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Subject: May I give a suggestion to the moderators? Or whoever makes the rules
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Posted by: ctjl96
OP, I agree. It's not fair to new Members. There is no way they could know that it's against the rules to reply to spam. That's not in text anywhere on the site. It's unfair to claim "they should know".

Huh, what's this?
3. Play nice, don't be a jerk.
- "Spam" is prohibited. (What counts as spam?)

Seems clear to me that those are texts found on the site, and in clear view in every forum as well as being the first link under the community dropdown (which should be read by all members, regardless if new or not). Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse to be banned, period.

  • 11.28.2011 1:42 PM PDT
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They should at least have the consciousness to know that there's something wrong with a topic with the subject of male genitalia and a original post with similar vulgarity.
Posted by: ctjl96
Many of the new Members on this site are new to forums in general, brought in by the Halo crowd or something similar. It's honestly just rather unfair to assume they should know the basics (even if they should).

  • 11.28.2011 1:44 PM PDT

*facepalm*
That's spam altogether, not replying to spam.
Posted by: Kretos
Huh, what's this?
3. Play nice, don't be a jerk.
- "Spam" is prohibited. (What counts as spam?)

Seems clear to me that those are texts found on the site, and in clear view in every forum as well as being the first link under the community dropdown (which should be read by all members, regardless if new or not). Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse to be banned, period.

  • 11.28.2011 1:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Izak609
I was online at the time and I just looked at the title of the topic and knew what to do. I decided then and there to report and move on. If you where online and seen all of the posts and the original post, I'm sure you would of done the same.

There was not a single post you could write that'll follow the rules in the thread, because of it's subject. The closest thing you could get to following the rules is posting "this is against the rules!" and that only bumps the thread and adds to the spam of it.
Posted by: snipe champpppp
That's not as easy as it sounds as there is never a clear line drawn on what is spam and what isn't as shown by the rules.

So even if it seems obvious, it might not be because there are no guidelines about spam in the rules to distinguish the difference between real spam and an actual thread.

See, it's easy to say "Don't reply to spam", but when you get down to it, it is easier said then done.

This is an extremely rare case because almost everything has some sort of discussional value, no matter how little. Even if is a thread that says "I had toast for breakfast this morning" and that is all there is in the OP, saying "Cool story bro" would add to the discussion.


As far as I'm concerned, the only way a thread would be spam is if it had nonsense in the OP.

Such as "jwsiojiwecv" as the title and "iwfeiifuw" as the body. Even then, I still don't believe people should be mass banned. Especially since the mods were the ones who allowed it to get so big in the first place.

  • 11.28.2011 1:44 PM PDT

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I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: ctjl96
Implying replying to spam is mentioned anywhere at all.
Posted by: dibbs089
I can see how finding those rules could be a draining mental exercise; they certainly aren't prominently displayed at the top of the forum bar and sticked at the top of every forum. I seem to misplace them more than my car keys these days!
The rules aren't a laundry list of cans and cannots and contrary to popular belief you can actually be punished for being ignorant/not exercising critical thought.

A spam post is necessarily an off-topic post. Replying to that post then not only makes your post off topic- When creating new threads, please be sure to post in the correct forum. Do not post off-topic in any forum or thread. but also bumps a rule-breaking thread to the top of the forum topics.

Anyone who needs their hand held through these mental gymnastics has yet to develop the capacity to think, which you can actually be punished for.

  • 11.28.2011 1:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: cortana 5
A ban is a ban. If some replied to a thread that blatantly did not merit replies, and a mod finds out, discipline is going to get dished out. Same goes for everyone who did the same thing.
The problem with this is it is not a moderator's job to determine what merits replies. Many would like it to be, but it's a role they don't have. You should know this.

There'd be nothing wrong with such bans if they were done consistently, or if they were done with a similar frequency as they are now, but for genuinely disruptive threads rather than for the usual inanity we usually see them applied to. At the moment whether it happens rather seems to come down to whether the moderator can be bothered.

  • 11.28.2011 1:47 PM PDT

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Assuming that carpet bans are only used in the worst cases (such as the thread where the OP was a picture of genetalia) and that the banning ninja actually reads all of the posts before banning them (in case there is someone who really seems like they didn't realize it was just spam) then carpet bans should be used. They deal with spammers and show that bumping spam will still get you in trouble.

