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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

I felt like i should bring this here.


Posted by: The Hired Gun
I have undeniable proof of this.

In Halo 2, you can see that the Elites are able to activate moving scaffoldings. It is common knowledge that only humans can activate Forerunner structures.

This obviously means that Elites are ancient humans, due to the fact that Game Canon > Book Canon.

Mind = Blown



So you are seriously saying that the Elites made that ship then? We already ruled that out since they are in the covenant by that point and do not have technology like that.

You are a fool.

  • 12.03.2011 9:19 AM PDT

Don't mess with grey101. He will bring the wrath of God down on your head with his massive knowledge haha.

  • 12.03.2011 10:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: FISHYburned
Don't mess with grey101. He will bring the wrath of God down on your head with his massive knowledge haha.


Though i like the compliment knowledge isn't even relevant at all with this. It is all just common sense.

343 says the enemy in halo 4 is Ancient,Evil,new, and a threat to the universe. Ancient humanity isn't new,evil nor a threat to the universe let alone a galaxy. That Rules humanity out, yet for some reason people want to keep pressing that idea despite the fact it has no backing.

I already disproved that further with my other post. The main difference with me is that i know the flaws in my own theories and usually state them. When i don't state them is because i don't feel like hand feeding the half assness that is now common in this forum. The whole "Didact is alive" being a perfect example for such.

  • 12.03.2011 10:28 AM PDT

Even if Didact is alive, he could be evil but not ancient. Before he vanished he wasn't a bad person I believe. So no Didact (not as enemy) in Halo 4. Unless someone else has a good theory to say he the enemy in Halo 4 I'll stick with this. And if you think the elites are ancient humans you're just dumb.

[Edited on 12.03.2011 10:50 AM PST]

  • 12.03.2011 10:48 AM PDT

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Do you not understand that Didact is dead, Ancient Humanity is not ancient evil, Forerunners are not evil as well.

We do not know, only we can is speculate. We will know more when new trailer of Halo 4 comes out on December 6th or 10th. I suspect that Ancient Evil is Precursor (Timeless One with full power of Flood during Forerunner era).

Anyway, that ship is new alien, not Covenant because Covenant was founded in 856 BC, about 39,144 years before Covenant ever was founded.

There you go.

[Edited on 12.03.2011 11:23 AM PST]

  • 12.03.2011 11:16 AM PDT

It's probably just something new we haven't seen before.

  • 12.03.2011 1:01 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Why are you spouting about halo 4 anyway? You have hardly played the halo games you have and everytime we ask for your "real account" you deflect it.


*facefryingpan* Let me spell it out for so that you stop spewing this malarkey.


This account, I have Reach completed. The other account, I have ODST and Halo 3 completed. The other account was banned due to credit card mishaps.

And stop telling me how I'm wrong because I haven't read the novels. I have a good enough overview of them for what I'm saying to actually have validity. If you didn't know I hadn't read them, you would actually respond to the words that are written in my posts.

Again, WHAT ELSE and WHAT THE HELL would the point of 343i crashing an unknown spacecraft be if it wasn't going to tie-in with Halo 4.

To say that it's just some random spacecraft that has no significance is BAD STORYTELLING. A good story is not one with unresolved fragments, so don't even try to tell me some kind of crap reason like that.

You're plainly IGNORING the implications that are being thrown at you, and it makes you look like a complete moron.
Why?
Oh yeah, because I haven't read the damn novels, even though I DON'T NEED TO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ARGUMENT. Do you ever see me posting in a thread about something in Cryptum? No.



[Edited on 12.03.2011 1:19 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2011 1:15 PM PDT


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Posted by: FISHYburned
Don't mess with grey101. He will bring the wrath of God down on your head with his massive knowledge haha.


Though i like the compliment knowledge isn't even relevant at all with this. It is all just common sense.


NO. You pay no attention to common sense in this quarrel.
"Oh, it's just some insignificant spacecraft that will not be explained" is NOT common sense.

Common sense is paying attention to the fact that the Terminals are supposed to connect with Halo 4, seeing the foreign, never before seen spacecraft, then naturally drawing the conclusion that it's something IN Halo 4.

It's like you're disagreeing with me just because I haven't dissected the books, even though it is not in any way necessary for what we're talking about.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101
Why are you spouting about halo 4 anyway? You have hardly played the halo games you have and everytime we ask for your "real account" you deflect it.


