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  • Poll [49 votes]: Witch vehicle do you like best?
Subject: Shee or Hog?
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Poll: Witch vehicle do you like best?  [closed]
Hog:  67%
(33 Votes)
Shee:  33%
(16 Votes)
Total Votes: 49

Mine is...........................................?

  • 09.16.2004 11:49 AM PDT
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Shee's get right up my nose!When they appear in games there's always someone who can't fight properly who resorts to whoring one and usually hangs around the enemy base,whichever that is...I can't stand people doing it to my team and I'm tempted to shoot down any team mate who does the same!If it wasn't for the ban system,I would!I don't condone TK'ing,but if people aren't playing fair...Still won't do it myself though...Would rather just go to a server that hasn't got any Banshees on...

[Edited on 9/16/2004 11:55:46 AM]

  • 09.16.2004 11:55 AM PDT
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Thant Is how I fell!

  • 09.16.2004 12:18 PM PDT
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I'll use either one, But I prefer the hog If I can get a good driver or gunner. I prefer fighting against banshees, because they are easier to kill when you are on foot, and you only have to worry about 1 person. I've killed many more shees than hogs. So in games it's all fine and dandy if there are no banshees, or a no banshees rule in effect. However I don't care if some one does start using banshees. I fear the hogs more.

Golden Rule: Do the things unto thine enemies before they do it unto you.

All is fair in Love and War.

  • 09.17.2004 1:25 PM PDT
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Shees are stupid when you have shee noobs!

  • 09.17.2004 2:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ace Frehley
Shees are stupid when you have shee noobs!


the shee is fo easy to doge. i kill shee noobs with no effort at all. why would anyone complain?

the hog, when driven by a noob is also easy to doge, but some people are smarter than them.

  • 09.18.2004 10:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Iamwhie
Posted by: Ace Frehley
Shees are stupid when you have shee noobs!


the shee is fo easy to doge. i kill shee noobs with no effort at all. why would anyone complain?

the hog, when driven by a noob is also easy to doge, but some people are smarter than them.

Well said..., I kinda like it when someone gets in a shee.... that's why it's usually my team ends up getting them ...

  • 09.20.2004 11:54 AM PDT
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Warthogs are awesome. And Shees have no hope against a Hog with both Driver / Gunner

  • 09.20.2004 12:38 PM PDT
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Banshees are cheap, IMO, although I can take them down on foot without too much trouble most of the time (depending on the terrain). I really don't care for maps with banshees turned on. It's frustrating when some people just use them as battering rams the entire game, usually sitting on a teleporter exit. Oh well, it's those people's loss... running over people in a banshee or sitting in a tank the whole game won't make you a better player.

Hogs are more fun to drive and fight against. The physics are a real joy on the Xbox where there's no lag and warping.

Personally, though, I almost never use vehicles. Only for flag runs. I find it much more satisfying to fight on foot with the pistol and sniper.

  • 09.21.2004 4:05 AM PDT
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I like the way the warthog handles with the fishtailing and such.

  • 09.21.2004 6:40 PM PDT
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I play Halo for the vehicles. If I want pure first-person shooting, there are other games out there which I prefer (To be polite, none shall be named.) The vehicle combat and physics thereof is really what sets Halo apart for me. I love all the available vehicles in the game, and appreciate the variety of strengths and weaknesses of the various selections. No vehicle is entirely supreme, yet no vehicle is completely helpless against another. (Though the rocket hog vs. banshee is a bit of a long shot.) My love of the vehicle combat runs so deep that I get upset when a server cycles to a non-vehicle map. Not to say that I can't handle myself on foot or don't enjoy doing so, but the addition of vehicles to fight with and/or against adds that extra bit of Halo flavor that I'm looking for when I bring up the server list.

The one big advantage with the hog over the banshee is the most simple: the fun factor. The sense of speed and freedom of control in a warthog is unmatched by any other vehicle in the game. The scorpion is obviously too slow and cumbersome, and the fluidity of movement with both covenant vehicles detracts from the rush one should feel at the controls of such power and speed.

That said, my favorite Halo vehicle is, in fact, the banshee. I grew up playing imaginary fighter pilot and have many video games in my collection to prove it. The banshee is a natural fit. If there is one vehicle which can be effective against all others, it is the banshee. (For those who would argue that the scorpion is king, remember what happens when one scorpion finds another: whoever clicks first wins.) It surprises me that the Halo community at large has such a poor opinion of the banshee. Granted, it is an avenue to easier kills for inexperienced gamers. But, as many of you have already noted, most of those inexperienced gamers are dive-bombing to get those kills. This is where I myself get upset with several banshee pilots.

