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In Halo Wars, we see Flood on the surface of the Shield World Planet. This does not make sense. Why is there flood there when HW takes place after the Halo Array was fired?

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Posted by: Onyx81
In Halo Wars, we see Flood on the surface of the Shield World Planet. This does not make sense. Why is there flood there when HW takes place after the Halo Array was fired?

No one said the SW was inside the Galaxy.

That's the best explanation that I can think of anyway.

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Yes but it would take years to get outside the galaxy and youcan also see stars.

  • 12.01.2011 9:23 PM PDT

My theory.

You find some crashed forerunner ships on the planet surface during the missions. So I think there might have been some flood infected ships, possibly heading there to get reinforcements (or smuggled onboard forerunner controlled ones returning to dock or, likewise, get reinforcement ships). They were in slipspace when the halo rings fired, and thus that killed the gravemind. When they came out of slipspace over the planet, they were in feral stage again and couldn't control the ships. Thus, they crash landed and spread over the world.

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Posted by: Onyx81
Yes but it would take years to get outside the galaxy and youcan also see stars.

Just saw the cutscene again, and you're right.

Maybe the Flood escaped from a containment lab on the surface?

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Posted by: Onyx81
In Halo Wars, we see Flood on the surface of the Shield World Planet. This does not make sense. Why is there flood there when HW takes place after the Halo Array was fired?

No one said the SW was inside the Galaxy.

That's the best explanation that I can think of anyway.


Um seeing how the flood were only present in this galaxy at that time,forerunners didn't travel to other galaxy's, and the covenant somehow got there: All points to it being in this galaxy.

I had a theory that the shield world was the location of the battle between OB and MB eons ago. It has some flaws but i thought it was a decent idea at the time.



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Yeah, how would there be any Flood-controlled worlds after the Array firing. I mean, the Forerunners WERE successful in their plan; the did eradicate the Flood, save for the specimens left on the rings.

I can't believe I didn't think of this till now.

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Posted by: GhostLink2401
Yeah, how would there be any Flood-controlled worlds after the Array firing. I mean, the Forerunners WERE successful in their plan; the did eradicate the Flood, save for the specimens left on the rings.

I can't believe I didn't think of this till now.


*points at my theory*

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: GhostLink2401
Yeah, how would there be any Flood-controlled worlds after the Array firing. I mean, the Forerunners WERE successful in their plan; the did eradicate the Flood, save for the specimens left on the rings.

I can't believe I didn't think of this till now.


*points at my theory*
I have to agree with you 100%. Since it is very likely that the Precursors made The Flood, then either they were in slipspace and crashed, or more were sent from the Magellanic clouds.

Edit: Spelling error.

[Edited on 12.02.2011 11:28 AM PST]

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Maybe this one was an installation for study like the Halos. The Covenant arrived long before Spirit of Fire, released the Flood, waged a battle for control over the surface, and lost.

SoF arrives to find the planet's surface completely overrun.

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The only problem with the research facility theory is that why would a large containment of Flood be kept on the surface of a planet that:

1. Is hollow. Wouldn't it make sense to keep them inside?

2. Has a massive fleet of Forerunner Ships in the planet. Why would would you put a Flood Research facility and a Slip-Space capable fleet of the most powerful ships in the galaxy on one planet?

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Yeah, containment/research sites on this particular forerunner installation make no sense. It doesn't have anything that can contain it very well. Heck, even then they only were able to hold the inside (with the flood actively trying to push in, maybe to get at the Covenant?)

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Posted by: Onyx81
The only problem with the research facility theory is that why would a large containment of Flood be kept on the surface of a planet that:

1. Is hollow. Wouldn't it make sense to keep them inside?

2. Has a massive fleet of Forerunner Ships in the planet. Why would would you put a Flood Research facility and a Slip-Space capable fleet of the most powerful ships in the galaxy on one planet?


Why would you have Flood specimens on an array that is capable of wiping out almost anything living in the range of 25,000 light years?

It's clear the Forrunners wanted as much as possible to research the Flood. It was likely they intended to stay inside the Shield world for the firing of the Halos, so they probably had containment facilities on the surface for use when they came back out.

But seeing as that plan was never enacted, the facilities and their specimens stayed put until the Covenant/SoF skirmish event.

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Posted by: Onyx81
The only problem with the research facility theory is that why would a large containment of Flood be kept on the surface of a planet that:

1. Is hollow. Wouldn't it make sense to keep them inside?

2. Has a massive fleet of Forerunner Ships in the planet. Why would would you put a Flood Research facility and a Slip-Space capable fleet of the most powerful ships in the galaxy on one planet?


Why would you have Flood specimens on an array that is capable of wiping out almost anything living in the range of 25,000 light years?

It's clear the Forrunners wanted as much as possible to research the Flood. It was likely they intended to stay inside the Shield world for the firing of the Halos, so they probably had containment facilities on the surface for use when they came back out.

But seeing as that plan was never enacted, the facilities and their specimens stayed put until the Covenant/SoF skirmish event.

The only reason why there was Flood on the Halos was because The Master Builder wanted to see the effects it had on the San'Shyuum and other organisms. I believe that since The Didact was against the Halos and wanted SWs, he would not have let containment facilities to be placed on his Installations. Especially because The Master Builder did not even know where they were located.

This pretty much has to prove that there was Flood on the surface because Flood infested ships crashed onto them. And to think, the entire war would have been averted had they listened to The Didact.

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Posted by: chotato
smart, interesting, seems out of place.


