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Subject: Please shut my brother up.

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

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Posted by: WoundedMr Krabs
I thought it was universally agreed that Jetpacks are game breaking and horrible for competitive gameplay.

Sure... if you understand competitive gameplay.

  • 12.01.2011 11:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: WoundedMr Krabs
I thought it was universally agreed that Jetpacks are game breaking and horrible for competitive gameplay.

Sure... if you understand competitive gameplay.


It's the Reach forum.

  • 12.01.2011 11:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: WoundedMr Krabs
I thought it was universally agreed that Jetpacks are game breaking and horrible for competitive gameplay.


competitive gameplay in Reach?
<.< >.> <.<
Where?

  • 12.01.2011 11:17 AM PDT

Forget it man, and get with the countdown. Shake this square world and blast off for Kicksville.

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Posted by: BBZak III
You have a scale.
You put 5 lbs. on each side of said scale.
It is balanced.

Even if it meets the literal definition of "balanced", that certainly doesn't mean that it's conducive to good gameplay.

Furthermore, by your definition, it's not balanced, since the players on each team have the choice to place different weights on the scale. It'd only be balanced by your definition if Jetpack was the one and only loadout.

Of course, everyone sensible will just pick Jetpack at high level Arena and proceed to have a balanced and utterly garbage match.

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Posted by: WoundedMr Krabs
Lol, I can't believe I might lose. I thought it was universally agreed that Jetpacks are game breaking and horrible for competitive gameplay.


Smh reach forum.


It's B.net.....

Should make a poll about Sprint and see how many people don't think its a crutch.

  • 12.01.2011 11:18 AM PDT

Jetpacks add skill? When did this happen? Let's see NEVER.

  • 12.01.2011 11:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: BBZak III
Posted by: RC Clone
So if both teams have a Rockets option on the loadout menu then the game is still balanced?

Saying its balanced because you can counter the enemy's advantage by using the same thing is stupid.

Huh, I seem to be at a loss:

You have a scale.
You put 5 lbs. on each side of said scale.
It is balanced.

So, if both teams have a Rocket spawn option, you're obviously playing Team rockets, or Rocket CTF.
Player who uses it best will win.
Even if there were other loadouts, like a Sniper loadout, it'd still be balanced. The rockets just became a little less useful.
Balanced.

If it was truly balanced then. 4 Jetpackers vs 1 Sprint, 1 Evade, 1 Hologram, and 1 Jetpack would be an even fight.

It isn't. If both teams are of equal skill and they both stick with the Loadouts I listed then the all Jetpack team has a much higher chance of wining because Jetpack pushes the game very much in their favor. Saying its balanced because "They can just change to Jetpack" is illogical becuase that proves it is unbalanced. It can't be countered by anything except itself then it isn't balanced.

Lets say we have Rock, Paper, Scissors with the same rules you know with one change. Rock also beats paper. Now Rocks only counter is to tie with other Rock. There is now no reason to not choose Rock every time becuase you will either beat your opponent who was foolish enough to not choose Rock or tie with the opponent because they chose Rock. This is not balanced. This is highly imbalanced and is a highly simplified explanation of the problem with Jetpack in Reach.

  • 12.01.2011 11:22 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sentox6
it's not balanced, since the players on each team have the choice to place different weights on the scale.


this.

  • 12.01.2011 11:22 AM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

TheLab.

Jet Packs are fine.

It's the maps that suck.

  • 12.01.2011 11:28 AM PDT


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Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
I completely agree with your brother, he is not the retard, you are, the jetpack is perfectly fine just as every other AA is fine.


You best be trollin'

One does not need to troll to speak the truth.
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Posted by: DarkAero Trooper

Posted by: RC Clone Of course, said person goes back to the argument that Armour Lock is bad, yet cannot get above a 1.50 K/D, too busy getting killed by Armour Lock?

I see you've chosen the Reachtard route and completely ignored my post while going straight to statchecking.

Stay classy Reachtards.

Nah I read the entire post and still stick to what I said, go get a higher K/D then -blam!-, but wait you can't, seeing as you are always getting killed by these "Reachtards".

  • 12.01.2011 11:29 AM PDT

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  • 12.01.2011 11:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
I completely agree with your brother, he is not the retard, you are, the jetpack is perfectly fine just as every other AA is fine.


You best be trollin'

One does not need to troll to speak the truth.


