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Subject: The Forerunners are nurturing humanity? -- a revised theory

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: grey101
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Posted by: grey101
the Didact living


I still do not see anything explicitly saying that the Didact is dead. The opening of Cryptum and the Terminals in Halo 3 suggest that he is very much alive, he wouldn't have died from the Halos because he fired the Rings at the Ark. He could have gone into timeless xankara again and I very much doubt that age would be a factor because cryptum establishes that natural deaths are extremely rare for the Forerunners.


Read this thread

and this response


Vocieferous seems to believe that Didact fired the Rings from the Ark.


From the Terminals:
How formal of you, Librarian. We're receiving shipments of indexed beings more frequently than communications. Don't compound scarcity with brevity.

This line clearly shows that the Didact is at the Ark, the Librarian is shipping indexed/catalogued beings to him - which were all stored at the Ark.

Later, the Librarian says:
Something is wrong! It's moving away! At night I can see it - flitting shadows - black against the stars. Thousands of ships! Not spiraling outward but heading for the line. This is the tipping, Didact. It's no longer feeding.

It's coming for you.


To which he later replies:
Mendicant Bias is trying to prevent us from firing the Array. He speeds back to the Ark, but he won't succeed. Offensive Bias will stop him, and I will burn this stinking menace in your name.

And then? I will begin our Great Journey without you, carrying this bitter record. Those who come after will know what we bought with this [false transcendence]-what you bought, and the price you paid.


Now why would Mendicant Bias go to the Ark if the Didact was at a Halo? that wouldn't make sense, he could just send the Flood to whatever Installation the Didact was on with his 5/6 million ships and destroy it, yet he goes to the Ark, the place where ALL the Halos can be SIMULTANEOUSLY fired and therefore the place it would make the most sense for the Didact to be.

Then he mentions the 'great journey', we know, however, that what Didact is mentioning here appears to be wholly physical rather than the transformation into a deity. He states that he will be carrying this record and that others will know the error in the Forerunners' ways - the 'false transcendence' refers to the Mantle and the atrocity it led to.

It sounds as though the Forerunners were definitely leaving their place on the Ark, but rather than an ascending to glory, they're descending into shame and personal disgust. And, as we know, they exiled themselves beyond the orion Arm (presumably to hide from their betrayal of the galaxy through the Array, not wanting to live in the same place as the very worlds they abandoned hope on upon the Flood's arrival).

What he says toward the end of the IRIS story text seems to indicate that Didact is alive.

It's done. By my hands. The pyrrhic solution is ignited. All I have left is the quiet of space to lull me to sleep.

I will dream of you.


The Didact has already fired the Halos here. It hints strongly that when taking part in the Forerunners' Great Journey, he would exist somewhere in space, possibly in a state of suspended animation, but clearly alone now that he has lost Librarian. Again, perhaps in timeless xankara where he shall remain.

Then there's the opening of Cryptum where the Didact/Bornstellar is about to tell the story of the Forerunners, yet he is saying it in the past tense and seemingly to someone.

And there's the rather ominous end of Terminal 10 in CEA, whilst Spark is talking hypothetically, clearly the fact that the Didact plays such a prominent role in the present tense with his emblem being the last thing we see is more significant than just saying, "oh if only that dead guy was here".

I am not at all convinced that the Didact is dead, until something outright states that he is and proves me wrong, I say he's alive.

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We are all going to get banned aren't we?

All of that was retorted to in said threads.

  • 12.05.2011 10:57 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: grey101
All of that was retorted to in said threads.


No it wasn't... o_O

Halo legends was a summary of the events that was to sum up for the generic player. If what you say is true why didn't they show didact at the ark? Since many players that don't know better are going to take this frame by frame that is highly misleading especially since many don't know about didact.

Origins was Cortana's interpretation of events, she said:
"I can only guess some of this - fill in the gaps."

Like the scenes where humanity and the Covenant are united and Gravemind gives Cortana back to John, those are VERY misleading because they didn't happen. Origins is not a valid source to use to back up an in-depth argument.