  • 11.28.2011 1:47 PM PDT

Well, yes, but if they try to say something like "report and move on" and get caught up in a carpet ban, that's unfair.
Posted by: Izak609
They should at least have the consciousness to know that there's something wrong with a topic with the subject of male genitalia and a original post with similar vulgarity.
Posted by: ctjl96
Many of the new Members on this site are new to forums in general, brought in by the Halo crowd or something similar. It's honestly just rather unfair to assume they should know the basics (even if they should).

Actually, I suppose it could be seen in the "use common sense" rule, but definitely not in anything else that has been brought up thus far.

  • 11.28.2011 1:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: dibbs089
but also bumps a rule-breaking thread to the top of the forum topics.
Stop the -blam!- presses something being bumped to the top of a bungie.net forum? Well this really warrants extreme action. It's going to be there, visible, blocking a genuine topic from appearing on the front page for a whole 9 minutes!

  • 11.28.2011 1:48 PM PDT

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Everyone that I've banned for "replying to spam" has either been warned or banned for it before. If they have no ban/warning for it, then I warn them. Seems pretty fair to me. "Carpet bans" happen because people don't learn the first (or second, or third, or, wait for it fourth) time.

[Edited on 11.28.2011 1:52 PM PST]

  • 11.28.2011 1:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: ctjl96
*facepalm*
That's spam altogether, not replying to spam.
Posted by: Kretos
Huh, what's this?
3. Play nice, don't be a jerk.
- "Spam" is prohibited. (What counts as spam?)

Seems clear to me that those are texts found on the site, and in clear view in every forum as well as being the first link under the community dropdown (which should be read by all members, regardless if new or not). Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse to be banned, period.

A spam reply to a spam thread is spam. Look at the HFCS guide that is linked in the rules.

  • 11.28.2011 1:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: ctjl96
Well, yes, but if they try to say something like "report and move on" and get caught up in a carpet ban, that's unfair.

Anyone who says "report and move on" in a spam thread deserves at least a warning for hypocrisy.

  • 11.28.2011 1:51 PM PDT
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If you're convincing me that adding any comment to the topic is discussing the topic, then I even further reiterate that there is nothing you could of posted that's following the rules, because anything you'd post in the topic will be on the subject of blam (not in a health class way either).
Posted by: snipe champpppp
This is an extremely rare case because almost everything has some sort of discussional value, no matter how little. Even if is a thread that says "I had toast for breakfast this morning" and that is all there is in the OP, saying "Cool story bro" would add to the discussion.


As far as I'm concerned, the only way a thread would be spam is if it had nonsense in the OP.

Such as "jwsiojiwecv" as the title and "iwfeiifuw" as the body. Even then, I still don't believe people should be mass banned. Especially since the mods were the ones who allowed it to get so big in the first place.

  • 11.28.2011 1:51 PM PDT

*sigh*

Your views are fallacious and disappointing to read. I withdraw from this argument with you, simply because your statements have grown arrogant to the point where they can hardly be regarded as valid points.
Posted by: dibbs089
The rules aren't a laundry list of cans and cannots and contrary to popular belief you can actually be punished for being ignorant/not exercising critical thought.

A spam post is necessarily an off-topic post. Replying to that post then not only makes your post off topic- When creating new threads, please be sure to post in the correct forum. Do not post off-topic in any forum or thread. but also bumps a rule-breaking thread to the top of the forum topics.

Anyone who needs their hand held through these mental gymnastics has yet to develop the capacity to think, which you can actually be punished for.

  • 11.28.2011 1:52 PM PDT

I've read it several times. Please post the excerpt that you feel expresses this. Thank you.
Posted by: Kretos
Posted by: ctjl96
*facepalm*
That's spam altogether, not replying to spam.
Posted by: Kretos
Huh, what's this?
3. Play nice, don't be a jerk.
- "Spam" is prohibited. (What counts as spam?)

Seems clear to me that those are texts found on the site, and in clear view in every forum as well as being the first link under the community dropdown (which should be read by all members, regardless if new or not). Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse to be banned, period.

A spam reply to a spam thread is spam. Look at the HFCS guide that is linked in the rules.

Well, I agree that it is hypocritical, but you can't warn someone for being hypocritical.
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Posted by: ctjl96
Well, yes, but if they try to say something like "report and move on" and get caught up in a carpet ban, that's unfair.

Anyone who says "report and move on" in a spam thread deserves at least a warning for hypocrisy.

  • 11.28.2011 1:53 PM PDT

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Why not a warning to new members and then the second or third time, they are going to be part of the carpet ban.