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The same reason there is Flood on Installation 04, Installation 05, and almost every other Installation. The Flood was to be researched on the Halo Array and some of the Shield Worlds scattered throughout the galaxy, in the hopes of recreating the Cure.

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
The same reason there is Flood on Installation 04, Installation 05, and almost every other Installation. The Flood was to be researched on the Halo Array and some of the Shield Worlds scattered throughout the galaxy, in the hopes of recreating the Cure.


I understand flood stations on halos, or within the same system (the gas mine + flood lab near 04). If an outbreak occurs, the monitor can deal with it quickly.

But, on a shield world there is nothing that could deal with an outbreak, as clear by the surface of the world entirely being covered by flood.

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Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
The same reason there is Flood on Installation 04, Installation 05, and almost every other Installation. The Flood was to be researched on the Halo Array and some of the Shield Worlds scattered throughout the galaxy, in the hopes of recreating the Cure.


I understand flood stations on halos, or within the same system (the gas mine + flood lab near 04). If an outbreak occurs, the monitor can deal with it quickly.

But, on a shield world there is nothing that could deal with an outbreak, as clear by the surface of the world entirely being covered by flood.


Don't forget those handy warships in the planet though.

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I feel like my post was utterly ignored... I might be wrong but I felt like it was a good theory/info from Halo: Cryptum.

Edit: Clarification of the right-facing slash.

[Edited on 12.02.2011 12:27 PM PST]

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Posted by: Sandtrap

Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
The same reason there is Flood on Installation 04, Installation 05, and almost every other Installation. The Flood was to be researched on the Halo Array and some of the Shield Worlds scattered throughout the galaxy, in the hopes of recreating the Cure.


I understand flood stations on halos, or within the same system (the gas mine + flood lab near 04). If an outbreak occurs, the monitor can deal with it quickly.

But, on a shield world there is nothing that could deal with an outbreak, as clear by the surface of the world entirely being covered by flood.


Don't forget those handy warships in the planet though.


With nobody to crew them/activate them.

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: Ktan Dantaktee
The same reason there is Flood on Installation 04, Installation 05, and almost every other Installation. The Flood was to be researched on the Halo Array and some of the Shield Worlds scattered throughout the galaxy, in the hopes of recreating the Cure.


I understand flood stations on halos, or within the same system (the gas mine + flood lab near 04). If an outbreak occurs, the monitor can deal with it quickly.

But, on a shield world there is nothing that could deal with an outbreak, as clear by the surface of the world entirely being covered by flood.


Don't forget those handy warships in the planet though.


With nobody to crew them/activate them.


Yes, but my point was, if the surface was infected and the Forrunners were inside, they could pop out with those handy ships and start scrubbing the muck off their home. That might've been why they were there in the first place.

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I can understand Flood on Halo. Halo has an enormous sentinel population with various counter measures for the Flood. The only known counter measure on the SW is cleansing rings to keep the flood outside of the SW, but even then it didn't stop them. Not to mention, we don't even know the full capabilities of a Halo being moved after they were moved to the firing positions.

So why would the Forerunners put Flood on a planet with the most known powerful fleet in the galaxy?

  • 12.02.2011 1:08 PM PDT

If the theory that the Precursors created the Flood is true, then maybe in addion to trying to find the cure, the Forerunners were trying to dissect how the Precursors created the Flood in the first place, you know, to figure out how to create life and advance their species to the level that the Precursors were at (level 0).

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If the theory that the Precursors created the Flood is true, then maybe in addion to trying to find the cure, the Forerunners were trying to dissect how the Precursors created the Flood in the first place, you know, to figure out how to create life and advance their species to the level that the Precursors were at (level 0).
Except how does this add to the discussion at hand?

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Posted by: Onyx81
In Halo Wars, we see Flood on the surface of the Shield World Planet. This does not make sense. Why is there flood there when HW takes place after the Halo Array was fired?

No one said the SW was inside the Galaxy.

That's the best explanation that I can think of anyway.


Um seeing how the flood were only present in this galaxy at that time,forerunners didn't travel to other galaxy's, and the covenant somehow got there: All points to it being in this galaxy.

I had a theory that the shield world was the location of the battle between OB and MB eons ago. It has some flaws but i thought it was a decent idea at the time.


There would be an insane amount of debris; millions upon millions of ships were involved in that battle, most destroyed and many just left hanging as their pilots were wiped out by the Halo effect.

Even 100,000 years later you'd still see an almost solid cloud of wrecked ships.

It's possible such debris was cleared by Sentinels, yes (unlikely though as we do not see them leave the inner-shield world). But that brings me to another counter-argument;

By 'Maginot sphere,' OB didn't literally mean a sphere like the Halo Wars shield world. He meant a line of defence, with his ships arrayed in the shape of a sphere -- this implies that they were encompassing something. Originally the Didact refers to it as a 'line' -- from this one can infer that at first the defence forces stretched out across a considerable distance, but after some time they were forced into a tight sphere; the location of this sphere would of course be of great importance, something worthy of protecting.

Given how MB and the Flood's attack was launched at the eleventh hour before the Halo array was fired, this implies that he was embarking upon an all-out assault in an attempt to stop the array being fired.

This leaves the object the Maginot sphere was positioned around either a Halo ring or the Ark. I'm more given to believe the latter due to the fact that after achieving victory over Mendicant Bias, OB transported his fragments to Installation 00 and that was his first thought after victory -- this implies that he chose the nearest installation; the Ark.

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