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Subject: Why Reach's population is low

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Lack of Player investment.

1) Rank - Rank means nothing in reach, theres no status assosiated with it. In halo 3 once you got to 50, everyone knew you were good (even though at least half of them were bought) Getting to level 50 was an achivement. And once you got your 50, you could get like 8 more in seperate playlists. In Reach, Reaching a new rank doesn't bring me any satisfaction. And once I Reach Inheritor, the problem will get even worse.

2) Armory - The Armory was cool for me until I reached Fieldmarshall. Now theres nothing left to unlock. I like it, and it works as a short term motivation to rank up, but once your past general, Its pointless, and it Fails as long term player investment.

3) Commendations & Challenges - Commendations are cool, I guess, But Its not even a player Investment strategy, It just shows your trends in MM and FF. Its like a 'why not' thing, but i would have preferred bungie to spend more time on a reach investment strategy. Challenges are cool as well, they make the super long journy's from rank to rank more of a 1 step at a time thing, and makes you focus on the daily challenge, rather than the 2 months it takes depending on how much you play to get to noble to eclipse.

The One Thing Bungie did to Keep me in Halo.

Arena - The Best Competitive Halo experience I've had. A cometitive Ranking system, only a select number of people can hold a division percentage at one time. If It werent for Arena, I would have quit halo half a year ago. Despite the obvious playlist flaws, such as maps like: Reflection and boardwalk, The RAnking system is amazing. I hope we see one like it in Halo 4.

What should be Done.

Bring back 1-50 and put it in All playlists save Arena and FF. Come up with a Way to award the player for achiveing 50, then award the player for achieving multiple 50's.

Post your ideas of why halo's population is suffering, and what can and should be done to fix it.

  • 11.30.2011 7:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: GenisisX77
Lack of Player investment.

1) Rank - Rank means nothing in reach, theres no status assosiated with it. In halo 3 once you got to 50, everyone knew you were good (even though at least half of them were bought) Getting to level 50 was an achivement. And once you got your 50, you could get like 8 more in seperate playlists. In Reach, Reaching a new rank doesn't bring me any satisfaction. And once I Reach Inheritor, the problem will get even worse.

2) Armory - The Armory was cool for me until I reached Fieldmarshall. Now theres nothing left to unlock. I like it, and it works as a short term motivation to rank up, but once your past general, Its pointless, and it Fails as long term player investment.

3) Commendations & Challenges - Commendations are cool, I guess, But Its not even a player Investment strategy, It just shows your trends in MM and FF. Its like a 'why not' thing, but i would have preferred bungie to spend more time on a reach investment strategy. Challenges are cool as well, they make the super long journy's from rank to rank more of a 1 step at a time thing, and makes you focus on the daily challenge, rather than the 2 months it takes depending on how much you play to get to noble to eclipse.

The One Thing Bungie did to Keep me in Halo.

Arena - The Best Competitive Halo experience I've had. A cometitive Ranking system, only a select number of people can hold a division percentage at one time. If It werent for Arena, I would have quit halo half a year ago. Despite the obvious playlist flaws, such as maps like: Reflection and boardwalk, The RAnking system is amazing. I hope we see one like it in Halo 4.

What should be Done.

Bring back 1-50 and put it in All playlists save Arena and FF. Come up with a Way to award the player for achiveing 50, then award the player for achieving multiple 50's.

Post your ideas of why halo's population is suffering, and what can and should be done to fix it.
Because Call of Duty exists.

It's a pick-up and play game.

It's casual, that's why it's above.

  • 11.30.2011 7:33 PM PDT

^

What was the point of quoting the entire OP?

The population is decreasing because of the fan base Bungie sought. Bad players.

  • 11.30.2011 7:36 PM PDT

People love COD its as simple as that.

  • 11.30.2011 7:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: NinjaLord77
People love COD its as simple as that.
Because COD's player investment system is far better than Reach's.

  • 11.30.2011 7:39 PM PDT

Your presence here is quite unneeded. Begone you!!!

CoD exists....that is all

  • 11.30.2011 7:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: GenisisX77

Posted by: NinjaLord77
People love COD its as simple as that.
Because COD's player investment system is far better than Reach's.
That disregards your, "what should be done." part of your argument.

Call of Duty is popular because it's not much of an investment.

  • 11.30.2011 7:40 PM PDT

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Another one of these threads...sigh...

Reach's population is not going to be summed up in one collection of opinions spewed by who is likely an entitled (and fairly young) gamer.

Reach's population is an inherently fluid metric that is influenced by a far greater number of influences than anyone in this forum could try to exhaustively list. Among them are the prevalence of other big-ticket games in general, the influx of new games thanks in part to the season, a shift in game-mechanics, engine and design that deviates from the mold of the franchise such as it has been to date, the age of the game's market presence, etc.

While some players may find themselves nodding in agreement with the OP, the points he brings up are far from indicative of the greater population. Everyone has their reasons for playing or not, and they don't always coincide with yours. Move along.

  • 11.30.2011 7:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Adm Hotpants
Another one of these threads...sigh...

Reach's population is not going to be summed up in one collection of opinions spewed by who is likely an entitled (and fairly young) gamer.

Reach's population is an inherently fluid metric that is influenced by a far greater number of influences than anyone in this forum could try to exhaustively list. Among them are the prevalence of other big-ticket games in general, the influx of new games thanks in part to the season, a shift in game-mechanics, engine and design that deviates from the mold of the franchise such as it has been to date, the age of the game's market presence, etc.

