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Subject: The Dreadnought on the Prophet's Homeworld

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

I always found it weird that the Forerunners would leave such a powerful tool lying around, especially to a race who are not the Reclaimers. This could cause potential power struggles later on down the line over perceived inheritance. So I wondered how a Forerunner Keyship made its way onto the Prophets home world then.

Crazy idea, but what if the Forerunners were trying to recreate the conditions, as best they could, under which the Flood cure arose. One of those conditions would be the Human/San-Shyuum alliance. The cure arose when that alliance was still valid (IIRC). Therefore the Forerunners could be trying to fix things up so that the two races would eventually meet again. How to do this? Well, the Keyship opens the portal, and if I remember rightly from what the Librarian said in the Terminals, she destroyed all of her Keyships on her side of the Maginot Line. This would mean that this is quite possibly the last Keyship left; a ship that can interface with the Ark portal. However, where is the Portal? On Earth, Humanity's home world. Essentially, the San-Shyuum would have the Key but the door is on Humanity's turf. The Forerunner could have been trying to set up a scenario where the two would cooperate to gain access to the Ark, and thus recreating the alliance that the cure was born from. (Not without risk though, as they could equally start fighting over their toys, which is evidently what happened in the end...)

Could be an explanation as to why such a powerful ship was left practically lying around for anyone to claim.

  • 12.02.2011 5:19 PM PDT
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It was because the forerunners wanted to save all sentient species and since the prophets were sentient, they were sent to the ark and returned to their homeworld after the halos fired

  • 12.02.2011 5:40 PM PDT

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I always assumed it just crashed there. Odd coincidence, but still.

  • 12.02.2011 8:40 PM PDT

That could very well be true, I'd always just assumed it was a simple matter of separating the lock from the key, but your explanation sounds just as plausible. Maybe the Dreadnought is what the Prophets were reseeded on their own world in.

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Wasn't it that Mendicant Bias (or a shard of him) was piloting the keyship?

I assumed that the keyship was piloted away by MB in an effort to escape the wars.

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Posted by: anton1792
Essentially, the San-Shyuum would have the Key but the door is on Humanity's turf.


You sir have surpassed until i can think of something greater than this! ;) (Starts working on datapad thread).This is a brilliant Idea.


OB takes MB back to the ark; though we don't know what happens to OB it is possible after a long time out MB tells OB he wishes to change,to atone. MB gets his fragments scattered across places that both races would eventually end up (Janjur Qom,Earth, and the Ark) to ensure that he won't try another scheme.
Based off the context of MB in contact Harvest I think that the San Shyuum were suppose to mess with MB sooner so he takes them to The nearest human planet. They meet up,he takes them to the Ark and they sooner or later start working on a cure. Which also explains why the librarian left samples of the flood around.


I am honestly just going to consider this correct seeing how much sense it makes. What we don't understand is what humanity was suppose to get out of the deal. The San Shyuum pretty much had advance technology spat at them while humanity was left alone. That could have been done to give the San Shyuum the upper hand when they might humanity since we are violent.


I would like to know where the other races come into play with this plan though. Sanghelios has a S***load of forerunner ruins on it aswell (If that is even their homeworld), The Lekgolo were ignored but they still have ruins on Te. I am willing to bet on the Sangheili being involved somehow. It was implied they had a Gea in "The Flood" and 343's statement in the threshold Terminal doesn't sit with me.



Bravo Anton.

  • 12.03.2011 8:14 AM PDT

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It's plausible, but it seems a little...sketchy. It seems like quite a gamble; hoping on the Humans just getting on brilliantly with an alien race (the San Shyuum) that arrive at Earth looking for a portal. Plus, how would they know where the portal was? The Humans certainly wouldn't know.

All in all, it's not impossible, it just seems that the Forerunners would be counting on too many things to go right.

...although it is admittedly not unknown for them to be a little too trusting of their own plans.

[Edited on 12.03.2011 8:26 AM PST]

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Posted by: CoolCJ24
It's plausible, but it seems a little...sketchy. It seems like quite a gamble; hoping on the Humans just getting on brilliantly with an alien race (the San Shyuum) that arrive at Earth looking for a portal. Plus, how would they know where the portal was? The Humans certainly wouldn't know.



The terminals (or IRIS?) stated we would find the portal when we were advanced enough. The San Shyuum wouldn't be able to understand the dreadnought until they were advanced enough either.

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Fantastc idea, Anton. Very plausible, and even links with the idea I had that the Forerunners are nurturing humanity.

  • 12.03.2011 9:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: SonicJohn
Wasn't it that Mendicant Bias (or a shard of him) was piloting the keyship?

I assumed that the keyship was piloted away by MB in an effort to escape the wars.

Admittedly this is the biggest issue, something which I never initially considered. The Keyship was probably one of those that he piloted away when he sent some vessels elsewhere, OB guessed to try to gain a foothold inside the Maginot sphere. Opog's theory suggests that he put a piece of himself on one of those ships, which was the Keyship, and it eventually found its way onto the Prophet's home world which seems a likely course of action. Ultimately it depends on "When". If it fled to the Prophet's planet before the reseeding effort then the question as to why it was left there by the Forerunners I think still stands. Surely they would detect it? Although against this is that MB was able to hide successfully through this, and the question of why the Forerunners would even think of leaving a shard of a potentially dangerous and powerful AI there as well which could potentially screw up their plans.

I think a change of perspective is required then. It is probably not the Forerunners intentions then. Too much evidence goes against it. The only thing salvaging this idea is that perhaps it was MB's plan, as a part of his atonement? Back to the "When" question, the ship could have crashed there after the reseeding effort. (And probably did UNLESS MB was able to hide from the Forerunner when they were repopulating the planet) How long was this fragment of Mendicant roaming the galaxy for? In that time he may have come to realize that what he did was wrong, like what we see anyway in Contact Harvest and the Terminals, and put together his own plan to rebuild faith in the Mantle and a galaxy that could one day defeat the Flood. This shard has to have come to some sort of realization at some point, and he could have chosen to set down on the Prophet's home world to start the plan rebuild that alliance.


Posted by: CoolCJ24
It's plausible, but it seems a little...sketchy. It seems like quite a gamble; hoping on the Humans just getting on brilliantly with an alien race (the San Shyuum) that arrive at Earth looking for a portal. Plus, how would they know where the portal was? The Humans certainly wouldn't know.

All in all, it's not impossible, it just seems that the Forerunners would be counting on too many things to go right.

...although it is admittedly not unknown for them to be a little too trusting of their own plans.

I think that it is now improbable to have been the Forerunners, simply because of the existence of MB's shard inside of that ship. However, if it was a part of MB's plan to ensure that the right conditions under which the Flood were defeated are met again (As a part of his atonement) then it is more probable that the issue of finding the portal would be solved by MB eventually intervening when he knew that both Humanity and the Prophets are ready for such a thing. He knew about the Prophets, but not about Humanity, until Contact Harvest where he gets confirmation that Humanity are also at the stage necessary.

  • 12.03.2011 10:12 AM PDT