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Subject: Question about Energy Shields

Why is it that a single bullet can't break an elites energy shields, but a knife can? For instance, at the end of Halo Reach, Emile was impaled by an energy sword and was dying, so he pulled out his knife and stabbed the Zealot in the neck, instant killing the Zealot. I highly doubt that he could have put out the force with his knife beyond the force an Assault Rifle round could put out, but maybe a Spartan could, I'm not sure. I guess the question is why can a knife break Elite energy shields, but a single bullet cannot? Just something I noticed.

[Edited on 12.01.2011 9:31 AM PST]

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The elite energy shields are based off of Forerunner technology, and we know that at least some Forerunner energy shields only activated if the incoming projectile had sufficient velocity (Ghosts of Onyx). It is possible that the knife simply wasn't traveling fast enough to activate the shields.

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  • 12.01.2011 9:39 AM PDT

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As an interesting fact, in The Fall of Reach, Master Chief has to turn off the shield parts for the hands and feets, in order to grab things and walk.

In the games, Master Chief can get into vehicles with no problems at all...

  • 12.01.2011 10:06 AM PDT

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A bullet doesn't have 1000+ pounds of concentrated force when it impacts...

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Posted by: abelsinh
As an interesting fact, in The Fall of Reach, Master Chief has to turn off the shield parts for the hands and feets, in order to grab things and walk.

In the games, Master Chief can get into vehicles with no problems at all...


Feels like I've got nothing protecting me at all...

nothing at all...

nothing at all.....

NOTHING AT ALL.......

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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
The elite energy shields are based off of Forerunner technology, and we know that at least some Forerunner energy shields only activated if the incoming projectile had sufficient velocity (Ghosts of Onyx). It is possible that the knife simply wasn't traveling fast enough to activate the shields.

This is correct.

It's also the reason why Forge was able to stab the Arbiter in Halo Wars.

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Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
The elite energy shields are based off of Forerunner technology, and we know that at least some Forerunner energy shields only activated if the incoming projectile had sufficient velocity (Ghosts of Onyx). It is possible that the knife simply wasn't traveling fast enough to activate the shields.

This is correct.

It's also the reason why Forge was able to stab the Arbiter in Halo Wars.


He didn't have shields.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: jross1993

Posted by: CTN 0452 9
The elite energy shields are based off of Forerunner technology, and we know that at least some Forerunner energy shields only activated if the incoming projectile had sufficient velocity (Ghosts of Onyx). It is possible that the knife simply wasn't traveling fast enough to activate the shields.

This is correct.

It's also the reason why Forge was able to stab the Arbiter in Halo Wars.


He didn't have shields.

....?

I'm serious. How/why did you come to this conclusion?

[Edited on 12.01.2011 1:02 PM PST]

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Hmmmm?

So if shields don't activate unless something travelling at a certain velocity hits it. Then why doesn't it do that when Master chief tries to grab objects and walk? If the shields flare up from that, then why does it not flare up for a knife but still flare up for a bullet. Someone needs to explain this to me.

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Posted by: SteroidKloud
Hmmmm?

So if shields don't activate unless something travelling at a certain velocity hits it. Then why doesn't it do that when Master chief tries to grab objects and walk? If the shields flare up from that, then why does it not flare up for a knife but still flare up for a bullet. Someone needs to explain this to me.


The shields are weaker in some spots (feet and hands) and stronger in others (torso). They can be adjusted to grab things:a bullet is faster than a knife but the knife has more force. That is what i gleamed from others talking about this.

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Posted by: SteroidKloud
Hmmmm?

So if shields don't activate unless something travelling at a certain velocity hits it. Then why doesn't it do that when Master chief tries to grab objects and walk? If the shields flare up from that, then why does it not flare up for a knife but still flare up for a bullet. Someone needs to explain this to me.

Actually, upon thinking about it...

Is it possible that (and I'm talking about Reach assassinations here, not sure if relevant but I'll continue) the Spartan breaks the shields with the amount of force they're exerting onto the enemy with the knife? By memory, it kinda makes sense why you can hear the shields break in an assassination.

It also supports the whole 'why did MCs shields 'flare up' as he was walking in the suit the first time' argument as it could be deduced that the shields are always on.

Though I just thought of that then and have no real evidence to support it other than gameplay... which means very little.

[Edited on 12.01.2011 1:11 PM PST]

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Hmmmm?

So if shields don't activate unless something travelling at a certain velocity hits it. Then why doesn't it do that when Master chief tries to grab objects and walk? If the shields flare up from that, then why does it not flare up for a knife but still flare up for a bullet. Someone needs to explain this to me.


The shields are weaker in some spots (feet and hands) and stronger in others (torso). They can be adjusted to grab things:a bullet is faster than a knife but the knife has more force. That is what i gleamed from others talking about this.


That still isn't a proper explanation. A bullet has more force than anyone using a knife will. Even a Spartan. A Spartan couldn't put a hole in metal with a knife, but a bullet can.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Hmmmm?

So if shields don't activate unless something travelling at a certain velocity hits it. Then why doesn't it do that when Master chief tries to grab objects and walk? If the shields flare up from that, then why does it not flare up for a knife but still flare up for a bullet. Someone needs to explain this to me.


