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Subject: May I give a suggestion to the moderators? Or whoever makes the rules

Who the hell do you think I am?

Ok so I am pretty sure most of us know about those carpet bans, where the OP and almost everyone that replied to the thread gets banned. Well I've seen some people who would never get banned at all get banned from those, and that is because I think some people aren't aware of these carpet bans. I mean I really don't like spam threads, and I don't think people should reply to them in the first place, but they do anyway. So since that is the situation, I think the rules should be edited to address this, so that more people are aware of these carpet bans and maybe not so many people will comment in blatant spam threads.

[Edited on 11.28.2011 1:01 PM PST]

  • 11.28.2011 1:00 PM PDT

People should know not to reply to spam.

  • 11.28.2011 1:02 PM PDT
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Sometimes people get caught in it when they aren't necessarily replying to spam, but the thread they replied in was the fourth or fifth of its kind.
Posted by: talon2000
People should know not to reply to spam.

  • 11.28.2011 1:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: talon2000
People should know not to reply to spam.

This. Besides, carpet bans are only used with ninja discretion. Making the community aware of them isn't really going to help cut down the rule breaking.

  • 11.28.2011 1:06 PM PDT


Posted by: talon2000
People should know not to reply to spam.


This is a completely unreasonable expectation.

People are going to reply to spam. I could post links and articles explaining the psychology behind it, but I don't think they would do any good. But all carpet banning threads does is deter new members from posting and give the spammers a victory.

Yes, posting in spam threads brings them up to the top. But a simple lock and banning the spammer is all that is needed to stop that.

  • 11.28.2011 1:10 PM PDT
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It is pretty ridiculous when they're applied so haphazardly for such a minor thing.

  • 11.28.2011 1:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: PantsJerky
Sometimes people get caught in it when they aren't necessarily replying to spam, but the thread they replied in was the fourth or fifth of its kind.
Posted by: talon2000
People should know not to reply to spam.
This.

I got caught in a carpet ban before for replying to a parody thread which seemed legit to me. I had only just come on line and it wasn't obvious to me that there were several threads like this.

  • 11.28.2011 1:12 PM PDT

ITT: Mythics / Legendaries / people trying to look cool claim new Members should know rules that are nowhere to be found. Climb off your high horses.

OP, I agree. It's not fair to new Members. There is no way they could know that it's against the rules to reply to spam. That's not in text anywhere on the site. It's unfair to claim "they should know".
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Posted by: talon2000
People should know not to reply to spam.

This. Besides, carpet bans are only used with ninja discretion. Making the community aware of them isn't really going to help cut down the rule breaking.

  • 11.28.2011 1:12 PM PDT
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You couldn't post in any of the other 15+ topics that have been recently made on this?

It only happens in rare cases when an obvious spam/troll topic is made; not to mention that it (the most recent carpet ban) had 3+ pages in a few seconds.

Any one of those who replied should of known it was obvious trolling/spam and that it wasn't worth posting in. Only the first 3 or so posters could have the excuse of posting "This is against the rules" (although it'd be really foolish of them to consider the OP doesn't know), if not for the first posts being complete spam themselves.

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  • 11.28.2011 1:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
ITT: Mythics / Legendaries / people trying to look cool claim new Members should know rules that are nowhere to be found. Climb off your high horses.
ITT: generalizations from people who are bad at making generalizations.

I can see how finding those rules could be a draining mental exercise; they certainly aren't prominently displayed at the top of the forum bar and sticked at the top of every forum. I seem to misplace them more than my car keys these days!

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Why do they need to explicitly state that carpet bans exist? It says that replying to spam is against the rules, so they don't need to further elaborate how they might ban everyone in a thread for replying to spam.

  • 11.28.2011 1:23 PM PDT

Ouch.
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>Implying replying to spam is mentioned anywhere at all.
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I can see how finding those rules could be a draining mental exercise; they certainly aren't prominently displayed at the top of the forum bar and sticked at the top of every forum. I seem to misplace them more than my car keys these days!

  • 11.28.2011 1:25 PM PDT

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How about we only ban the OP instead? I mean, it would stop the spammers and no one else would get banned for it.

Simple solution to a complex problem.

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Posted by: snipe champpppp
How about we only ban the OP instead? I mean, it would stop the spammers and no one else would get banned for it.

Simple solution to a complex problem.


People need to learn.

You should NEVER reply to an OBVIOUS spam thread.

  • 11.28.2011 1:29 PM PDT

It would appear I misread the OP; I thought he was referring to the fact that replying to spam is not explicitly stated as a rule violation.

Nah, OP, it's not really their responsibility to tell them the Mods might carpet ban. I still don't think it's fair though, simply because there is the possibility of someone not knowing that it's against the rules to post in a spam thread.

  • 11.28.2011 1:30 PM PDT

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Exactly. There's no "carpet ban" button, and your PM from the DS won't say, "Congrats! You're part of a carpet ban!"

A ban is a ban. If some replied to a thread that blatantly did not merit replies, and a mod finds out, discipline is going to get dished out. Same goes for everyone who did the same thing.

I don't see the big deal, here. "Carpet bans" are NOT blindly dealt out, as some people imply. But if you feel that your ban was legitimately uncalled for, then take it up with their superiors. Things have been overturned, and the worst that will happen is that you get a "no" in reply.