You're right, so it's a good thing you weren't speaking the truth.


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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
Nah I read the entire post and still stick to what I said, go get a higher K/D then -blam!-, but wait you can't, seeing as you are always getting killed by these "Reachtards".

I'll believe that when your counter points actually involve something I posted rather than statchecking. Should that be stat trolling considering the more disrespectful tone you have taken on?

Come back with a point by point rebuttal. Insults will only get you through middle school.

  • 12.01.2011 11:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: RC Clone
Insults will only get you through middle school.


QFT

  • 12.01.2011 11:34 AM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

TheLab.


Posted by: RC Clone
If it was truly balanced then.


You're focusing on Armor Ability balance rather than what's actually wrong.

The maps are not balanced properly to reflect the balance of the Armor Abilities.

Why does Jet Pack dominate so much? Because the maps have either far too much open space that a high ground fighter can cover or the quicker Jet Pack routes do not often give enough of a risk factor.

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Posted by: RC Clone
If it was truly balanced then.


You're focusing on Armor Ability balance rather than what's actually wrong.

The maps are not balanced properly to reflect the balance of the Armor Abilities.

Why does Jet Pack dominate so much? Because the maps have either far too much open space that a high ground fighter can cover or the quicker Jet Pack routes do not often give enough of a risk factor.

I mention lack of cover in the super post on page 1.

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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
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Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

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Posted by: Darkside EricOH GOD.

YOU'RE ALL ABOUT TO GET OWND.

Already have been owning.

  • 12.01.2011 11:46 AM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

TheLab.


Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: Darkside Eric
Posted by: RC Clone
If it was truly balanced then.


You're focusing on Armor Ability balance rather than what's actually wrong.

The maps are not balanced properly to reflect the balance of the Armor Abilities.

Why does Jet Pack dominate so much? Because the maps have either far too much open space that a high ground fighter can cover or the quicker Jet Pack routes do not often give enough of a risk factor.

I mention lack of cover in the super post on page 1.


Haven't read it yet.

However what I said still stands.

Jet Pack, on its own is completely fine. It is actually a finely balanced Armor Ability.

But when put on maps that weren't designed with it in mind, like say Cage/Uncaged, it gives it way more power than it was designed to have.

  • 12.01.2011 11:46 AM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

TheLab.


Posted by: RC Clone
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Posted by: Darkside EricOH GOD.

YOU'RE ALL ABOUT TO GET OWND.

Already have been owning.


Read it.

Your beef is with maps, not Jet Pack.

  • 12.01.2011 11:49 AM PDT

What makes a balanced Jetpack map then? Because it seems to me that either Jetpack is gonna be useless due to the lack of vertical distance to cover or compeltely OP because of vertical distance to cover.

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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Posted by: Darkside Eric
Haven't read it yet.

However what I said still stands.

Jet Pack, on its own is completely fine. It is actually a finely balanced Armor Ability.

But when put on maps that weren't designed with it in mind, like say Cage/Uncaged, it gives it way more power than it was designed to have.

And by mentioned I mean I blamed bad map design for the reason Jetpack has so much power.

[Edited on 12.01.2011 11:50 AM PST]

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Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
What makes a balanced Jetpack map then? Because it seems to me that either Jetpack is gonna be useless due to the lack of vertical distance to cover or compeltely OP because of vertical distance to cover.


Any of the 3 Invasion maps.

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Posted by: Horse Repairman
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Posted by: DerpRoids
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Posted by: Darkside Eric
Posted by: RC Clone
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Posted by: Darkside EricOH GOD.

YOU'RE ALL ABOUT TO GET OWND.

Already have been owning.


Read it.

Your beef is with maps, not Jet Pack.

I realize the maps are bad and not designed for the gameplay element of Jetpack.

I only said it wasn't accounted for while the maps were made like 5 times in that.

[Edited on 12.01.2011 11:53 AM PST]

  • 12.01.2011 11:51 AM PDT


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Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
What makes a balanced Jetpack map then? Because it seems to me that either Jetpack is gonna be useless due to the lack of vertical distance to cover or compeltely OP because of vertical distance to cover.


Any of the 3 Invasion maps.


Being designed for Invasion pretty much precludes the possibility of a map being built for other competitive purposes, except perhaps one-sided Objective games.

  • 12.01.2011 11:51 AM PDT