooting at something withing the first ten minutes. Its difficult to gauge how master chief would fare against such an advanced civilization (and not so dificult to gauage how he would fare against the didact as in the 10th terminal, im sure we all know what would happen to MC).

But perhaps the state of humanity's technology with all this forerunner tech. incorported into their own(such as the Infinity) may play a huge role. Which is why i hope that 343 does not retcon those halo 3 believe ads (the 2610 date where MC is still MIA, and the UNSC is getting over the covenant war)If Halo 4 takes place after 2610, then maybe by then the UNSC will have become close to tier-1 level at least. Its a stretch to assume all this, but its the most interesting situation i can think of, i really want to be able to fight these new enemies.

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The galaxy is vast and I think that there have to be more species around.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue
It's the species featured in Halo 4.

Come on, it's abundantly obvious.[/quote]

Um can you tell us how that is obvious?


Because if they had That level of technology only 40,000 years after the array 60,000 years later they are going to be insanely advanced.[/quote]

Evidence within the fiction itself is pointless to throw around when the fact is that the Terminals are meant to tie-in with Halo 4. If there's an alien spacecraft that we've never seen before, we're led to believe that it's something in Halo 4.

It's called logic and implications.

*leaves before you blatantly disagree*[/quote]

If you can't handle somebody not believing you are correct then why are you on a forum?


The ship has more in reference than CotU, as i said before 60,000 years in the future that race is probably on another plane.


i have to agree with grey on this one, if that race was that advanced 40,000 years ago, than the level of sophistication they will be at now, will be beyond anything humanity has ever faced (covenant). They would probably be pushing tier 1 level technology.

What is interesting is that if this race was really catalouged by the forerunner before like 343 gs hinted, then that means that their rate of growth is phenomenal. From the looks of their (short range) ship, they reached tier 2-3 level in around 60,000 years. Whereas the entire covenant alliance needed 100,000 years with forerunner technology laying around everywhere to reach tier-2 (and they still suck). This new race, if still around in the galaxy would eat the covenant for breakfast.

However, this is where i also agree with blueRuby, what would be the point of having an entire ternimal dedicated to a race that would not have anything to do with halo 4, after all, when the game starts, MC has to be shooting at something withing the first ten minutes. Its difficult to gauge how master chief would fare against such an advanced civilization (and not so dificult to gauage how he would fare against the didact as in the 10th terminal, im sure we all know what would happen to MC).

But perhaps the state of humanity's technology with all this forerunner tech. incorported into their own(such as the Infinity) may play a huge role. Which is why i hope that 343 does not retcon those halo 3 believe ads (the 2610 date where MC is still MIA, and the UNSC is getting over the covenant war)If Halo 4 takes place after 2610, then maybe by then the UNSC will have become close to tier-1 level at least. Its a stretch to assume all this, but its the most interesting situation i can think of, i really want to be able to fight these new enemies.


Your under playing that ship. They would be tier 0 if they had another 60,000 years to advance at the rate they were going.
conversations of the universe has 343 stating that he has seen races touched down on 04 and leave. Which is why i am saying that this isn't anything too major if major at all.

As somebody said before this terminal was more about 343 and him following orders rather than making contact with other races.

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Posted by: grey101
There isn't enough info to even speculate in all honesty.

Life is randomly organized or you can say it is organized randomly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a ship crashing on halo. There could be thousands of lifeforms with ships around any given ring so it is expected if anything.


The ship crashing is fine, the occupants not having human curiosity to go poking their noses around is fine. If you think this is an issue i really want to see your mind wrapped around the sigma crystal.
This is basically what I was going to say.

It could just be a random alien species that crashed on Halo. There are definitely more than just Humanity and the Covenant in the galaxy, and on a long enough time scale it not only become likely but certain that a species would discover an installation.

However I do agree with some others that 343 probably wouldn't have included the ship without some purpose. However that purpose could merely have been to flesh out 343GS more and show why he interacted with the Covenant rather than just destroying them.

"Next time things will be different"

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However that purpose could merely have been to flesh out 343GS more and show why he interacted with the Covenant rather than just destroying them.

"Next time things will be different"


That is something i have been trying to explain.

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Posted by: grey101

Your under playing that ship. They would be tier 0 if they had another 60,000 years to advance at the rate they were going.
conversations of the universe has 343 stating that he has seen races touched down on 04 and leave. Which is why i am saying that this isn't anything too major if major at all.

As somebody said before this terminal was more about 343 and him following orders rather than making contact with other races.


Yea i was being a bit modest in my estimates, i firmly beleive such an advanced species would be tier-1 by now, but i doubt tier-0, the gap between tier-0 (precursor) and tier-1 (forerunner) is apparently much larger than the gap between tier-2 and tier-3. By the way, did 343 gs say that the species came onto the ring 60,000 years after the halos fired, or 40,000? I have been a bit confused about this, although i think it is 60,000 as 343gs stated right after the tombs construction that it had been 60,000 years since he last talked to the forerunner. So assuming they came 40,000 years ago. . .

