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3. Guilty Spark would have recognized The language as human.

Not exactly. If it was as long as I think it was from last contact with them, the wouldn't their language me alot different.

I imagine that it would be like how mountain people talk. Its almost not english, and it wasn't even been 500 years.


The language didn't seem different in cryptum from what we currently used. Even if he didn't get the language he would have noticed the hull composition and several other things.

The human idea has far too many holes in it.

Thats like suggesting that the ships of a small anchient kayak are the same as Aircraft carriers of today.


How about you write a long elaborate post explaining what you are talking about, so i can just point out everything wrong with it instead of playing ring around the rosie?

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3. Guilty Spark would have recognized The language as human.

Not exactly. If it was as long as I think it was from last contact with them, the wouldn't their language me alot different.

I imagine that it would be like how mountain people talk. Its almost not english, and it wasn't even been 500 years.


The language didn't seem different in cryptum from what we currently used. Even if he didn't get the language he would have noticed the hull composition and several other things.

The human idea has far too many holes in it.

Thats like suggesting that the ships of a small anchient kayak are the same as Aircraft carriers of today.


How about you write a long elaborate post explaining what you are talking about, so i can just point out everything wrong with it instead of playing ring around the rosie?

Anchient humanity DOES make complete since. If the war was bad, wouldn't some have been very far out, and unreachable, only to crash land on I04?

  • 12.02.2011 9:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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It makes no sense seeing how they were wiped out in a sense. and if they were human they would have poked their noses around the ring since they wouldn't know exactly what it was for.

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Posted by: grey101
It makes no sense seeing how they were wiped out in a sense. and if they were human they would have poked their noses around the ring since they wouldn't know exactly what it was for.

But the knew it was Fore Runner, and they were foes. We don't have too much insight, but I am pretty sure not all humans were attack happy on the fore runners after (if) all humanity was knocked back into the stone age, or killed.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: grey101
It makes no sense seeing how they were wiped out in a sense. and if they were human they would have poked their noses around the ring since they wouldn't know exactly what it was for.

But the knew it was Fore Runner, and they were foes. We don't have too much insight, but I am pretty sure not all humans were attack happy on the fore runners after (if) all humanity was knocked back into the stone age, or killed.

Forerunners.

You don't have much insight yet you are pushing that this idea is correct? So they would rather sit inside that ship in die rather than just get out and live? What ever was inside isn't human because they didn't act human.

  • 12.02.2011 9:36 AM PDT

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The ship wasn't fit for atmosphere, and the crater was too big. They DID NOT survive impact.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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The ship wasn't fit for atmosphere, and the crater was too big. They DID NOT survive impact.


Source for nothing surviving? i am sure it was implied that they just didn't come out.

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The ship wasn't fit for atmosphere, and the crater was too big. They DID NOT survive impact.


Source for nothing surviving? i am sure it was implied that they just didn't come out.

Logic.

The ship is blocky, and unfit for atmosphere. Them not coming out shows that they died. The distress signal was obviously on loop, while the people were dead.

Who knows, they could have been carrying something to give to the Forerunners, like the cure to the Flood. That is a stretch though, but it would explian what they were doing there.

  • 12.02.2011 9:53 AM PDT

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I have to go to my next class. We chall continue later.

  • 12.02.2011 10:00 AM PDT

As it could POSSIBLY be ancient humans, I have to agree with grey on this one. There's far to many problems with the Ancient Human Theory for it to be credible in my eyes.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: The Hired Gun
The ship wasn't fit for atmosphere, and the crater was too big. They DID NOT survive impact.


Source for nothing surviving? i am sure it was implied that they just didn't come out.

Logic.

The ship is blocky, and unfit for atmosphere. Them not coming out shows that they died. The distress signal was obviously on loop, while the people were dead.

Who knows, they could have been carrying something to give to the Forerunners, like the cure to the Flood. That is a stretch though, but it would explian what they were doing there.