[Edited on 12.05.2011 11:10 AM PST]

  • 12.05.2011 11:02 AM PDT

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I'd also imagine that Forerunner Geas would play a heavy role in this. For example, bit convenient that we just happened to build a mega-city right on top of the portal and effectively conceal it until the time was right, eh?


Ofcourse Gea come into this; Though i don't see Africa and the timing to add up seeing how the humans weren't ready given the conditions of that finding.


The conditions are irrelevant.


No they aren't, the only reason the portal was found is because Regret knew it was there and did a slipspace jump. Had that not have happened humanity wouldn't have known about it thus they weren't ready for it. If they found it by themselves and excavated it alone then they would have been ready since they had the technology, and knowledge to do so; Which was coming close according to ODST.

Did you just alter his post to your benefit?!
Why is it that the more I read of what you say the more I distrust you?

  • 12.05.2011 2:22 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

I don't see the game Reach as canon at all, but its a good theory.

  • 12.05.2011 6:10 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.


Posted by: cameo_cream
I don't see the game Reach as canon at all, but its a good theory.
relevance?

  • 12.09.2011 11:24 PM PDT

To be honest, when I first saw all this in the weekly update I thought 2 things.
#1- there is an actual legendary ending but,
#2- No matter what anyone does,(kill all the bobs, hit all switches etc) that until the "time" mentioned in "There'll be another time..." is reached there won't be a legendary ending.

The weekly update by bungie has slowed my hardcore search for what unlocks the legendary ending.

I could have used your help earlier today.
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Posted by: grey101
All of that was retorted to in said threads.


No it wasn't... o_O

Halo legends was a summary of the events that was to sum up for the generic player. If what you say is true why didn't they show didact at the ark? Since many players that don't know better are going to take this frame by frame that is highly misleading especially since many don't know about didact.

Origins was Cortana's interpretation of events, she said:
"I can only guess some of this - fill in the gaps."

Like the scenes where humanity and the Covenant are united and Gravemind gives Cortana back to John, those are VERY misleading because they didn't happen. Origins is not a valid source to use to back up an in-depth argument.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

He wouldn't have helped you.

There are already 3 sources other than legends that point to didact being at 03. The thing about origins is you people that know their canon can pick what is true and what isn't. I find it interesting how him being at the ring is "misleading" and shouldn't be taken as a fact; yet, if he was shown at the Ark it would be 100 percent fine. Despite there not being any evidence that he activated the rings from the ark.

  • 12.14.2011 3:44 PM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

If he activated a Halo on site it would only activate that particular ring. In order to fire them all he would have had to have been on the Ark. Am I missing something?

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: switch 104 sv
If he activated a Halo on site it would only activate that particular ring. In order to fire them all he would have had to have been on the Ark. Am I missing something?


The other rings go off soon as one is fired.

If didact did survive then he would have been around to read OB's report. Not to mention it wouldn't take him 4 hours to get to the ark.

  • 12.14.2011 4:10 PM PDT

http://www.halo-forum.com

What makes you say that firing one ring will auto-fire the rest?

[Edited on 12.14.2011 4:13 PM PST]

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?

With 343 saying in CE "but once the others follow suit" and hall the rings going to standby after 05 was stopped.

It makes sense logically.


We know in cryptum that slipspace use has pretty much come to a standstill due to being overused. Not to mention the only way you can get to the ark is by portal Via keyship. So if all the keyships are destroyed you have no way to the ark, cannot light all the rings, thus the flood wins.


If you can activate all the rings from one ring that helps with slipspace being unreliable since you can go to the nearest ring. You wouldn't have to go through the elaborate process of finding a keyeship then finding a portal, then lighting all the rings.

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Posted by: grey101
With 343 saying in CE "but once the others follow suit" and hall the rings going to standby after 05 was stopped.

It makes sense logically.


We know in cryptum that slipspace use has pretty much come to a standstill due to being overused. Not to mention the only way you can get to the ark is by portal Via keyship. So if all the keyships are destroyed you have no way to the ark, cannot light all the rings, thus the flood wins.


If you can activate all the rings from one ring that helps with slipspace being unreliable since you can go to the nearest ring. You wouldn't have to go through the elaborate process of finding a keyeship then finding a portal, then lighting all the rings.