*facefryingpan* Let me spell it out for so that you stop spewing this malarkey.


This account, I have Reach completed. The other account, I have ODST and Halo 3 completed. The other account was banned due to credit card mishaps.

And stop telling me how I'm wrong because I haven't read the novels. I have a good enough overview of them for what I'm saying to actually have validity. If you didn't know I hadn't read them, you would actually respond to the words that are written in posts.

Again, WHAT ELSE and WHAT THE HELL would the point of 343i crashing an unknown spacecraft be if it wasn't going to tie-in with Halo 4.

To say that it's just some random spacecraft that has no significance is BAD STORYTELLING. A good story is not one with unresolved fragments, so don't even try to tell me some kind of crap reason like that.

You're plainly IGNORING the implications that are being thrown at you, and it makes you look like a complete moron.
Why?
Oh yeah, because I haven't read the damn novels, even though I DON'T NEED TO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ARGUMENT. Do you ever see me posting in a thread about something in Cryptum? No.



Link to accounts or they don't exist.

Um you cannot have an "overview" of the books because there are somethings you just have to read in order to understand and figure out. Reading halopedia does not put you on the same level as those that have actually read the material. And I always Respond but you normally

A)Start using circular logic

B)Say how the Games>Books since that is the only source you can go by.

C) Say my reason isn't good enough

D) Get off topic

E) Start posting pictures

I see you jumped straight to "C" today.I Answered with spartan's Post; Surely since you write novels and what not you should be able to understand that. The point of the terminal was to Shed light on 343, That race would be far too advanced to be involved in halo 4.

How am i "Plainly ignoring" When i am answering and giving logical responses? Am i "ignoring" how the "Covenant" is going to be in halo 4? I have yet to see any evidence support That claim.

How can you write novels but not read them? Not to mention your temper tantrums are soooo 6 months ago, i thought we got past that? You need to read the books and get more support other than "This must be the game because it is new though everything is new to me because i don't know the lore".

  • 12.03.2011 1:31 PM PDT

Quit -blam!- stalking me you weirdo.


Posted by: grey101
I felt like i should bring this here.


Posted by: The Hired Gun
I have undeniable proof of this.

In Halo 2, you can see that the Elites are able to activate moving scaffoldings. It is common knowledge that only humans can activate Forerunner structures.

This obviously means that Elites are ancient humans, due to the fact that Game Canon > Book Canon.

Mind = Blown



So you are seriously saying that the Elites made that ship then? We already ruled that out since they are in the covenant by that point and do not have technology like that.

You are a troll.

Its the trolling game.

  • 12.03.2011 8:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: FISHYburned
Don't mess with grey101. He will bring the wrath of God down on your head with his massive knowledge haha.


Though i like the compliment knowledge isn't even relevant at all with this. It is all just common sense.


NO. You pay no attention to common sense in this quarrel.
"Oh, it's just some insignificant spacecraft that will not be explained" is NOT common sense.

Common sense is paying attention to the fact that the Terminals are supposed to connect with Halo 4, seeing the foreign, never before seen spacecraft, then naturally drawing the conclusion that it's something IN Halo 4.

It's like you're disagreeing with me just because I haven't dissected the books, even though it is not in any way necessary for what we're talking about.



So by your logic everything new must be fleshed out and explained?


1. The Sigma crystal didn't a full explanation.

2. The new flood forms in halowars were never explained.

3. Where Medicant Bias sent some of his ships was never explained.

4. The deal with the spartan numbers was never explained.

5. Halsey seeing high charity before the war was never explained.

6. How ONI got to High Charity before Red Flag was never explained.

7. The whereabouts of Soren Were never explained.



Dozens of members on this forum and i have a list of things that were never explained since they were introduced, this ship will be no different if it isn't explained.

So every terminal has something to do with halo 4? What does the keyes terminals have to do with halo 4? The PoA terminal? What about the second terminal?

All of the terminals are about 343 there are only a few drops that are or could be related to halo 4. And as i have said a race that advance would surpass the precursors with another 60,000 years to grow.


The sharquio Were brought up nearly 10 years ago and haven't been brought up ever since. The same could be done for this ship and it wouldn't matter whatsoever.

  • 12.04.2011 1:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
Why are you spouting about halo 4 anyway? You have hardly played the halo games you have and everytime we ask for your "real account" you deflect it.