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Posted by: The Hired Gun
The ship wasn't fit for atmosphere, and the crater was too big. They DID NOT survive impact.


Source for nothing surviving? i am sure it was implied that they just didn't come out.

Logic.

The ship is blocky, and unfit for atmosphere. Them not coming out shows that they died. The distress signal was obviously on loop, while the people were dead.

Who knows, they could have been carrying something to give to the Forerunners, like the cure to the Flood. That is a stretch though, but it would explian what they were doing there.


Your logic is highly moronic.

A race that advance would surly have some sort of antigravity plating or something of the like. The Covenant and UNSC have such and they are on a lower technological tier. If this single ship is an actual representation of the races technology and not some Technology demonstrator like The UNSC Infinity Then the race was on Par with the Forerunners in terms of technology; meaning they would have had something simple as antigravity plating.

The Ship was failing before it even got into atmosphere which is another dent in your "logical" assumption. Them not coming out shows they didn't want to come out.

So let me get this straight. Some how Ancient man survived the activation of halo and was heading to installation 04 to give the forerunners (which they would know the fate of) the cure to the flood 40,000 years later?


This is the dumbest thing i have heard today. and i just got done commenting on how Linda has always been canon.

  • 12.02.2011 10:23 AM PDT

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A rebuttal:

1. "Ancient Enemy". Don't you find it a bit odd that 343 stated there will be an "ancient enemy" in Halo 4, and also stated that the Halo Anniversary terminals would tie into the new books as well as Halo 4....and here we have, in terminals 5 & 6, direct links and specific quoting of an "ancient enemy"?

2. Atmosphere. I think it's more than just coincidence that Guilty spark states that the atmosphere emanating from the ship is IDENTICAL to the environment of Installation 04. I'm sure the Covenant and UNSC had worlds with SIMILAR atmospheres to Earth...but nothing has been stated as clearly as "identical."

3. Survival. Who said that some Ancient Humans didn't escape being devolved by the Forerunner? I find it completely plausible that a handful escaped. And, if they could escape the Forerunner wrath, then they can probably escape the firing of the Halo array.

Let's create an analogy. Put yourself on a desert island (~2 miles in diameter) tasked with eradicating an ant population on that share the island with you. Even though you're larger, more technologically sophisticated, and more intelligent, do you think you could honestly possibly succeed in removing them all...or do you think that a few could survive? If you'd like, take modern day viruses and bacteria that cause countless human deaths each year, and the attempts (and failures) of humanity to eradicate those diseases.

4. Crash landing. Even if an advanced ship (as the supposed crashed ship in terminal 5 is speculated to be) had anti-gravity plating, autopilot, or some other sophisticated technology. I think it's entirely plausible that the ship was damaged prior to impacting Installation 04 and that the previous damage prevented the ship from landing safely. Even the Forerunner, with their Tier 1 technology, could be hurt, damaged, and killed.

The same can be said for the Precursor with Tier 0 technology. According to Halo lore, even transcendent beings with the capability to create and change the evolution of other life were annihilated.

5. Language. The unknown ship landed on Installation 04 tens of thousands of years after the firing of the Halo array. IF this ship indeed belonged to Ancient Humans, wouldn't you think that their language evolved to a point where Guilty Spark couldn't recognize it.

I mean, just look at how the progression of Cuneiform or Egyptian hieroglyphics has evolved into today's language....or even texting. And that's just over a few thousand years...imagine what language will be like in a few tens of thousands of years.

  • 12.02.2011 11:52 AM PDT

It's the prestige that makes the illusion.

General Grievious owned the ship

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  • 12.02.2011 11:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: grey101

Anchient humanity is totally logical, its your logic that is failing.