"Logic" is not support. If you're going to make a postulation, give concrete, quotable material, THEN expound upon it. I can say that the Prisoner is a Precursor but without evidence to support my claim, it comes to naught.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Dante536

Posted by: grey101
With 343 saying in CE "but once the others follow suit" and hall the rings going to standby after 05 was stopped.

It makes sense logically.


We know in cryptum that slipspace use has pretty much come to a standstill due to being overused. Not to mention the only way you can get to the ark is by portal Via keyship. So if all the keyships are destroyed you have no way to the ark, cannot light all the rings, thus the flood wins.


If you can activate all the rings from one ring that helps with slipspace being unreliable since you can go to the nearest ring. You wouldn't have to go through the elaborate process of finding a keyeship then finding a portal, then lighting all the rings.


"Logic" is not support. If you're going to make a postulation, give concrete, quotable material, THEN expound upon it. I can say that the Prisoner is a Precursor but without evidence to support my claim, it comes to naught.

Logic is support seeing how we explain our actions.

I have already made my points in the threads linked on the last page. i am not going to explain myself in every single post for every single random member,

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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: Dante536

Posted by: grey101
With 343 saying in CE "but once the others follow suit" and hall the rings going to standby after 05 was stopped.

It makes sense logically.


We know in cryptum that slipspace use has pretty much come to a standstill due to being overused. Not to mention the only way you can get to the ark is by portal Via keyship. So if all the keyships are destroyed you have no way to the ark, cannot light all the rings, thus the flood wins.


If you can activate all the rings from one ring that helps with slipspace being unreliable since you can go to the nearest ring. You wouldn't have to go through the elaborate process of finding a keyeship then finding a portal, then lighting all the rings.


"Logic" is not support. If you're going to make a postulation, give concrete, quotable material, THEN expound upon it. I can say that the Prisoner is a Precursor but without evidence to support my claim, it comes to naught.

Logic is support seeing how we explain our actions.

I have already made my points in the threads linked on the last page. i am not going to explain myself in every single post for every single random member,


I have read every single post of this thread. I was not saying you have no support. I said that you did not have support for said postulate. Merely saying "logically" does not make something logical. That is my contention.

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You were once a "random" member as well. You're not exactly Snakie. Learn some respect. I may be a noble member but that does not make you superior in any way, grey101.

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Dante536
You were once a "random" member as well. You're not exactly Snakie. Learn some respect. I may be a noble member but that does not make you superior in any way, grey101.


I don't care for snakie nor would i ever want to be like him. We are completely different and it will stay that way. I have respect and respect is earned. I don't know you and you don't know me, thus we have no reason to respect each other.

If you want the information then look for it. It has been posted several times.

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How rude

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Five exclamations marks are a good signifier of an insane mind. As is trying to hide from Death in an airtight room. Silly wizard.


Posted by: Dante536
How rude

Not really. Respect must be earned. So far I have not seen a reason to respect you. I will be polite and listen to your ideas but respect has not yet been earned. No offence.

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None taken. You stated your position without rancor. I stated my belief that grey101 did not have evidence of his supposition. I did not attack him. I was attempting to find a source of verification.

  • 12.14.2011 5:42 PM PDT

Thanks for pointing me towards this thread in the CEA Terminals discussion. When I originally read that Reach was less than one billion years old it was pretty odd. You did a good job putting it all together.

  • 12.14.2011 6:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
With 343 saying in CE "but once the others follow suit" and hall the rings going to standby after 05 was stopped.

It makes sense logically.


We know in cryptum that slipspace use has pretty much come to a standstill due to being overused. Not to mention the only way you can get to the ark is by portal Via keyship. So if all the keyships are destroyed you have no way to the ark, cannot light all the rings, thus the flood wins.


If you can activate all the rings from one ring that helps with slipspace being unreliable since you can go to the nearest ring. You wouldn't have to go through the elaborate process of finding a keyeship then finding a portal, then lighting all the rings.


....so what was the purpose of the console on the Ark, when we could activate all the rings from any ring?