*facefryingpan* Let me spell it out for so that you stop spewing this malarkey.


This account, I have Reach completed. The other account, I have ODST and Halo 3 completed. The other account was banned due to credit card mishaps.

And stop telling me how I'm wrong because I haven't read the novels. I have a good enough overview of them for what I'm saying to actually have validity. If you didn't know I hadn't read them, you would actually respond to the words that are written in my posts.

Again, WHAT ELSE and WHAT THE HELL would the point of 343i crashing an unknown spacecraft be if it wasn't going to tie-in with Halo 4.

To say that it's just some random spacecraft that has no significance is BAD STORYTELLING. A good story is not one with unresolved fragments, so don't even try to tell me some kind of crap reason like that.

You're plainly IGNORING the implications that are being thrown at you, and it makes you look like a complete moron.
Why?
Oh yeah, because I haven't read the damn novels, even though I DON'T NEED TO FOR THIS PARTICULAR ARGUMENT. Do you ever see me posting in a thread about something in Cryptum? No.



Ohoho, I declare Ad Hominem on you because you resorted to name calling. So it makes your arguments invalid now. *Bolded statments you made.*

Also, you need Halo novels to back up your arguments as well. So man it up and read the novels.

Yeah, having UNSC and Covenant in Halo 4 is also bad story telling too.

[Edited on 12.04.2011 2:22 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2011 2:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Grey team was never resolved nor was Black Team and you still haven't linked those accounts ruby. You also haven't explained how you write novels and whatnot yet do not have the time to read the halo books.

  • 12.04.2011 2:27 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
Grey team was never resolved nor was Black Team and you still haven't linked those accounts ruby. You also haven't explained how you write novels and whatnot yet do not have the time to read the halo books.


Probably because they're -blam!-. I only read them because of the canonical value.

  • 12.04.2011 2:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

opinion, but that is the main reason they are read.

  • 12.04.2011 2:36 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101
opinion, but that is the main reason they are read.


So what are you harping on about at that person, then?

  • 12.04.2011 2:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
opinion, but that is the main reason they are read.


So what are you harping on about at that person, then?


Because Ruby claims to know exactly what Halo 4 and beyond needs to be consistent with halo overall, and what is good for canon.

Yet has never touched the books and has been okay with certain ones/bits being tossed out the window.

  • 12.04.2011 2:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
opinion, but that is the main reason they are read.


So what are you harping on about at that person, then?


If you read the thread you can see why.

  • 12.04.2011 2:47 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
opinion, but that is the main reason they are read.


So what are you harping on about at that person, then?


If you read the thread you can see why.


All I see is the person saying it'd be bad storytelling to introduce something completely out of the blue (and they're right;) I can't see any mention of them writing 'novels.'

Maybe I'm just not seeing it. Quote it.

  • 12.04.2011 2:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: GhostLink2401
I hate how the ship looks just like a Reaper from Mass Effect. I see it, and can't think of anything else.

But, it may be a Precursor ship. I doubt 343 would introduce this plot point for no reason.

I'll second that.

  • 12.04.2011 3:02 PM PDT


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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101
opinion, but that is the main reason they are read.


So what are you harping on about at that person, then?


Because Ruby claims to know exactly what Halo 4 and beyond needs to be consistent with halo overall,


Oh, sorry, I guess you don't understand the meaning of the words "logical assumption" and "game development".

and what is good for canon.

Not really. I stay out of that when I feel I don't have enough background on the Halo lore, something which you seem to be getting confused with.

Yet has never touched the books and has been okay with certain ones/bits being tossed out the window.

PLEASE explain to me how a 100% background of the novels is mandatory for what we're talking about right now.

Because that information is completely useless when outside implications and information is given to us.

HOW is it NOT logical to assume that some random spacecraft we've never seen before is going to appear in the next game, which the Terminals themselves are MEANT to connect to?

WHY do I NEED extensive background information on the novels to say this?

Stop using that bogus excuse, because it's getting old.

Besides, you never see me engaging in intricate conversation about the Timeless One or whatever, so what is your problem? I obviously stay out of conversations which I have no valid information to give.

Why do you think I'm in this thread? Because I know that what I'm saying makes sense. However, you keep lashing out at me with the completely irrelevant fact that I don't read the novels; something that has NOTHING TO DO with what I'm explaining.

  • 12.04.2011 4:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Elder Bias
Yeah, having UNSC and Covenant in Halo 4 is also bad story telling too.


