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Subject: Please shut my brother up.

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

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Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
What makes a balanced Jetpack map then? Because it seems to me that either Jetpack is gonna be useless due to the lack of vertical distance to cover or compeltely OP because of vertical distance to cover.


What makes a balanced Jet Pack map then?

Ground level: Open patches of terrain of various sizes to expose ground level infantry to high angles of fire. Among those open patches have clustered and/or spread out points of cover (from both ground and air) in the form of tunnels, archways, alcoves, rooms, etc to give ground level infantry a safe play to lay in fire on other ground infantry and to air based infantry (depending on the attack angles).

Air level: lots of open space to balance the height advantage with an exposure disadvantage. Every section in the air, or "zone" should be able to be targeted by at least one point of ground cover without exposing the ground cover to lots of fire.

Meaning, if I am in the west alcove, I should be able to cleanly hit east and west air zone but unable to hit north and south, which also means north and south can't hit me.

Air level should have very sparse cover, even on landing areas, because they still have height advantage against everyone who isn't in the air on on a landing area.

Routes leading to higher areas should have protected ramps for ground based infantry, so that while the route may be slower, it's safer. Conversely, getting to higher areas via Jet Pack would be more exposed or faster.

Ground level should also have a mid level that feeds into both ground and air, giving non-Jet Pack infantry a means to move, target, regroup, etc with the safety~ness being completely dependent on how well each team uses coordination.

  • 12.01.2011 12:02 PM PDT


Ooh, I love those people, the ones who decide to throw everything and the kitchen sink at you, as if an M16 does anything to a T-90. Oh, MLG player with noobtube instead? Congrats! You blew off one of my ablative plates!

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Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: DarkAero Trooper

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
I completely agree with your brother, he is not the retard, you are, the jetpack is perfectly fine just as every other AA is fine.


You best be trollin'

One does not need to troll to speak the truth.


You're right, so it's a good thing you weren't speaking the truth.

Yep, of course you can't accept the truth, you have to always [bitch] about something, you can't just play the game.

  • 12.01.2011 12:03 PM PDT

The Internet is an empowerment tool that's agnostic; it doesn't care about race, gender, or age.

Unless you're single digit onyx, I don't see jetpack abused outside of Arena. I still voted for it to be taken out though.

  • 12.01.2011 12:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

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Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Posted by: DarkAero Trooper

We complain in the hopes that our complaints will make sure the same mistakes don't get repeated in the next game.

  • 12.01.2011 12:07 PM PDT

DERP DERP

I think that they are just fine but dont involve skill.

  • 12.01.2011 12:09 PM PDT

Your presence here is quite unneeded. Begone you!!!

swift kick to the teeth will shut him up

  • 12.01.2011 12:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
Yep, of course you can't accept the truth


You said every AA is fine, thereby ignoring anything I and many other intelligent posters brought up to the contrary. There are so many legitimate threads that have been posted with evidence to the contrary. And that is regardless of how the argument is presented and who it is presented by.

Does being ignorant keep your mind at peace, or are you just trolling? Cause I can list 20 reasons why AAs are not 'fine'.


[Edited on 12.01.2011 12:11 PM PST]

  • 12.01.2011 12:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Posted by: Darkside Eric

Zom mAi Gawds!

Dude your K/d is waaaaaay too low for u to be telling us what would make a balanced map that works with Jetpack.

In fact your K/D is so mind numbingly bad I'll just go ahaed keep repeating that you're bad at this game in the hopes that the people who read this don't notice that I haven't made any kind of counter the traits you listed.

The truth is I'm too dumb to counter your points so I'm just going to insult your badness to try and look cool for being a douche.

  • 12.01.2011 12:11 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat
Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
Yep, of course you can't accept the truth


You said every AA is fine, thereby ignoring anything I and many other intelligent posters brought up to the contrary. There are so many legitimate threads that have been posted with evidence to the contrary. And that is regardless of how the argument is presented and who it is presented by.

Does being ignorant keep your mind at peace, or are you just trolling? Cause I can list 20 reasons why AAs are not 'fine'.