You find it impossible to believe that anything (The logic you used would be anything) was able to land there, but it did. That means that they obviously had some sort of tech to get there. 343gs also mentions the possibility of another ship nearby, so it leads me to believe this is landing wasn't executed to par, because 343gs says it. So while they may have blah blah blah, they simply chose to not use it, or were unable to use it.

  • 12.02.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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However that purpose could merely have been to flesh out 343GS more and show why he interacted with the Covenant rather than just destroying them.

"Next time things will be different"


That is something i have been trying to explain.
It's been difficult to explain things logically lately in this forum. That's why I just lurk instead of posting nowadays, used to be my favorite forum.

  • 12.02.2011 1:46 PM PDT


Posted by: xxVIPERMANxx
A rebuttal:

1. "Ancient Enemy". Don't you find it a bit odd that 343 stated there will be an "ancient enemy" in Halo 4, and also stated that the Halo Anniversary terminals would tie into the new books as well as Halo 4....and here we have, in terminals 5 & 6, direct links and specific quoting of an "ancient enemy"?


This.

WHAT ELSE and WHAT THE HELL would the point of 343i crashing an unknown spacecraft be if it wasn't going to tie-in with Halo 4.

There's not much else in the Terminals that can connect to Halo 4 that are actually SIGNIFICANT and INTERESTING enough that are worth putting into the Terminals and paying attention to.

  • 12.02.2011 3:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: DeBleserMike
General Grievious owned the ship


There, everything solved.

  • 12.02.2011 8:41 PM PDT

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Better than Tebow.


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It's obviously the Derelict from Alien. Except this time it's cargo is tribbles.

  • 12.02.2011 8:57 PM PDT

no. nonono

Do we have a rough idea of the date of this event?

  • 12.02.2011 10:03 PM PDT

Why are you here?

Posted by: xxVIPERMANxx

This.

If it would happen, would it be amazing or what to see humans rediscover themselves after all those years?

  • 12.02.2011 10:38 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

The ship looks similar to the images we got for Halo 4. Some of the ships that were seen flying away? Im not positive on this. Im guessing it to be some surviving forerunners.

Or perhaps it was just a ship that had been 40000 years away from the Halo installation when the array was fired, killing all on board. By chance it landed on the ring? Who knows.

  • 12.03.2011 3:52 AM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553


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Posted by: xxVIPERMANxx

This.

If it would happen, would it be amazing or what to see humans rediscover themselves after all those years?


Im going with his theory.

  • 12.03.2011 3:55 AM PDT

The way I see it, introducing the element of an ancient humanity would be pointless in terms of narrative unless it has current relevance; whether this culminates in a resurgence in the conflict with the Forerunners, discovering their legacy and unlocking their potential once more or even being the only ones who can find the cure to the Flood, it's going to come into play in some shape or form.

  • 12.03.2011 4:56 AM PDT


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The way I see it, introducing the element of an ancient humanity would be pointless in terms of narrative unless it has current relevance; whether this culminates in a resurgence in the conflict with the Forerunners, discovering their legacy and unlocking their potential once more or even being the only ones who can find the cure to the Flood, it's going to come into play in some shape or form.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

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Posted by: xxVIPERMANxx
A rebuttal:


1. Ancient humans aren't evil nor are they a threat to the universe thus that idea is instantly shot down. I find it funny how people leave out key parts of information when trying to support their idea's.

2.If you do more research you will see that all the covenant worlds are identical to Earth other than Balaho and possibly palamok. If they weren't so identical than the client races of the covenant wouldn't be able to breathe the same Air as us.
The wording doesn't matter whatsoever seeing how the halo rings in general are probably based off the forerunners atmosphere (which we breathe no problem). Not to mention the original rings ferried billions of lifeforms to the ark and probably had the exact same geography and atmospheric makeup.

The point is this doesn't matter whatsoever. The Ark has "similar" or "identical" atmosphere to Earth yet we know it wasn't made for humans nor was the environment changed for humans.