The way precursor technology was described in cryptum: how they attained the ability to make "invincible" objects hundreds of millions of years ago(the objects found inside plates), and how the forerunner were almost clueless even in the present day (100,000 years ago), and especially how born described their technology as being beyond comprehension, all implies that the precursor, were millions of years beyond the foreunner.

Remember, the forerunner were tier 1 for a very long time, and yet they still showed no tell-tale signs of transitioning into tier-0.

And an advanced species like that would be a big deal, if they have reached the level of sophistication as the forerunner, the moniters would have definitely noticed and attempted to contact them. The species he had seen come and go were probably around tier-3, and did not really matter that much. However, a tier-1 would be a big deal, a true galactic power.

"Next Time things will be different" I admit, that comment does sound rather weird, they may or not be that big of a deal. I hope they are, that would be more interesting than reading about the elites' superiority complex.

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The date was 40,000 years after the array fired so give them another 60,000 years and they will be tier 0.


The forerunners only came into tier 1 about 25,000 years before the events of cryptum with the construction of the capital. They never reached their peak and were still advancing during the events of cryptum with the armor they use only being made 12,000 years beforehand.

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Posted by: ajw34307

And then, we get an interesting piece of speculation from Spark.
My analysis shows that a mixture of gases coming from the ship matches the natural atmosphere of my Installation almost exactly.


Well......my theory is ancient humans.

If that's one of the only solid pieces of evidence, there's a lot to go on.

Cortana mentions that Installation 04's atmosphere is nearly identical to Earth's (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Installation_04) (http://www.halopedian.com/Installation_04). So, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that if Halo's atmosphere is identical to Earth's, and the unknown ship's leaking atmosphere is idential to Installation 04's atmosphere...then the unknown ship could be of Ancient Humanity origin.

Plus, 343 stated that Halo 4 will feature an "ancient enemy". In Terminal 6, Guilty Spark says (regarding a cure for the Flood), "The Forerunners' ancient enemy held and used that information once.".

According to Halo lore, Ancient Humanity was the only one to find a "cure" for the Flood. AND Ancient Humanity was also engaged in a bitter war with the Forerunner.

Seems like some pretty substantial evidence to me.

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And then, we get an interesting piece of speculation from Spark.
My analysis shows that a mixture of gases coming from the ship matches the natural atmosphere of my Installation almost exactly.


Well......my theory is ancient humans.

If that's one of the only solid pieces of evidence, there's a lot to go on.

Cortana mentions that Installation 04's atmosphere is nearly identical to Earth's (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Installation_04) (http://www.halopedian.com/Installation_04). So, it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that if Halo's atmosphere is identical to Earth's, and the unknown ship's leaking atmosphere is identical to Installation 04's atmosphere...then the unknown ship could be of Ancient Humanity origin.

Plus, 343 stated that Halo 4 will feature an "ancient enemy". In Terminal 6, Guilty Spark says (regarding a cure for the Flood), "The Forerunners' ancient enemy held and used that information once.".

According to Halo lore, Ancient Humanity was the only one to find a "cure" for the Flood. AND Ancient Humanity was also engaged in a bitter war with the Forerunner.

Seems like some pretty substantial evidence to me.


1. How identical the atmosphere is doesn't matter seeing how every race we know of livings in an environment similar to Earth's.

2. Halo 4's "Ancient Evil" is a threat to the entire universe. Humans aren't evil nor are they a threat to the galaxy let alone a universe.

3. Guilty Spark would have recognized The language as human.

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Posted by: grey101
3. Guilty Spark would have recognized The language as human.

Not exactly. If it was as long as I think it was from last contact with them, the wouldn't their language me alot different.

I imagine that it would be like how mountain people talk. Its almost not english, and it wasn't even been 500 years.

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Posted by: grey101
3. Guilty Spark would have recognized The language as human.

Not exactly. If it was as long as I think it was from last contact with them, the wouldn't their language me alot different.

I imagine that it would be like how mountain people talk. Its almost not english, and it wasn't even been 500 years.


The language didn't seem different in cryptum from what we currently used. Even if he didn't get the language he would have noticed the hull composition and several other things.

The human idea has far too many holes in it.


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Posted by: grey101

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Posted by: grey101
3. Guilty Spark would have recognized The language as human.

Not exactly. If it was as long as I think it was from last contact with them, the wouldn't their language me alot different.

I imagine that it would be like how mountain people talk. Its almost not english, and it wasn't even been 500 years.


The language didn't seem different in cryptum from what we currently used. Even if he didn't get the language he would have noticed the hull composition and several other things.

The human idea has far too many holes in it.

Thats like suggesting that the ships of a small anchient kayak are the same as Aircraft carriers of today.

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