While some players may find themselves nodding in agreement with the OP, the points he brings up are far from indicative of the greater population. Everyone has their reasons for playing or not, and they don't always coincide with yours. Move along.
While I realize that new games have been released and this is the major thing sucking the life out of Reach, It would be competeing better against them if it had a decent player investment system.

  • 11.30.2011 7:52 PM PDT

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lol @ this thread

I like everything you say is "bad".

  • 11.30.2011 7:55 PM PDT

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Nah, it's just that most gamers are playing Modern Warfare 3 now.

  • 11.30.2011 7:56 PM PDT

Because it sucks. That's all you had to say. No need for a long post. Reach sucks thus it has a low population.

  • 11.30.2011 7:56 PM PDT

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'hell you talking about, Everything is unlocked at Mythic(last GUNGIR attachment) and also, if you want to still be motivated in The Armory, try to buy everything in there, you'll be 3/4 to Nova by then...

  • 11.30.2011 7:57 PM PDT

When a big title comes out that's when 343 should improve Reach as much as possible to compete but instead they just sit there and take an ass whooping. Do they like losing to COD? I think they do because if they didn't they would do something to improve this game.

Microsoft doesn't care if COD is beating Halo because all the millions of MW3 players are paying for Xbox live and that's' all they really care about

  • 11.30.2011 7:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: NinjaLord77
When a big title comes out that's when 343 should improve Reach as much as possible to compete but instead they just sit there and take an ass whooping. Do they like losing to COD? I think they do because if they didn't they would do something to improve this game.

Microsoft doesn't care if COD is beating Halo because all the millions of MW3 players are paying for Xbox live and that's' all they really care about
^*True*

  • 11.30.2011 7:59 PM PDT


Posted by: SasukeFKay
'hell you talking about, Everything is unlocked at Mythic(last GUNGIR attachment) and also, if you want to still be motivated in The Armory, try to buy everything in there, you'll be 3/4 to Nova by then...
lolbarbies

  • 11.30.2011 8:00 PM PDT

And so God called Moses to come forth but he came fifth and was therefore disqualified.

My opinion of this are that there are two statistics that matter (The main ones)

1) Medals. Many people say medals mean nothing, however, I think that a warrant officer with all the medals would be better than an inheritor whose highest spree is 10.
2) Weapon ratios. If you have good weapon ratios, then you kill a lot more than be killed.

Thats all ;)

  • 11.30.2011 8:01 PM PDT

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I have to admit, I laughed :D
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Posted by: SasukeFKay
'hell you talking about, Everything is unlocked at Mythic(last GUNGIR attachment) and also, if you want to still be motivated in The Armory, try to buy everything in there, you'll be 3/4 to Nova by then...
lolbarbies

  • 11.30.2011 8:05 PM PDT

Planking : Parkour for people who don't move very fast.

There is nothing that can be done to fix the population. People A)Play Reach, and like it, B)Play Reach, and whinge about it like little children, or C)Don't play Reach.

Adding anything back in isn't going to cause the population to sky rocket. 343 has already tried, and failed.

  • 11.30.2011 8:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: TurnedSculpture
My opinion of this are that there are two statistics that matter (The main ones)

1) Medals. Many people say medals mean nothing, however, I think that a warrant officer with all the medals would be better than an inheritor whose highest spree is 10.
2) Weapon ratios. If you have good weapon ratios, then you kill a lot more than be killed.

Thats all ;)
theres no nice way to say this, but, no. Sprees are easy and weapon ratios dont mean a thing, Take a player that never use the AR and his KD with it is .5 does that make him bad? no. In face KDR in general means very little, unless you look in depth at the playlists the players play example

Kid A
KDR - 3.6
Most played playlists - BTB, Objective, SWAT

Kid B
KDR 1.8
Most played playlists - MLG, Anena, Doubles, Snipers

Kid B is leauges ahead of Kid A

  • 11.30.2011 8:15 PM PDT

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D. Play it JUST to Rank Up and some what Commendations, Haunted Helmet, or get the game over with
E. Has NOTHING else to do
Posted by: WulfwoodsSins
There is nothing that can be done to fix the population. People A)Play Reach, and like it, B)Play Reach, and whinge about it like little children, or C)Don't play Reach.

Adding anything back in isn't going to cause the population to sky rocket. 343 has already tried, and failed.

  • 11.30.2011 8:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

The reasons you listed only attribute to a small number of people walking away from Reach. The primary reason(s) are not discussed or covered in the OP.

  • 11.30.2011 8:16 PM PDT
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I'm new to competitive Halo and Halo itself (Reach being my first video game ever actually). Message me if you want to play;

Reach: MLG, Arena, Doubles, BTB and customs.
Halo 3: Ranked MM and customs.

Also I have every Halo title and all of its DLC on the Xbox 360.
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I agree but low population might have more to do with maps (and some game types) than you explained.

Trying to make reach like h3 will not help reach, but some aspects of h3 could improve it.

  • 11.30.2011 8:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: SasukeFKay
D. Play it JUST to Rank Up and some what Commendations, Haunted Helmet, or get the game over with
E. Has NOTHING else to do
Posted by: WulfwoodsSins
There is nothing that can be done to fix the population. People A)Play Reach, and like it, B)Play Reach, and whinge about it like little children, or C)Don't play Reach.

Adding anything back in isn't going to cause the population to sky rocket. 343 has already tried, and failed.


To be blunt, if you view games as a chore, or "something to be done and over with." chances are, you could find a lot better things to do with your time. And if you literally have NOTHING else to do beside play Reach, with all the games that are out there, not to mention the multitude of hobbies that are out there, then you are doing it to yourself.

  • 11.30.2011 8:20 PM PDT

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