I await your cynical, smart-alack replies, that will likely take a jab at my blue bar or history. Heeeeere we go!
Posted by: Alec9224
Why do they need to explicitly state that carpet bans exist? It says that replying to spam is against the rules, so they don't need to further elaborate how they might ban everyone in a thread for replying to spam.


[Edited on 11.28.2011 1:39 PM PST]

  • 11.28.2011 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: snipe champpppp
How about we only ban the OP instead? I mean, it would stop the spammers and no one else would get banned for it.

Simple solution to a complex problem.


People need to learn.

You should NEVER reply to an OBVIOUS spam thread.

That's not as easy as it sounds as there is never a clear line drawn on what is spam and what isn't as shown by the rules.

So even if it seems obvious, it might not be because there are no guidelines about spam in the rules to distinguish the difference between real spam and an actual thread.

See, it's easy to say "Don't reply to spam", but when you get down to it, it is easier said then done.

  • 11.28.2011 1:34 PM PDT
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If you reply to spam, you get banned. People just need to get over it and stop whining, imo.

  • 11.28.2011 1:37 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: cortana 5
Exactly. There's no "carpet ban" button, and your PM from the DS won't say, "Congrats! You're part of a carpet ban!"

A ban is a ban. If some replied to a thread that blatantly did not merit replies, and a mod finds out, discipline is going to get dished out. Same goes for everyone who did the same thing.

I don't see the big deal, here. "Carpet bans" are blindly dealt out, as some people imply. But if you feel that your ban was legitimately uncalled for, then take it up with their superiors. Things have been overturned, and the worst that will happen is that you get a "no" in reply.

I await your cynical, smart-alack replies, that will likely take a jab at my blue bar or history. Heeeeere we go!
Posted by: Alec9224
Why do they need to explicitly state that carpet bans exist? It says that replying to spam is against the rules, so they don't need to further elaborate how they might ban everyone in a thread for replying to spam.


I know people who have gotten carpet banned had their bans shortened to like 24 hours or immediately removed. This is becuase they didn't troll, spam, and replied in a mature and on topic manner but where caught in the spam storm.

  • 11.28.2011 1:38 PM PDT

Posted by: ctjl96
ITT: Mythics / Legendaries / people trying to look cool claim new Members should know rules that are nowhere to be found. Climb off your high horses.

OP, I agree. It's not fair to new Members. There is no way they could know that it's against the rules to reply to spam. That's not in text anywhere on the site. It's unfair to claim "they should know".
That's not what I was trying to do, at all... It's a universal rule on most forums on the internet not to reply to spam. I'm not saying that I agree with carpet bans (mind you, it's not like they happen all the time, they're pretty rare) but they seem to be effective. Bans/warnings are a good way to teach newer members lessons on rules. I think me being banned was the best thing that happened to me in terms of my B.net career.

  • 11.28.2011 1:38 PM PDT

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There should be forum-wide carpet bans.

  • 11.28.2011 1:38 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: snipe champpppp

Posted by: spartain ken 15

Posted by: snipe champpppp
How about we only ban the OP instead? I mean, it would stop the spammers and no one else would get banned for it.

Simple solution to a complex problem.


People need to learn.

You should NEVER reply to an OBVIOUS spam thread.

That's not as easy as it sounds as there is never a clear line drawn on what is spam and what isn't as shown by the rules.

So even if it seems obvious, it might not be because there are no guidelines about spam in the rules to distinguish the difference between real spam and an actual thread.

See, it's easy to say "Don't reply to spam", but when you get down to it, it is easier said then done.


Carpet bans are rare but the mods only use them for threads that break serious rules and are obvious to users to avoid and report.

  • 11.28.2011 1:39 PM PDT
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I was online at the time and I just looked at the title of the topic and knew what to do. I decided then and there to report and move on. If you where online and seen all of the posts and the original post, I'm sure you would of done the same.

There was not a single post you could write that'll follow the rules in the thread, because of it's subject. The closest thing you could get to following the rules is posting "this is against the rules!" and that only bumps the thread and adds to the spam of it.
Posted by: snipe champpppp
That's not as easy as it sounds as there is never a clear line drawn on what is spam and what isn't as shown by the rules.

So even if it seems obvious, it might not be because there are no guidelines about spam in the rules to distinguish the difference between real spam and an actual thread.

See, it's easy to say "Don't reply to spam", but when you get down to it, it is easier said then done.


[Edited on 11.28.2011 1:40 PM PST]

  • 11.28.2011 1:39 PM PDT

Many of the new Members on this site are new to forums in general, brought in by the Halo crowd or something similar. It's honestly just rather unfair to assume they should know the basics (even if they should).
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Posted by: ctjl96
ITT: Mythics / Legendaries / people trying to look cool claim new Members should know rules that are nowhere to be found. Climb off your high horses.

OP, I agree. It's not fair to new Members. There is no way they could know that it's against the rules to reply to spam. That's not in text anywhere on the site. It's unfair to claim "they should know".
That's not what I was trying to do, at all... It's a universal rule on most forums on the internet not to reply to spam. I'm not saying that I agree with carpet bans (mind you, it's not like they happen all the time, they're pretty rare) but they seem to be effective. Bans/warnings are a good way to teach newer members lessons on rules. I think me being banned was the best thing that happened to me in terms of my B.net career.

  • 11.28.2011 1:40 PM PDT

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