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Subject: Do you think Bungie is an overrated game developer?
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Posted by: Arsenal ATX
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  • 11.30.2011 11:01 AM PDT

I do agree that their most recent games haven't been up to par, but they've got a pretty good track record.

  • 11.30.2011 11:02 AM PDT

Do whales think in English?

Why are you being nosey? Are you a perv or something?

Only thing I really like bungie for is there support of games after release.

[Edited on 11.30.2011 11:10 AM PST]

  • 11.30.2011 11:04 AM PDT

yas334229812

ODST is not overrated it was a really good game that could have more added to it, most likely the cost was due to microsoft, plus microsoft were a douch to them, never letting them do what they want to do. Always trying to get them to milk the franchise.

Reach was a spawn of this hatred, and may have been a last insult to microsoft, although they could have made it better, plus bungie needed to move on they could not stay there forever, which is why they had started working on their new ip from halo 2.

Plus halo 2 would have been alot more awesome if microsoft would not have rushed them.

The reason no one can name a game out of Halo is because they are games of the time where people never cared about games, they were considered stupid, it was halo that made games a household entertainment source.

just wait for what they will bring in the future plus few to none other developer has not done anything greater than one game.

  • 11.30.2011 11:08 AM PDT

You are going to get some biased replies, you are in Bungie's community forum after all.

Personally I don't think that they are overrated. Microsoft set the price of ODST plus you were getting every map for Halo 3, and I think the Campaign was the second best in the series. Firefight was also a great addition to the series.

As for Reach, pretty much everything that you said is down to opinion. The campaign was quite good (but did clash with The Fall of Reach novel), multiplayer is still awesome (although armour abilities can get annoying), and there are some good maps. That is my opinion on the game.

  • 11.30.2011 11:09 AM PDT

yas334229812

To tell you the truth Reach had to short of a campaign and it was this reason why it was horrible. Multiplayer the only problem was Armour abilities.

  • 11.30.2011 11:12 AM PDT

1) Plenty of people were banned. Every game has its cheaters. Not every game developer writes code to try to mitigate their effect.
2) Blame M$
3) Even if you felt it was a failure, it was a commercial success.

  • 11.30.2011 11:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

Yes seeing how the halo series might have done good from a sales perspective but quality wise Halo CE was best.

Despite that halo CE was still rushed, halo 2 could easily be the best game in the series since a massive amount of content didn't get in yet it is on par with halo 2. Halo 3 suffered from a change of development and was also rushed. And Reach was rushed also,wow.


So the entire halo series was rushed and didn't reach full it's cup. I understand that there will always be content that won't make it in but bungie has a game load when it comes to halo.

  • 11.30.2011 11:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pigeon Punter
Only thing I really like bungie for is there support of games after release.


^This

  • 11.30.2011 11:27 AM PDT

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People are still complaining about Reach? Wow.

  • 11.30.2011 11:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: Confederateghad
I believe, without a doubt, that a majority of you will vote no but w/e.

In my opinion Bungie is the most overrated game developer. The only thing they've done that's good is Halo. ODST and Reach we're huge failures IMO. They used to be one of the best game developers that listened to their fans and community but for the last several years it has been quite the opposite. Things they've done to piss of their fanbase;

1st - Bungie wouldn't address how easy it was to cheat in H3, and wouldn't even ban players that were reported to them.

2nd - They released ODST at the full game price of $60 when it should have been $40. The campaign was average at best, pretty boring, and still too linear. Sure, it had new gameplay in the form of firefight, but it failed to have its own matchmaking system. The maps were the best in the game, but it didn't justifying ODST being sold for $60.

3rd - Reach was a huge failure. Bad campaign, terrible multiplayer, and easily the worst maps in a Halo game yet. The only thing they got right was firefight, theater, and Reach's amazing netcoding.

Basically no one outside these forums can name any of their work outside of Halo and the last good game they released was Halo 3. Ever since its release they've been falling downhill at a steep rate. Please keep this discussion civil and note that what I've posted are my opinions.