It would be quite the hastle as the Ark is so far away.

  • 12.14.2011 10:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: grey101
I saw nothing in that passage detailing an actual precursor saying or at the very least implying that they passed the mantle down to the Forerunners. Nor Did i see anything stating what the original mantle was and a comparison on the forerunner interpretation.
The Precursors probably never meant to pass the Mantle down to the Forerunners. Something happened when the Forerunners betrayed the Precursors. Perhaps the Forerunners turned on the Precursors because of a disagreement about the Flood. Whatever happened between the Forerunners and Precursors, the Forerunners forcefully proclaimed themselves as the up-keepers of the Mantle.

Posted by: grey101
My point is that they clearly pick and chose when this so called "Mantle" should be applied; perfect case being them de-evolving humanity and only stopping there because they could cure the flood. If humanity didn't have the cure they would have been wiped out. Where in the mantle was that allowed?
It was agreed upon by the Forerunner's Council that to completely wipe out the Human race would contradict their supposed calling to uphold the Mantle. The Forerunners didn't know that the Humans found a cure to the Flood until the Didact himself came to the revelation, much later in the timeline, according to Cryptum.



Posted by: grey101
The point i am trying to establish (And failing) is that the true reason and circumstances around that reason have yet to be officially stated. And that the concept of "The Mantle" has a possibility of being conjured up by the forerunners themselves to give them more importance. If not then it has been degraded extremely over the eons.
I agree with Wolves' theory that the Didact and Librarian left behind relics, but I don't think that the entire Forerunner race magically started to respect the Humans.

  • 12.14.2011 11:33 PM PDT

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An army of sheep led by a lion would defeat an army of lions led by a sheep.

i enjoyed reading, but your theory brought up visions of unicorns and blam. in conclusion, seven is darker.. and i'm holding seven for ransom.. or something

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


Posted by: Ulicies756

Posted by: grey101
I saw nothing in that passage detailing an actual precursor saying or at the very least implying that they passed the mantle down to the Forerunners. Nor Did i see anything stating what the original mantle was and a comparison on the forerunner interpretation.
The Precursors probably never meant to pass the Mantle down to the Forerunners. Something happened when the Forerunners betrayed the Precursors. Perhaps the Forerunners turned on the Precursors because of a disagreement about the Flood. Whatever happened between the Forerunners and Precursors, the Forerunners forcefully proclaimed themselves as the up-keepers of the Mantle.

Posted by: grey101
My point is that they clearly pick and chose when this so called "Mantle" should be applied; perfect case being them de-evolving humanity and only stopping there because they could cure the flood. If humanity didn't have the cure they would have been wiped out. Where in the mantle was that allowed?
It was agreed upon by the Forerunner's Council that to completely wipe out the Human race would contradict their supposed calling to uphold the Mantle. The Forerunners didn't know that the Humans found a cure to the Flood until the Didact himself came to the revelation, much later in the timeline, according to Cryptum.



Posted by: grey101
The point i am trying to establish (And failing) is that the true reason and circumstances around that reason have yet to be officially stated. And that the concept of "The Mantle" has a possibility of being conjured up by the forerunners themselves to give them more importance. If not then it has been degraded extremely over the eons.
I agree with Wolves' theory that the Didact and Librarian left behind relics, but I don't think that the entire Forerunner race magically started to respect the Humans.


1. We don't know what really happened with the two races. Everything you posted is just conjecture.

2.No it wasn't and i want a page number for that. Faber said to the San Shyuum Himself that the only reason they were alive was because of the cure, you really think that doesn't apply to the humans?

3. "Wolver's theory"? How is it "His theory" when Anton,AJW and others have said the same thing long before he reappeared? I find it funny how you say this and then say "The didact and librarian", because I[b] am always the one to point out they are behind everything, not the entire forerunner race.



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....so what was the purpose of the console on the Ark, when we could activate all the rings from any ring?

It would be quite the hastle as the Ark is so far away.

I don't know if you are trying to make a joke or not. You do know what the point of the ark is right? Why it is outside of the galaxy and so large?

[Edited on 12.15.2011 6:32 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2011 6:31 AM PDT