The banshee is poorly suited for such tactics. If you want to run people down, get a hog or ghost. The banshee is too easy to side-step and far too vulnerable at close range. Not to mention that at close range, the banshee loses its primary advantage--maneuverability. I can't count how many times I've stood perfectly still and shot someone out of their banshee while they continue to circle me at close range in the vein attempt to run me down. The turn radius isn't that of a hog and it can't move laterally like the ghost, people.

So, in the effort to make banshee piloting a bit more enjoyable for all, here's some general pointers:
1. Against foot soldiers: generally keep your distance and learn to aim that fuel rod gun. Don't hover--stay on the move.
2. There are two occasions for dive-bombing. a) Desperation (flag carrier about to score) OR b) target has their back to you, you've not been noticed, and there are no other enemies in the immediate area.
3. Against ghosts: Avoid dealing with ghosts in open terrain--they're far too mobile and a good ghost pilot can avoid your fire. Try to get directly above your target. The ghost's plasma rifles cannot track very high.
4. Against standard hogs: Shoot first. Don't miss. If the hog doesn't flip, pray. Oh, and use terrain to your advantage. Take cover between fuel rod blasts if possible.
5. Against rocket hogs: Laugh first. Shoot. Laugh some more. Oh, and don't fly in a straight line. In fact, you should never be flying in a straight line.
6. Against scorpions: Know where they are at all times. Keep your distance and don't engage if you aren't confident you can win. At range, the tank vs. banshee match-up is a wash. At mid-range, the tank's cannon wins the vast majority of the time. At close range (ideally directly above), the tank is helpless. If terrain will allow, pop over a ridge that places you right above your target before attacking. If engaging from a distance, fly evasive, learn the scorpion's reload time between shots and use that window to advance.
7. Banshee Dueling: The banshee is capable of more than simply turning in a circle. Mix it up. Make long, sweeping passes between tight circling maneuvers. Vary your speed. Kill thrust. Dive. Climb. Nothing is more boring than a circling match (nor more inviting to onlookers from below). Don't forget about your plasma cannons--the fuel rod blast is powerful, but often will not register due to lag.
8. Beware of Blood Gulch and Sidewinder: These original maps have low ceilings. Low ceilings mean less maneuverability. Less maneuverability makes you an easy target.

Of course, these would be general rules. There are always exceptions to the rule. Try this one for fun--dive-bomb in maps with unlimited sticky grenades. The target will likely stand still while you advance and plant a sticky 'nade on your nose at the last second. Come in low and jump out of your banshee right after the grenade sticks. You'll fall back just far enough that the explosion won't touch you, land on your feet in time to see your banshee crush the target, get back in your ride, rinse and repeat. Shortly thereafter, prepare to have several comments about cheating and noob banshee whoring directed your way.

Final note: (Yes I know this has turned out to be reeaally long.) Don't expect to have the highest kill count in a banshee. Properly used, the banshee rarely kills quickly. However, properly trained, the banshee pilot rarely dies.

Here's hoping these suggestions will inspire more people to pursue the art of banshee piloting. I could use some more dog fighting competition. And in so saying, I'm more interested in quantity of competition than quality. ;) Some of the most fun I've had in Halo PC has been the rare standard slayer match on something like Death Island or Infinity--four banshees in a free-for-all is absolutely insane!

  • 09.21.2004 8:00 PM PDT
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any vehicle is fine, it just matters how u use it. with shees i fly low to the ground running people over and with hogs i have a shotgun in hand, drive up to an enemy get out fast incase of a nade and shoot the person in the face. shotguns are good for any vehicle. hogs are good against shees if ur in the turret but if ur driveing ur screwed. shees can be good but the noobs that use em all the time i ban. or setup a game that doesn't have vehicles.

  • 09.26.2004 12:41 PM PDT
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lol yeah shee noobs are a pain in the A$$

  • 09.26.2004 5:51 PM PDT
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I find that if your in a hog wif no gunner, and come up against a Ghost pilot in a map like sidewinder, you can be screwed, the ghost can happily kepp up and bast away at you, best race for your allies, quick.

  • 09.27.2004 6:06 AM PDT
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Anything used to kill anybody effectively and a lot is a good weapon to have...
britain didn't quit WWII because the germans were "air n00bs"...

[Edited on 9/27/2004 9:42:41 AM]

  • 09.27.2004 9:42 AM PDT
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lol, true

  • 10.02.2004 6:19 AM PDT
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I think banshees are useful in hunting down flag holders. I alos enjoy dogfights, but if people are camping with them, it is really -blam!-.

  • 10.02.2004 2:54 PM PDT
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I rarely use a banshee due to its weakness for heavy weapons. Yeah they can fly, but that's what a scorpion is for. Anyone who gets in a banshee will eventually get their ass blasted by a scorpion.

I like shooting down banshees, they're easy kills, why ban when you can be cheap.

  • 10.06.2004 12:39 PM PDT