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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Jak O Bladez
There's no 'rivalry' between them, there was one ODST who held a grudge and he just happened to be in charge during one of the books.


The Flood

Dirt

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All showed ODSTs in contempt with the spartans for "replacing them". I am positive i could find more, less detailed examples in the lore.

  • 12.12.2011 1:54 PM PDT

Ad Infinitum


Posted by: Xerzaph
ODST's would have years of experience working their way up the ranks as marines, along with further experience as ODST's. ODST's are either prodigy's, or men who have been flawless marines for a very long time. As I said, Spartans are young.

Have you ever read a book? Do you know how old Spartans are? I thought this was all basic knowledge?

  • 12.12.2011 2:34 PM PDT


Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Jak O Bladez
There's no 'rivalry' between them, there was one ODST who held a grudge and he just happened to be in charge during one of the books.


The Flood

Dirt

The Babysitter


All showed ODSTs in contempt with the spartans for "replacing them". I am positive i could find more, less detailed examples in the lore.

Evolutions and Legends aren't canon.
And if you want to judge every single odst based on one character in The Flood, you might as well say that every black person in the Halo universe caries a spartan lazer and cannot be killed.

  • 12.12.2011 3:03 PM PDT

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The Rookie would get along with the chief just fine.

  • 12.12.2011 3:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Jak O Bladez

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Jak O Bladez
There's no 'rivalry' between them, there was one ODST who held a grudge and he just happened to be in charge during one of the books.


The Flood

Dirt

The Babysitter


All showed ODSTs in contempt with the spartans for "replacing them". I am positive i could find more, less detailed examples in the lore.

Evolutions and Legends aren't canon.
And if you want to judge every single odst based on one character in The Flood, you might as well say that every black person in the Halo universe caries a spartan lazer and cannot be killed.


Your a joke. Explain to me how evolutions isn't canon when i see a 343 logo on the back? not to mention they made many of the stories into motion comics. Legends is canon other than "Odd One Out", don't pay too much attention to the visuals.

Both are canon and you are wrong unless i can see a source saying they aren't canon.

  • 12.12.2011 4:02 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Jak O Bladez
There's no 'rivalry' between them, there was one ODST who held a grudge and he just happened to be in charge during one of the books.


The Flood

Dirt

The Babysitter


All showed ODSTs in contempt with the spartans for "replacing them". I am positive i could find more, less detailed examples in the lore.

Evolutions and Legends aren't canon.
And if you want to judge every single odst based on one character in The Flood, you might as well say that every black person in the Halo universe caries a spartan lazer and cannot be killed.


They are indeed canon. Where is your proof they aren't?

  • 12.12.2011 5:27 PM PDT

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Where on earth are these people getting that "there is no rivalry"?...

  • 12.12.2011 5:52 PM PDT
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This (and THIS) was for Reach...and/or Harvest


Posted by: Xerzaph
Where on earth are these people getting that "there is no rivalry"?...


Probably differing perspectives on the fiction/canon, and/or exposure to the novels and the like.

There is one, perhaps exaggerated, but it does exist.
Just like real world military, camaraderie and competition.

[Edited on 12.13.2011 10:43 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2011 10:41 PM PDT

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While it is true that a few ODSTs hate Spartans, there are equally, if not more, that are glad for their presence.
I'm sorry- but even after reading and rereading Dirt, the Spartan training regime makes it look like bathtime.
The equipment? While it does give the Spartans an advantage, just the augmentations alone make them superior to ODSTs.
The Experience? They killed somewhere between two and five marines (I can't remember the exact number, it's been a while since I've read FoR) before they hit puberty. Upon that, they took out a number of Rebel installations before First Contact with the Covenant.

Seriously, while the ODSTs are great on the normal, human level, Spartans are - literally - better in every way.

  • 12.13.2011 11:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: J0man1
Probably differing perspectives on the fiction/canon, and/or exposure to the novels and the like.

There is one, perhaps exaggerated, but it does exist.
Just like real world military, camaraderie and competition.

I guess it's easy to believe that there isn't one. If taken from the point of view from a Spartan, they don't know about it, or simply don't care. It's rare that you get the point of view from an ODST.

  • 12.13.2011 11:09 PM PDT


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Jak O Bladez
There's no 'rivalry' between them, there was one ODST who held a grudge and he just happened to be in charge during one of the books.


The Flood

Dirt

The Babysitter


All showed ODSTs in contempt with the spartans for "replacing them". I am positive i could find more, less detailed examples in the lore.

Evolutions and Legends aren't canon.
And if you want to judge every single odst based on one character in The Flood, you might as well say that every black person in the Halo universe caries a spartan lazer and cannot be killed.


Um, no, where are you getting that from? Everything published by Bungie/343i/Microsoft in relation to Halo is canon unless otherwise stated or a higher source contradicts the information. None of that however is the case with Evolutions or Legends, both are completely canon, just as much as the games or any of the books. The only part of Halo Legends that isn't canon is the episode "Odd One Out", and while the stories within Legends are completely canon, the visuals shouldn't be taken as absolute or concrete fact as their is a lot of artistic license in it.

It's pretty well established that ODSTs don't particularly like Spartans and have a pretty large rivalry with them. Spartans either don't know about how the ODSTs consider themselves rivals, or they just don't care, so the rivalry/dislike is rather one-sided.

Posted by: Grey101
How would any ODST have more "field experience" when the spartans have been doing ops in their teens?


It's a fair point, the ODSTs have been alive a lot longer and serving in military campaigns longer than the Spartans were. At least when the Spartans first actively started being deployed. By this point the Spartans should have infinitely more combat experience and what-not, but when they were first being the deployed the ODSTs would have had more field experience, because the Spartans hadn't actually been deployed on any real missions yet.

[Edited on 12.14.2011 5:24 AM PST]

  • 12.14.2011 5:21 AM PDT

<(-_-)> Teh mokey is not amused

Spartans are following orders. They did not choose to become super-soldiers, they were merely plucked involuntarily out of their own homes at a young age. For the ODSTs to have a rivalry with them is unprofessional. Though to be honest I have not seen many ODSTs in the books or games that have demonstrated an outright hatred of spartans.

  • 12.14.2011 5:28 AM PDT
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So then, it's clearly evident, the answer to it all remains: More ODST exposure, period.

I myself would be satiated with more novels and comics like Helljumper for example, but in game would clearly be superior.

  • 12.16.2011 5:01 AM PDT

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Yes, but ODST's aren't particularly wordy about it. They don't hate Spartans, they just consider them "glory hounds" who steal all the credit.

  • 12.16.2011 6:05 AM PDT

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