The Covenant would be, but the UNSC is sort of necessary in order for the game to have enough relevance to the past trilogy.

Besides, UNSC Infinity is in Halo 4 already, so don't blame me for your Halo 4 hissy-fit.

  • 12.04.2011 4:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: Elder Bias
Yeah, having UNSC and Covenant in Halo 4 is also bad story telling too.


The Covenant would be, but the UNSC is sort of necessary in order for the game to have enough relevance to the past trilogy.

Besides, UNSC Infinity is in Halo 4 already, so don't blame me for your Halo 4 hissy-fit.


Sadly for you, Frankie said no purple. It means no covenant there.

Also, do you realize that some Halo concept art usually gets cut? For instance, UNSC Infinity art was probably showcase for Glassland's reveal of UNSC Infinity.

In other words, you have no evidence to support that claim, bub. You'd need to prove more that UNSC are in Halo 4. Use Novels to back it up. Also, UNSC Infinity is maintained by ONI, so UNSC knows nothing about it. Therefore, there is no UNSC involved in the Halo 4.

Therefore, your argument is completely null and void. Good day to you sir.

*EDIT* Oh yes I forget one more thing to tell you.

UNSC arent needed for new trilogy because Frankie said that you dont need to know previous trilogy to learn about new trilogy.

[Edited on 12.04.2011 6:25 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2011 6:06 PM PDT


Posted by: Ruby of the Blue

Posted by: Elder Bias
Yeah, having UNSC and Covenant in Halo 4 is also bad story telling too.


The Covenant would be, but the UNSC is sort of necessary in order for the game to have enough relevance to the past trilogy.

Besides, UNSC Infinity is in Halo 4 already, so don't blame me for your Halo 4 hissy-fit.


Master Chief is in there. The new trilogy is about Master Chief.

I fail to see how the UNSC are "Absolutely required."

Oh, you must've missed the fact the UNSC Infinity, is entirely staffed by ONI, and the UNSC doesn't even know it is there.

And it might show up in the ending freaking cutscene for all we know.

Edit: As fun as it is, ruby you are just going to disappoint yourself with clinging to claims that ALL of this stuff WILL BE IN HALO 4, NO MATTER WHAT.

[Edited on 12.04.2011 6:15 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2011 6:08 PM PDT

Haters are going to hate.
Praisers are going to praise.

The Bungie Forums are what keeps my mind sharp and my fingers active, between writing my own movie scripts, drawing, and studying industrial design. At the moment I'm working on miniatures for a short movie that I'll hopefully be able to film once I've saved up for a camera... That's me, with the mug, trying to have a conversation with Konoko.

Yeah, this doesn't make any sense to me either.. And from reading the posts here, even the most hardcore don't seem to be able to wrap their heads around it. I haven't found a theory that I'm ready to defend, at least.

So I'm going to be the cynic again... Cause I'm not sure logic applies anymore. Can we be sure that any of these new introductions remain consistant to previous Halo lore? What happens if, when Halo 4 is released, 343's reimagenated the entire thing? Like Reach was a reimagination of The Fall of Reach? On top of that, everything told -from a storytelling standpoint- is completely out of character, just listen to 343, way too talkative... And why is he even near that thing, isn't he afraid of being captured, I though put some wight on that, shound't he send a sentinel or something???

/cynic

theory

Some dismiss the theory of it being human cause of 343 not being able to identify the symbols. However, 343 didn't say that he didn't understand the symbols, he said that he had a "limited data set". So it could just as well be human symbols. I don't know, have we seen any before?

If it is, how -the hell- did it end up there? I assume it's sometime between the Forerunner-Flood war and the begining of the Covenant(?).

Also, I always try to emphasize how important it is to try and see things from a storytelling perspective. Everything that is mentioned should be taken into concideration. The bare fact that 343 says something about blocking the signal, makes it important, and just cause he mentions it, it's fairly likely that there in fact are other ships. Why else mention that in the monolouge? It's not that there aren't other logic things to comment on; ramndom realistic things surrounding the consequence of having an unidentified ship crash of the installation...

Anyway, my guess is that we'll have to wait until Primodium -since the ship looks like the one on its cover- for some light to be shed on all of this; don't think we're meant to figure out anything from what we have. It's all part of a grand plan to keep Halo mysterious and exiting..

  • 12.05.2011 12:35 AM PDT