The shields are weaker in some spots (feet and hands) and stronger in others (torso). They can be adjusted to grab things:a bullet is faster than a knife but the knife has more force. That is what i gleamed from others talking about this.


That still isn't a proper explanation. A bullet has more force than anyone using a knife will. Even a Spartan. A Spartan couldn't put a hole in metal with a knife, but a bullet can.


Your getting your physics messed up.

And a spartan would,could,and has put a dent in metal with fists alone.

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Knifes can break through a shield because of the sheer force a Spartan puts in it when it's jabbed into the Elite. The force is hundreds of times more than that of a bullet.

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Posted by: abelsinh
As an interesting fact, in The Fall of Reach, Master Chief has to turn off the shield parts for the hands and feets, in order to grab things and walk.

In the games, Master Chief can get into vehicles with no problems at all...


Um, he doesn't turn them off, just reduces the strength in those areas.

Likelyhood of getting shot in the palm of your hand or sole of your feet?


Posted by: jross1993
Posted by: grey101
He didn't have shields.

....?

I'm serious. How/why did you come to this conclusion?


Ripa's armor is like the stealth elites who came to his aid and are found in Halo CE. Their armor has highly advanced active camo modules, at the cost of no shielding.

[Edited on 12.01.2011 2:17 PM PST]

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Posted by: jross1993
Posted by: grey101
He didn't have shields.

....?

I'm serious. How/why did you come to this conclusion?


Ripa's armor is like the stealth elites who came to his aid and are found in Halo CE. Their armor has highly advanced active camo modules, at the cost of no shielding.

Source?

[Edited on 12.01.2011 2:24 PM PST]

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Posted by: jross1993
He didn't have shields.[/quote]
....?

I'm serious. How/why did you come to this conclusion? [/quote]

Ripa's armor is like the stealth elites who came to his aid and are found in Halo CE. Their armor has highly advanced active camo modules, at the cost of no shielding.[/quote]
Source?


The game and since when does something you can clearly see need a source?


The cinimatics show atleast twice that he doesn't have energy shielding but the alloy on his armor is bullet proof. He is an Arbiter that title requires him to work with less and die.

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: SteroidKloud
Hmmmm?

So if shields don't activate unless something travelling at a certain velocity hits it. Then why doesn't it do that when Master chief tries to grab objects and walk? If the shields flare up from that, then why does it not flare up for a knife but still flare up for a bullet. Someone needs to explain this to me.


The shields are weaker in some spots (feet and hands) and stronger in others (torso). They can be adjusted to grab things:a bullet is faster than a knife but the knife has more force. That is what i gleamed from others talking about this.


That still isn't a proper explanation. A bullet has more force than anyone using a knife will. Even a Spartan. A Spartan couldn't put a hole in metal with a knife, but a bullet can.


Your getting your physics messed up.

And a spartan would,could,and has put a dent in metal with fists alone.


That is because it is thin metal. If we are talking about a solid block of metal 10 meters in length, width and height. the bullet would make a notable effect while the knife will most likely snap or just put a scrape in it.

Physics messed up?

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Posted by: abelsinh
As an interesting fact, in The Fall of Reach, Master Chief has to turn off the shield parts for the hands and feets, in order to grab things and walk.

In the games, Master Chief can get into vehicles with no problems at all...


Feels like I've got nothing protecting me at all...

nothing at all...

nothing at all.....

NOTHING AT ALL.......


Stupid sexy Chief! >:(

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: jross1993
He didn't have shields.[/quote]
....?

I'm serious. How/why did you come to this conclusion? [/quote]

Ripa's armor is like the stealth elites who came to his aid and are found in Halo CE. Their armor has highly advanced active camo modules, at the cost of no shielding.[/quote]
Source?


The game and since when does something you can clearly see need a source?


The cinimatics show atleast twice that he doesn't have energy shielding but the alloy on his armor is bullet proof. He is an Arbiter that title requires him to work with less and die.

Egh. Jeeez you're a dick man. I'm so glad I kept that script that whateverhisname made that blocks your posts.

Good day.

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Posted by: jross1993
Posted by: grey101

Posted by: jross1993
He didn't have shields.[/quote]
....?

I'm serious. How/why did you come to this conclusion? [/quote]

Ripa's armor is like the stealth elites who came to his aid and are found in Halo CE. Their armor has highly advanced active camo modules, at the cost of no shielding.[/quote]
Source?


The game and since when does something you can clearly see need a source?


The cinimatics show atleast twice that he doesn't have energy shielding but the alloy on his armor is bullet proof. He is an Arbiter that title requires him to work with less and die.

Egh. Jeeez you're a dick man. I'm so glad I kept that script that whateverhisname made that blocks your posts.

Good day.


Was that supposed to be some kind of joke?

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Was that supposed to be some kind of joke?

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Peace out. We were gonna do some trolling but we've got to go. Awkward for me. :)

[Edited on 12.01.2011 11:08 PM PST]

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Posted by: abelsinh
As an interesting fact, in The Fall of Reach, Master Chief has to turn off the shield parts for the hands and feets, in order to grab things and walk.

In the games, Master Chief can get into vehicles with no problems at all...


Feels like I've got nothing protecting me at all...

nothing at all...

nothing at all.....

NOTHING AT ALL.......


Stupid sexy John...

[Edited on 12.01.2011 2:48 PM PST]

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