- The Dutchman
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- Senior Legendary Member
The ODST's having earned their titles with blood/sweat/more blood, while the Spartans... Whilst nothing. They earned all that and more. Just because they had better equipment, training and opportunity does not lessen their achievements.
The lofty heights of the Spartan myth, no doubt attained through cunning UNSC propaganda and ONI folklore, and fed by the spoonfull to the gaping mouths of the willing populace.
Myth based on the best operational record of any (Army, Navy, NavSpeWar, Oni et al) unit. You're holding good propaganda against them?
Tempered with the grit and determination, the spilt blood and the battle scars, the broken bond of the fallen brother's of ODST'S. Hard earned, hard lived, and hard fought, fighting tooth and nail in the monolithic shadow of ONI's chosen few.
As it stands the bitterness and jealousy of the ODST's is well founded, misplaced though it may be, as most would be sympathetic to their plight.
You imply the Spartans haven't lost anything. Haven't come back half dead from missions, lost good friends, allies, or even a part of themselves, during a lifetime fighting?
Yes they have never lost a ground engagement, but Spartans DO die, whether Oni wants you to believe it or not. Sam. James. Will. Linda (well...). I could go on. Isaac, Vinh, Li, Grace, Joshua, the 4 who died outright falling to Reach.
Don't think the Spartans have had it easy. Also;
"the monolithic shadow of ONI's chosen few"
All stand together under the shadow of the Covenant.
The Hero's of humanity, are they in a position to represent humanity if they are devoid of it? The Spartan's general disregard for the ODST's is only equaled by their yearning for battle and their inability to avoid or walk away from a fight.
They don't claim to represent Humanity, they are the vanguard of all that remains and fight to the bitter end to save them and lose their own humanity to protect the masses. A noble sacrifice, some would say.
There is no Spartan disregard for ODSTs. The helljumpers alone have a chip on their shoulders, not all of the ODSTs, and this is a result of their arrogance, their machismo, and their aggressive mentality. All virtues for those in the near suicidal division that is the Helljumpers, but fit to represent humanity? I'm not so sure.
"inability to avoid or walk away from a fight" Where did you pull that from? Admittedly Spartans don't give an inch in a fight and only retreat tactically, and for short times at that.
But they are the epitome of battlefield tactics, strategic planning, intelligence, and skill. And they would not throw their lives away unless ordered to.
You seem to forget that Spartans also have an immense capacity for stealth and guerrilla warfare - reread FoR, for example, especially the Cote de Azur section, or some of the insurrection missions (colonel watts' capture). I think you'll find they are reserved, tactical and logical, and don't pick a fight with everyone they see.
I'm assuming your allegiance lies with the Helljumpers, because biased and incorrect OP is... well, you know the rest.