Here's the truth you can't accept.

  • 12.01.2011 12:13 PM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

TheLab.


Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: Darkside Eric

Zom mAi Gawds!

Dude your K/d is waaaaaay too low for u to be telling us what would make a balanced map that works with Jetpack.

In fact your K/D is so mind numbingly bad I'll just go ahaed keep repeating that you're bad at this game in the hopes that the people who read this don't notice that I haven't made any kind of counter the traits you listed.

The truth is I'm too dumb to counter your points so I'm just going to insult your badness to try and look cool for being a douche.


O.o

  • 12.01.2011 12:14 PM PDT

If the bring a ranked mlg playlist I see no reason to take out jetpack.

  • 12.01.2011 12:15 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hi GunKoMa
Unless you're single digit onyx, I don't see jetpack abused outside of Arena. I still voted for it to be taken out though.


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  • 12.01.2011 12:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Posted by: Darkside Eric

Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: Darkside Eric

Zom mAi Gawds!

Dude your K/d is waaaaaay too low for u to be telling us what would make a balanced map that works with Jetpack.

In fact your K/D is so mind numbingly bad I'll just go ahaed keep repeating that you're bad at this game in the hopes that the people who read this don't notice that I haven't made any kind of counter the traits you listed.

The truth is I'm too dumb to counter your points so I'm just going to insult your badness to try and look cool for being a douche.


O.o

Now that I've done it the actual troll can't.

  • 12.01.2011 12:17 PM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

TheLab.


Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: Darkside Eric

Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: Darkside Eric

Zom mAi Gawds!

Dude your K/d is waaaaaay too low for u to be telling us what would make a balanced map that works with Jetpack.

In fact your K/D is so mind numbingly bad I'll just go ahaed keep repeating that you're bad at this game in the hopes that the people who read this don't notice that I haven't made any kind of counter the traits you listed.

The truth is I'm too dumb to counter your points so I'm just going to insult your badness to try and look cool for being a douche.


O.o

Now that I've done it the actual troll can't.


Don't underestimate the lengths people will go to when looking to achieve "stupid."

  • 12.01.2011 12:19 PM PDT


Ooh, I love those people, the ones who decide to throw everything and the kitchen sink at you, as if an M16 does anything to a T-90. Oh, MLG player with noobtube instead? Congrats! You blew off one of my ablative plates!

Gun, meet Bad Guy.
Bad Guy, this is Gun.


Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
Nah I read the entire post and still stick to what I said, go get a higher K/D then -blam!-, but wait you can't, seeing as you are always getting killed by these "Reachtards".

I'll believe that when your counter points actually involve something I posted rather than statchecking. Should that be stat trolling considering the more disrespectful tone you have taken on?

Come back with a point by point rebuttal. Insults will only get you through middle school.
I don't need a point, if you are -blam!-ing about jet packers/ armour lockers etc then you suck at the game.

  • 12.01.2011 12:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Posted by: Darkside Eric
Don't underestimate the lengths people will go to when looking to achieve "stupid."

In other news. . . I agree with your points, but would maps with those elements still be able to allow for good old fashioned on the ground combat without feeling to cluttered?

  • 12.01.2011 12:22 PM PDT


Ooh, I love those people, the ones who decide to throw everything and the kitchen sink at you, as if an M16 does anything to a T-90. Oh, MLG player with noobtube instead? Congrats! You blew off one of my ablative plates!

Gun, meet Bad Guy.
Bad Guy, this is Gun.


Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
Yep, of course you can't accept the truth


You said every AA is fine, thereby ignoring anything I and many other intelligent posters brought up to the contrary. There are so many legitimate threads that have been posted with evidence to the contrary. And that is regardless of how the argument is presented and who it is presented by.

Does being ignorant keep your mind at peace, or are you just trolling? Cause I can list 20 reasons why AAs are not 'fine'.

I don't need to be ignorant to know that AA's are perfectly fine and not "nooby", retarded, etc.

