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  • Subject: Do you think Bungie is an overrated game developer?

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Not at all. Considering the dollars spent to hours played, Bungie and Bethesda have never failed to deliver a massive return on investment for me. I don't see Reach as a massive failure at all. I still enjoy playing many playlists, and have to shrug some of the shortcomings off because of the awkward transitions of ownership of the Halo franchise and studio itself. Bungie did not have free say over Reach's release and maintenance like they did in previous titles. Same can be said about the ODST price point. But, it's still been good enough that I still play it.

As a developer, Bungie has brought completely new things to console shooters, and do things better than any other developer there is. The most obvious stand out is stats. Arguably one the biggest and most competitive PC game in the world right now is Starcraft. Your Starcraft service record doesn't hold a candle to what Bungie has, and stats for other shooters are light years behind Bungie.

How many 3D shooters on the xbox can you think of that have a functional map editor? How many that had one before Halo 3 came along? How many have full theater functionality? Heck, their content sharing and delivery system is better that that of PC devs who encourage community modding of games. All this stuff is much easier on a PC where you have ample storage, no limit on install size, and much higher system requirements, and most PC devs don't even do the stuff Bungie does on a console.

I'm sorry if your epeen shrunk a little bit in Reach, but Bungie's games are still very far ahead of what most (and in some respects, all) other major studios are doing with console shooters. Over-rated? Not at all.

  • 11.30.2011 12:16 PM PDT

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Get off the forums you hoser.

But yes, if the OP is indeed honest about his opinions, and still struggles to find validity in the many rebuttals already given... I'm sure it's a lost cause, and he will continue to argue on, aimlessly and pointlessly.

  • 11.30.2011 12:19 PM PDT
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I think they are underrated.

  • 11.30.2011 12:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helveck

Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi


Get off the forums you hoser.


Watch it der, buddy. I'm aboot to drive on up there an knock you off yer Moose, eh.

  • 11.30.2011 12:23 PM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

You have something brown on your nose sir.
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  • 11.30.2011 12:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi

Posted by: Helveck

Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi


Get off the forums you hoser.


Watch it der, buddy. I'm aboot to drive on up there an knock you off yer Moose, eh.


I'm telling the cyber police.

  • 11.30.2011 12:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: zzthejimzz
People are still complaining about Reach? Wow.


You haven't been to the Reach forum lately, have you?

  • 11.30.2011 12:28 PM PDT
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I don't think they're overrated largely because of how they seem to occasionally move the whole industry forward once in a while.

Just in the Halo series, Halo was the first game I remember becoming popular for system link games. I don't remember people lugging those big old black brick xboxes around for too many other games, and LANs became primitive, nomadic Halo "communities", some of which would occasionally communicate about the game online together.

Then Halo 2 brought XBox Live's matchmaking into its own, and a lot that followed for Bungie, Microsoft, and a ton of other companies was based on information gleaned from that game. The Halo community started to emerge more in its current form. Players not only talked about the game together, but played the game together easily.

Halo 3's file share, forge, and theater took a big step forward in integrating the game and that community. Not only did a lot of players talk about and play the game together, many of them also in some ways made the game together with all of the customization available to them.

I don't think that ODST and Reach really moved the chains as much, but they did add new features and refine some of those earlier developments. I'm interested to see what the next step in that direction is, because I can't imagine it myself.

Or, if you want to reach even further back, Marathon was the first big release for a computer to implement free look successfully. Now, we just take it for granted that we'll be able to use a mouse to look around in computer game. I'd say that was pretty important.

Really, to me their being highly-rated isn't as much about the games as it is about the symbiotic relationship with the community aspect of gaming as a whole. With each release, it feels kind of like the community moved Bungie in a certain direction, or that Bungie moved the community in a certain direction, but it's all integrated so well with most - though not all - of their releases, that it becomes one of those "chicken/egg" questions.

  • 11.30.2011 12:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Coux73

Posted by: zzthejimzz
People are still complaining about Reach? Wow.


You haven't been to the Reach forum lately, have you?


Not in a LONG time!

  • 11.30.2011 12:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Helveck
Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi

Get off the forums you hoser.

But yes, if the OP is indeed honest about his opinions, and still struggles to find validity in the many rebuttals already given... I'm sure it's a lost cause, and he will continue to argue on, aimlessly and pointlessly.

I love how forum members like you take the high road in insulting other members. Must be pretty embarrassing to take an internet forum so serious, wouldn't you agree? If I really wanted to argue over everything that I already stated were nothing more than opinions, then I would. All I have to say is you're naive if you think M$ alone decided ODST's price, and that Bungie had absolutely no say, especially after Bungie went independent in 2007.


I felt like I got $60.00 worth out of ODST. essentially you got the COMPLETE Halo 3 multiplayer with all it's features AND you got the ODST firefight and campaign. Totally worth it.

  • 11.30.2011 12:35 PM PDT

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Nope, bungie is awesome :3

  • 11.30.2011 12:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: zzthejimzz

Posted by: Coux73

Posted by: zzthejimzz
People are still complaining about Reach? Wow.