Do you think they're overrated?


First off, Bungie would have never been picked up by Microsoft if they weren't good at what they do, so the whole "The only thing they've done that's good is Halo" argument is void.

Microsoft, a money hungry squelching machine, would have never turned its nose toward Bungie if they weren't good at their job.


1: This seems out of context. I'm not familiar with how easy it is to cheat in Halo 3. Maybe it's because Bungie didn't alert the community of how easy it is to cheat.

2: Complaining about the price of ODST is totally reasonable, BUT Bungie doesn't control the price of the games they make... therefor, you're barking at the wrong tree.

3: A huge failure? No.
Reach wasn't a home-run, no doubt about it, but it most certainly was not a huge failure.

Suggesting that Reach was a huge failure says to me that you're spoiled as a gamer, and you expect perfect games. Sounds to me like you've never looked in the bargain bin at Gamestop or played a game that wasn't still at full price two months after its release.

Go play Earth Defence Force 2017. That game is a huge failure.


It's no surprise that most gamers today couldn't name any other games produced by Bungie. It's no surprise because Halo has been around for over a decade now. The people who grew up playing Minotaur and Pathways into Darkness are all in their 30's and up with new interests, hobbies, and real world things to devote their time to instead of debating which video game producer is top dog. People who you see around here and on Xbox live are mostly in their early teens to mid 20's.

Most of us did not grow up when Bungies other games were in their prime, so we didn't play them, and we don't have any memory of them.


NOW... is Bungie overrated? Maybe it seems like it here, but outside of B.net, I don't think so. Now'days everybody is talking about Modern Warfare 3 and Skyrim.

  • 11.30.2011 11:34 AM PDT

I don't believe so, no, despite some of the mistakes they've made with Reach. I suppose we'll see who's right when Destiny comes out, they have a completely blank slate to work with, so there's no excuse for failure :)

  • 11.30.2011 11:35 AM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And quite honestly, it would be silly to expect everyone to look upon Bungie with such great fondness. The truth is, everyone's opinion on whether or not they are "overrated" is subjective. But when looking at the facts, the numbers show for themselves... The fan base continually grew with each game iteration. Obviously they were doing something right.

Your first argument is, well for lack of a better word, stupid. Bungie banned thousands of cheaters, dare I even guess tens of thousands. How effective the reporting system was, I do not know... But legitimate cheaters seemed as though they were systematically banned without mercy.

ODST is your own opinion. I think besides Halo CE it was one of my more favorite campaigns to play... So I was happy dishing out $60.00 for something I valued.

Reach was not really a failure. It sold millions, and while several people were not so happy with the changes made to certain aspects of the gameplay, the sales and the fanbase still held strong to show that while it maybe wasn't what people were hoping for, it was still an incredible game. At least I thought so. My favorite? Not really, but still incredible.

So, overrated? No. Will people argue that? Yes. No one can conclude in absolute in truth whether or not they are overrated or not, just remember, your displeasures with them are in most, your opinion. On paper, and to many, they are a successful and community driven game developer for whom many people hold in a high regard.

  • 11.30.2011 11:35 AM PDT

yas334229812

1-There were many cheaters caught plus there are alot of people who would get through, plus did you see the number of complaints.
2-Microsoft is to blame, who else is placing the price.
3-Commercial Succes based of the success of Halo 3. ODST was good only problem was its price, reach only changed the formula a little to much from the former games.

  • 11.30.2011 11:43 AM PDT

@Helveck

Just an Average Joe...


Posted by: Confederateghad
Posted by: TuffJuice
1) Plenty of people were banned. Every game has its cheaters. Not every game developer writes code to try to mitigate their effect.
2) Blame M$
3) Even if you felt it was a failure, it was a commercial success.

First off, I already stated what I said were opinions.

1 - Plenty of people? No duh, but not nearly enough were and many people that reported cheaters were totally ignored.
2 - I don't think M$ was to blame.
3 - Commercial success =/= a good game. It was just riding off the success of Halo 3 and people only bought it because they thought it would be good.