  • 12.01.2011 12:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

Posted by: SouthPoIe
Clone is an internet God.

Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
I don't need a point, if you are -blam!-ing about jet packers/ armour lockers etc then you suck at the game.

^ What you posted ^

v What I heard v
Posted by: RC Clone
The truth is I'm too dumb to counter your points so I'm just going to insult your badness to try and look cool for being a douche.

  • 12.01.2011 12:25 PM PDT


Ooh, I love those people, the ones who decide to throw everything and the kitchen sink at you, as if an M16 does anything to a T-90. Oh, MLG player with noobtube instead? Congrats! You blew off one of my ablative plates!

Gun, meet Bad Guy.
Bad Guy, this is Gun.


Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
I don't need a point, if you are -blam!-ing about jet packers/ armour lockers etc then you suck at the game.

^ What you posted ^

v What I heard v
Posted by: RC Clone
The truth is I'm too dumb to counter your points so I'm just going to insult your badness to try and look cool for being a douche.

Like I've already said, if you can't kill a jetpacker you are horrible at the game, stop -blam!-ing about it and learn how to pull the trigger.

  • 12.01.2011 12:27 PM PDT

Why do you guys even care? This game is a joke.

It's fun, don't need go into all this in depth stuff, the game is fine the way it is. Just stop complaining and play for fun.

  • 12.01.2011 12:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
Like I've already said, if you can't kill a jetpacker you are horrible at the game, stop -blam!-ing about it and learn how to pull the trigger.


you'll change your mind when jetpack is being abused and you spend the whole match in a spawn trap that shouldn't even be possible thanks to it.

  • 12.01.2011 12:29 PM PDT


Ooh, I love those people, the ones who decide to throw everything and the kitchen sink at you, as if an M16 does anything to a T-90. Oh, MLG player with noobtube instead? Congrats! You blew off one of my ablative plates!

Gun, meet Bad Guy.
Bad Guy, this is Gun.


Posted by: A 3 Legged Goat

Posted by: DarkAero Trooper
Like I've already said, if you can't kill a jetpacker you are horrible at the game, stop -blam!-ing about it and learn how to pull the trigger.


you'll change your mind when jetpack is being abused and you spend the whole match in a spawn trap that shouldn't even be possible thanks to it.

I've had that happen to me, well I just sit on top of a tree and watch the enemy team, they sit in vehicles, those that don't use Sprint, does that mean Sprint should be nerfed? No.

  • 12.01.2011 12:30 PM PDT

Flash Kicks beat Armor Lock.

TheLab.


Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: Darkside Eric
Don't underestimate the lengths people will go to when looking to achieve "stupid."

In other news. . . I agree with your points, but would maps with those elements still be able to allow for good old fashioned on the ground combat without feeling to cluttered?


Absolutely.

Take the Cage for example.

And some archways, alcoves, or tunnels along the main walkways, and maybe a small one in some of the main nodes.

On a more traditional map, take Abriged, remove a good 50% of it then scale it down to a proper size for 8v8 or less.

Abriged does some good things for air vs. ground... but it's WAY too big.

  • 12.01.2011 12:33 PM PDT

derp

Make this thread on Waypoint.

  • 12.01.2011 12:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Horse Repairman
RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

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Posted by: DerpRoids
RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Posted by: Darkside Eric
Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: Darkside Eric
Don't underestimate the lengths people will go to when looking to achieve "stupid."

In other news. . . I agree with your points, but would maps with those elements still be able to allow for good old fashioned on the ground combat without feeling to cluttered?


Absolutely.

Take the Cage for example.

And some archways, alcoves, or tunnels along the main walkways, and maybe a small one in some of the main nodes.

You forgot to make it less Uphill versus downhill.


On a more traditional map, take Abriged, remove a good 50% of it then scale it down to a proper size for 8v8 or less.

Abriged does some good things for air vs. ground... but it's WAY too big.

It is BtB . . .

I think the creator wanted to give breathing room for the Falcons to keep them a powerful element of gameplay on that map.

  • 12.01.2011 12:44 PM PDT