You haven't been to the Reach forum lately, have you?


Not in a LONG time!


Best to keep it that way then. :)

  • 11.30.2011 12:37 PM PDT

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Obviously I'm going to look extremely biased, but I personally believe they are underrated. Bungie has always been seen as the "company that brought you Halo" for the past decade.

They are far more than that. I'm not even going to analyze whether or not the games themselves are good/bad. Thats up to the individual gamer. However, gamers can't ignore the impact Bungie has had on the industry itself and the developments that have come out of their studio.

For example, lets examine the past decade starting with Halo:CE. It has been hailed as the one game that ushered in a new era of video games on the console. It is the reason the Xbox was such a success.

Moreover, lets look at Halo 2 and the brilliant UI that essentially gave birth to XBox Live as we still know it. The Party system was also developed and Bungie was far ahead of their peers. Think about how long it took before you were able to join up in a party with your friends and enter matchmaking after Halo 2 came out. It took far too long for the rest of the industry to catch up and Xbox Live itself copied much of the structure when they went on with the Xbox 360.

Now, lets examine Halo 3 which developed the Forge and Theater systems. Both systems have yet to be fully realized and implemented into other titles but serve as a great means of allowing greater communication/file sharing in the gaming community. How many of you play other games, have something happen, and say "Wow, I wish I had that captured."

Reach too, expanded upon the Forge System allowing the tools of the modding community on PC to be replicated on console with ease of use and ready to spawn in systems. Moreover, the Impostering system used in Forge World and the Megalo system of gametype development have yet to be replicated by the industry as well.

Bungie is responsible for a great deal of strong pushes in the industry and other companies have taken note and attempted to replicate their success. They are well respected amongst their peers and I think the gaming community, even if they've felt recent titles have been great or lackluster out of the studio should respect them for the impact they've had on the industry.

  • 11.30.2011 12:37 PM PDT

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You have something brown on your nose sir.
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Leave Stevobi alone! Jerk.

  • 11.30.2011 12:46 PM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Too scared to post on your regular account.


Troll
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Posted by: Achilles1108
You have something brown on your nose sir.
Posted by: Obi Wan Stevobi

Leave Stevobi alone! Jerk.

  • 11.30.2011 12:49 PM PDT

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The best 5 game developers in my eyes are (in no order):
Bioware
Bethesda
Valve
Blizzard
Bungie

Bethesda, Valve and Blizzard are lucky. They self publish, so they can spend as much time as they want crafting their games. That is one of the reasons their games are so superb.

Unfortunately for Bioware & Bungie, their publishers are/were bad through Microsoft wasn't as bad as EA. This meant that they had schedules and deadlines to meet for games and their publishers had/have a big part in the game itself. When I say bad, I mean more "unfortunate" for us the gamer. We get less content and love to an extent because the developers can't give more or they wont meet their deadlines/goals. Though Microsoft/Bungie deal made Bungie so it shouldn't be taken as all bad.

Luckily Bungie have a unique deal meaning they are in control of their product and can take as much time as they like. Meaning mistakes like Halo 2 (IMO the best Halo anyway) in terms of management and cutting content should not happen again and we'll receive higher quality products than ever before.

So I don't think we can really rate Bungie yet. I mean their past products have always been of a high standard. But until we see what they can do without being having outside influences to hold them down, I reckon we haven't seen anything yet. I can only see the future being even better for Bungie and for us.

EDIT: I am especially excited to see what Bungie has in store for PC as a platform.

[Edited on 11.30.2011 1:06 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2011 1:01 PM PDT

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I felt like I got $60.00 worth out of ODST. essentially you got the COMPLETE Halo 3 multiplayer with all it's features AND you got the ODST firefight and campaign. Totally worth it.

Most of the longtime, loyal Halo fans already had Halo 3 and all the maps released prior to ODST. Many players were motivated to buy ODST due to Bungie stating that it would be the only way to get the new map pack. Many people, including me, went ahead and bought the game. A lot of people didn't feel it was worth it, and to add insult to injury, the map packs were later released on the marketplace.

Not decisions Bungie got to make. Bungie also said the game would be an expansion and the price would reflect that, looks like they were overruled by the owners of the Halo IP.

  • 11.30.2011 1:03 PM PDT
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No, I don't think Bungie is an overrated game developer.

  • 11.30.2011 1:08 PM PDT

I don't think they are overrated either or could care less. Bungie has always and will make awesome games.

  • 11.30.2011 1:15 PM PDT

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I do agree that their most recent games haven't been up to par, but they've got a pretty good track record.
This guy knows what's up.

  • 11.30.2011 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Confederateghad
I love how forum members like you take the high road in insulting other members. Must be pretty embarrassing to take an internet forum so serious, wouldn't you agree?
Your ignorance is amusing and almost ironic.

[Edited on 11.30.2011 2:33 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2011 2:33 PM PDT