Carpet ban will happen but only older members shall be banned the newer ones will get 1 warning after 2 warnings they are going to get banned whether their account is just new or not, or whether their excuse is valid or not.

  • 11.28.2011 1:54 PM PDT

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Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten

Also remember that carpet bans are rare. Becuase if a mod bans one person for replying to spam, he or she has to ban everyone in that thread for spam. That takes a while I would imagine, there isn't any "ban all the people" button from what the mods have said.

But carpet bans are more of a last resort if most of the thread breaks many rules.

  • 11.28.2011 1:54 PM PDT
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Yes. It would be unfair (because of their good intentions); but if you could read the first page of posts, you'd know that no one was considering this and you should know that saying it won't catch anyone's eye at pages 2-3.
Posted by: ctjl96
Well, yes, but if they try to say something like "report and move on" and get caught up in a carpet ban, that's unfair.

  • 11.28.2011 1:55 PM PDT

But it is crucial you see this from the point of view of a user who is unaware that it is against the rules to reply to spam.
Posted by: Izak609
Yes. It would be unfair (because of their good intentions); but if you could read the first page of posts, you'd know that no one was considering this and you should know that saying it won't catch anyone's eye at pages 2-3.
Posted by: ctjl96
Well, yes, but if they try to say something like "report and move on" and get caught up in a carpet ban, that's unfair.

  • 11.28.2011 1:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: Izak609
They should at least have the consciousness to know that there's something wrong with a topic with the subject of male genitalia and a original post with similar vulgarity.
Posted by: ctjl96
But it is crucial you see this from the point of view of a user who is unaware that it is against the rules to reply to spam.

  • 11.28.2011 2:00 PM PDT
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Give us some clear examples where a carpet ban was misused.





Also, a 3 day ban is a great way to tell someone that they're being a twat by constantly posting 'reported', 'report and move on', or 'wow this is spam'.


By posting ANYTHING, you're effectively bumping a spam thread to the top of the list, giving it that much more life and that much more chance of being replied to once more.

[Edited on 11.28.2011 2:06 PM PST]

  • 11.28.2011 2:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: spartain ken 15
Also remember that carpet bans are rare. Becuase if a mod bans one person for replying to spam, he or she has to ban everyone in that thread for spam. That takes a while I would imagine, there isn't any "ban all the people" button from what the mods have said.

But carpet bans are more of a last resort if most of the thread breaks many rules.


Incorrect, at least when it comes to my methods. If someone has a prior warning/ban for replying to spam, then yes, they will get banned; however, if they do not have any prior bans/warnings for it, then they will get a warning.

The rules back this up as well:
Ban lengths are not necessarily identical for users who commit the same offense, context and the user involved matter. Nobody cares about your forum title.

  • 11.28.2011 2:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: True Underdog
Everyone that I've banned for "replying to spam" has either been warned or banned for it before. If they have no ban/warning for it, then I warn them. Seems pretty fair to me. "Carpet bans" happen because people don't learn the first (or second, or third, or, wait for it fourth) time.

This
Does no one listen to True Underdog at all.

[Edited on 11.28.2011 2:05 PM PST]

  • 11.28.2011 2:04 PM PDT

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Quinntology.

Why is this an issue in the first place? Replying to spam is against the rules because when you reply to spam, you are spamming yourself. In addition, if a carpet ban is issued, it is the replier's fault that he/she did not read the entire thread to know what was going on.

Besides, they're rare anyway. Shouldn't be making such a fuss about it.

  • 11.28.2011 2:04 PM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


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Posted by: spartain ken 15
Also remember that carpet bans are rare. Becuase if a mod bans one person for replying to spam, he or she has to ban everyone in that thread for spam. That takes a while I would imagine, there isn't any "ban all the people" button from what the mods have said.

But carpet bans are more of a last resort if most of the thread breaks many rules.


Incorrect, at least when it comes to my methods. If someone has a prior warning/ban for replying to spam, then yes, they will get banned; however, if they do not have any prior bans/warnings for it, then they will get a warning.

The rules back this up as well:
Ban lengths are not necessarily identical for users who commit the same offense, context and the user involved matter. Nobody cares about your forum title.



That is fair, I also hope time of the offence committed is a factor in issuing your judgement. But everyone posting in a spam thread that gets carpet banned WILL probably get punished in some way.

  • 11.28.2011 2:07 PM PDT

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