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Subject: How can there be Flood on the surface of the SW?
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Posted by: Wolverfrog

Posted by: grey101

Posted by: jross1993
Posted by: Onyx81
In Halo Wars, we see Flood on the surface of the Shield World Planet. This does not make sense. Why is there flood there when HW takes place after the Halo Array was fired?

No one said the SW was inside the Galaxy.

That's the best explanation that I can think of anyway.


Um seeing how the flood were only present in this galaxy at that time,forerunners didn't travel to other galaxy's, and the covenant somehow got there: All points to it being in this galaxy.

I had a theory that the shield world was the location of the battle between OB and MB eons ago. It has some flaws but i thought it was a decent idea at the time.


There would be an insane amount of debris; millions upon millions of ships were involved in that battle, most destroyed and many just left hanging as their pilots were wiped out by the Halo effect.

Even 100,000 years later you'd still see an almost solid cloud of wrecked ships.

It's possible such debris was cleared by Sentinels, yes (unlikely though as we do not see them leave the inner-shield world). But that brings me to another counter-argument;

By 'Maginot sphere,' OB didn't literally mean a sphere like the Halo Wars shield world. He meant a line of defence, with his ships arrayed in the shape of a sphere -- this implies that they were encompassing something. Originally the Didact refers to it as a 'line' -- from this one can infer that at first the defence forces stretched out across a considerable distance, but after some time they were forced into a tight sphere; the location of this sphere would of course be of great importance, something worthy of protecting.

Given how MB and the Flood's attack was launched at the eleventh hour before the Halo array was fired, this implies that he was embarking upon an all-out assault in an attempt to stop the array being fired.

This leaves the object the Maginot sphere was positioned around either a Halo ring or the Ark. I'm more given to believe the latter due to the fact that after achieving victory over Mendicant Bias, OB transported his fragments to Installation 00 and that was his first thought after victory -- this implies that he chose the nearest installation; the Ark.


Wow. It's great to see someone else who knows about this stuff. You have my thanks sir.

  • 12.02.2011 4:04 PM PDT
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But if there was a massive amounts of debris around the Ark, why don't we see it? i mean if Gravemind, if is trans-sentient, why wouldn't he immediately try to go there right after he gained control of a space worthy ship?

  • 12.02.2011 8:50 PM PDT


Posted by: Onyx81
But if there was a massive amounts of debris around the Ark, why don't we see it? i mean if Gravemind, if is trans-sentient, why wouldn't he immediately try to go there right after he gained control of a space worthy ship?


Maybe the battlefield is still a hefty distance away, but within such distance a forerunner ship could make the journey.

  • 12.02.2011 10:28 PM PDT


Posted by: Onyx81
But if there was a massive amounts of debris around the Ark, why don't we see it? i mean if Gravemind, if is trans-sentient, why wouldn't he immediately try to go there right after he gained control of a space worthy ship?


I assume the Sentinels cleared it all. I realised that might have happened at the shield world too (although less likely,) so I threw in some other opposing evidence too.

I also assumed that the only way to reach the Ark was via the portal. Perhaps it's too far out otherwise, or there's something else.

[Edited on 12.03.2011 1:15 AM PST]

  • 12.03.2011 1:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wolverfrog
I also assumed that the only way to reach the Ark was via the portal. Perhaps it's too far out otherwise, or there's something else.


No, I think that that's correct. In Cryptum there's a portal to the Ark at the Capital, there's never an instance where we see anyone get to the Ark any other way so what you said is perfectly reasonable.

  • 12.03.2011 3:13 AM PDT

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Still using a pump-action shotgun over 500 years in the future I see.

omg not realistic stop game production plz

This has probably been already brought up, but there's a lot of debris on the exterior of the Halo 4 sphere. Linked to the MB/OB battle?

  • 12.03.2011 5:38 AM PDT

Oh. From the title I was expecting a thread about the flood being in Star Wars. Rats...

  • 12.03.2011 6:46 AM PDT

I think it's likely the Flood somehow survived within the Shield World, or within the "crust" and then moved outwards instead of in after the Halos had been fired.

Those crashed ships mentioned earlier probably are from a space battle between the Flood and Forerunners above the Shield World and the cause of the Flood being on the SW.

  • 12.03.2011 7:39 AM PDT
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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: jross1993
Posted by: Onyx81
In Halo Wars, we see Flood on the surface of the Shield World Planet. This does not make sense. Why is there flood there when HW takes place after the Halo Array was fired?

No one said the SW was inside the Galaxy.

That's the best explanation that I can think of anyway.


Um seeing how the flood were only present in this galaxy at that time,forerunners didn't travel to other galaxy's, and the covenant somehow got there: All points to it being in this galaxy.

I had a theory that the shield world was the location of the battle between OB and MB eons ago. It has some flaws but i thought it was a decent idea at the time.


There would be an insane amount of debris; millions upon millions of ships were involved in that battle, most destroyed and many just left hanging as their pilots were wiped out by the Halo effect.

Even 100,000 years later you'd still see an almost solid cloud of wrecked ships.

It's possible such debris was cleared by Sentinels, yes (unlikely though as we do not see them leave the inner-shield world). But that brings me to another counter-argument;

By 'Maginot sphere,' OB didn't literally mean a sphere like the Halo Wars shield world. He meant a line of defence, with his ships arrayed in the shape of a sphere -- this implies that they were encompassing something. Originally the Didact refers to it as a 'line' -- from this one can infer that at first the defence forces stretched out across a considerable distance, but after some time they were forced into a tight sphere; the location of this sphere would of course be of great importance, something worthy of protecting.

Given how MB and the Flood's attack was launched at the eleventh hour before the Halo array was fired, this implies that he was embarking upon an all-out assault in an attempt to stop the array being fired.

This leaves the object the Maginot sphere was positioned around either a Halo ring or the Ark. I'm more given to believe the latter due to the fact that after achieving victory over Mendicant Bias, OB transported his fragments to Installation 00 and that was his first thought after victory -- this implies that he chose the nearest installation; the Ark.



Mendicant Bias had 4.8 million ships in which An extremely small amount were actually warships. Majority of the ships were commercial vessels and small military strike craft. While Offensive Bias indeed had Around 11,000 ships they were all military craft.

Your lack of accuracy is over exaggerating the events not to mention you must not have read the terminal well. The smaller ships would have been completely obliterated by the sheer firepower and the final remaining ships would have been destroyed by ships self destructing and slipspace ruptures.




The maginot sphere is a line of defense probably for the "inner" forerunner colonies, which is why didact wants his wife to return somewhere he knows he can protect her. Earth isn't within the sphere nor is the ark the two places we know the didact isn't at. And seeing how OB stalled for 4 hours That shows the didact wasn't at nor heading to the Ark.
Slipspace is all F****d up at that point so the for hours traveling was at sublight speed; like the voyage bornsteller took from earth to mars. It would take far more than 4 hours for Didact to reach the ark not to mention he would have no reason to wait that long. That along with everything I and others have said in this thread shows (Again) that he was at installation 4 not the ark.


What logic is that? "OB went to the ark first therefore it is the closest location." He most likely went to the ark since that was the last major forerunner establishment at that point. That and to catalogue his report of the battle since he clearly said it is unlikely it will be read by who it is intended for. Which would be the didact.

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Why was there a Gravemind on Delta Halo? Because it had been there for a very long time. Not even Forerunner quarantine is unbreakable. The shield world likely had containment facilities which were supposed to be overseen by the forerunners and so were not assigned a Monitor. This resulted in these facilities not being maintained, resulting in a breach of quarantine, this likely happened thousands of years ago and gave the flood the time to grow to massive proportions.

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