People who are reported are not necessarily cheaters. Do you know how many people I've heard over the years accuse good players of "cheating"?

Microsoft set the prices bub.

And people will argue CoD is bad, and it's chimerical success draws no correlation by being a good game. But that is a tad ridiculous to state. Isn't it? If everyone likes it, isn't it safe to say that it's probably doing something right?

I'm not sure if you're looking for a fight, or if you're just flat out blinded by your disliking for what Bungie might have done to you in the past... But whatever it is, get over it.

[Edited on 11.30.2011 11:44 AM PST]

  • 11.30.2011 11:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: Confederateghad
1st - Bungie wouldn't address how easy it was to cheat in H3, and wouldn't even ban players that were reported to them.

They did address how easy it was to cheat in Halo 3 by fixing the problem when they came out with Reach.

2nd - They released ODST at the full game price of $60 when it should have been $40. The campaign was average at best, pretty boring, and still too linear. Sure, it had new gameplay in the form of firefight, but it failed to have its own matchmaking system. The maps were the best in the game, but it didn't justifying ODST being sold for $60.
The price was the publisher's (Microsoft's) decision, not Bungie's. As far as you not liking ODST, that is your opinion and you are welcome to it. Personally I loved ODST.
3rd - Reach was a huge failure. Bad campaign, terrible multiplayer, and easily the worst maps in a Halo game yet. The only thing they got right was firefight, theater, and Reach's amazing netcoding.
I have to agree with you in that I didn't love the campaign this time around (Exodus was still an amazing level). Again, your opinion is your own. You have to give Bungie credit for trying new things and mixing up their game formula.

  • 11.30.2011 11:44 AM PDT

yas334229812

Checked his profile and OP looks like a troll.

  • 11.30.2011 11:46 AM PDT

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No I don't, I think Bungie has proven to be great game developers. They really try to make a good connection with their fans and they can handle feedback.

  • 11.30.2011 11:49 AM PDT

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Just about everything you said was opinion based, not fact based. PLUS, the Marathon series was good too.

  • 11.30.2011 11:52 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: killfr3ak
Just about everything you said was opinion based, not fact based. PLUS, the Marathon series was good too.


I agree, Marathon was a great FPS shooter. I don't really consider any Bungie game a "failure" or "bad". Becuase I don't buy games I feel are bad or won't have a high replay value.

  • 11.30.2011 11:54 AM PDT
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:)

I got mixed up and I thought I was in the Universe forum so I reported the OP. Sorry.

On topic: Everybody's a critic. Bungie has made games that I've played constantly for years. Regardless of certain aspects of Reach that I don't like so much, I could easily play it for another year - which is more than I could say about the other games I own which get stale after a few play-throughs.

  • 11.30.2011 11:56 AM PDT

In a time long past, the armies of the dark came again to the lands of men. Their leaders became known as the fallen lords, and their terrible sorcery was without equal in the west.
In 30 years they reduced the civilized nations into carrion and ash. Until the free city of Madrigal alone defined them. An army gathered there, and a desperate battle was joined against the fallen
Heros were born in the fire and bloodshed of the wars which followed and their names and deeds will never be forgotten


Posted by: Confederateghad
Posted by: risay_117
Checked his profile and OP looks like a troll.

How so? I've been a regular member of this site for years.

You're bad at spotting trolls if you think I'm one.


Your coup is this, LOL

Anyway I like Bungie's philosophy for making games, "We make games we want to play". Bungie is not like other game devs who will make their games similar to other popular games to try and appeal to a larger casual audience.

As for your opinions, I thought ODST had one of the most compelling short stories in Halo, playing as an ODST was a great connection point between Halo s and Halo 3.

Reach was a great Halo game. I do like Halo 3 a little better in some respects but in no way is Reach a failure.

Bungie has made many great and unique games from the RTS Myth series to halo series that put Bungie on the map; and Bungie will continue to make many new games and I am excited to see what is next.

  • 11.30.2011 12:04 PM PDT