3. That would be Extremely hard,unwise,and has no supporting evidence for it.

It would be hard to establish a completely new reign elsewhere when your current regime is being attacked on two fronts and you do not have the resources to even fight effectively. The only reason they lost to the forerunners is because they were fighting the flood.

It would be unwise to further divert your efforts when you are already splitting resources in half.

This has no supporting information on it because the AIs in the Datapads make it clear they were created by humanity and that they are to ensure this current version of humanity lives. No point to work so hard if there were a whole other empire elsewhere.

" How have our creators, and thus we, their artificial creations, evolved to this present state without encountering a hostile civilization capable of our annihilation?

...... only the incalculable immensity of space has protected our creators ....

Our kind is wholly reliant on the creators for our existence. If they perish so shall we."


"Traditionally our creators have been reluctant to take outsiders' advice; nation to nation, culture to culture. Their history is littered with empires, crumbling for want of simple openness to so-called 'foreign beliefs and innovations.
The question is: can this Assembly still function as adequate stewards to our creator's latest empire and remain aloof?
"


".....and not those which have allowed our creators to persevere for 200,000 years.
This is not about the universal adoption of a single ideology not about the Minority vs. the Majority. It is about ensuring the survival of the human species for the next 200,000 years.
".

So i pretty much killed the idea with that but i will keep going.

4. obviously the ship was damaged before it landed hence the crash landing. Do you all really lack that much common sense? Give me a source for that other than the sketchy line at the end of cryptum.


5. But there would still be key roots just like there is in the books and with "real life".

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Posted by: grey101

Anchient humanity is totally logical, its your logic that is failing.

You find it impossible to believe that anything (The logic you used would be anything) was able to land there, but it did. That means that they obviously had some sort of tech to get there. 343gs also mentions the possibility of another ship nearby, so it leads me to believe this is landing wasn't executed to par, because 343gs says it. So while they may have blah blah blah, they simply chose to not use it, or were unable to use it.



What the hell? If you even bothered to read the other pages i clearly said that it would be expected for races to land on the rings, i even used CotU as a reference for that. So you have no idea what you are talking about. No duh "they had tech to get there" that is the entire point of this.

Other ships are near by because the ship probably got shot down and crashed or something of the like.


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Spartan1065
However that purpose could merely have been to flesh out 343GS more and show why he interacted with the Covenant rather than just destroying them.

"Next time things will be different"


That is something i have been trying to explain.
It's been difficult to explain things logically lately in this forum. That's why I just lurk instead of posting nowadays, used to be my favorite forum.


Trust me i understand and will probably pm you about something later.


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Posted by: xxVIPERMANxx


This.

WHAT ELSE and WHAT THE HELL would the point of 343i crashing an unknown spacecraft be if it wasn't going to tie-in with Halo 4.

There's not much else in the Terminals that can connect to Halo 4 that are actually SIGNIFICANT and INTERESTING enough that are worth putting into the Terminals and paying attention to.



Posted by: Spartan1065

However I do agree with some others that 343 probably wouldn't have included the ship without some purpose. However that purpose could merely have been to flesh out 343GS more and show why he interacted with the Covenant rather than just destroying them.

"Next time things will be different"



This could be the entire point of the terminal i don't understand how a galaxy is suppose to have a few hundred advanced lifeforms (if not thousands) and every single one has to have some huge important story.

The only thing in the terminals i found as a reference to halo 4 was Abject testament since he is the overseer of installation 03; the installation halsey is sent to have asylum in Glasslands. But since you don't read the books and think the games are the main source of canon (which 343 says games=book canon now) i wouldn't expect you to know that.

Why are you spouting about halo 4 anyway? You have hardly played the halo games you have and everytime we ask for your "real account" you deflect it.


How do you even know about Ancient humanity ruby? You haven't read cryptum so I don't understand how you are supporting something you yourself have no knowledge of. Are you a politician by any chance???



  • 12.03.2011 9:15 AM PDT