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Subject: Glasslands, hefty issue. Is Halsey invulnerable?
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Yeah, S-III's are as strong as S-II's, but S-II's have MJOLNIR armor. Lucy didn't, but she would have probably knocked Halsey out cold and broke her face apart or killed her.

Most likely the latter.

  • 12.05.2011 1:49 PM PDT


Posted by: Teh Vault Boy
Yeah, S-III's are as strong as S-II's, but S-II's have MJOLNIR armor. Lucy didn't, but she would have probably knocked Halsey out cold and broke her face apart or killed her.

Most likely the latter.


When I read Lucy felt the shockwave down her arm, I was actually expecting Halsey's skull to be broken.

  • 12.05.2011 2:11 PM PDT

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Meh, just add it to the already growing BS pile Glasslands shoveled up.

  • 12.05.2011 3:19 PM PDT

I'm just a quote machine today:

Lucy was a little shorter than Halsey...

Halsey's roughly 5.6 feet, so that means Lucy's pretty small. Barely the average height for a woman, no-where near a Spartan II's height.

Mendez had Lucy in a headlock and she was finally running out of adrenaline.

Mendez turned her around to face him and crushed
her to him so tightly that she thought he'd break a rib.


Mendez is an old man; he's tough, but would never be able to do anything like that with say, Kelly or Linda.

she must have hit her a hell of a lot harder than she thought. Lucy's hand was throbbing.

A SII's hand wouldn't throb after punching someone, and if Lucy hit Halsey far harder than first believed and still only dealt her a bloodied nose, that further alludes to how Traviss perceives the SIIIs as physically inferior to their predecessors.

It was also said in this novel that Lucy looked like a small girl, in contrast to the powerful Amazonian Spartan IIs. Again, I don't think Halsey quite got the concept of the SIII program, but that's how it is.

In Glasslands, Lucy's just a traumatised, female soldier who's had a few enhancements and wears some special armour; she's not like the SIIIs we see in Reach, that much is clear. So in that context, the scene's understandable. I've always claimed that SIIIs aren't as strong or adept as Spartan IIs despite what most people here seem to think. Still, they should be stronger than the average soldier.

I think Traviss just got mixed up.

  • 12.05.2011 5:14 PM PDT

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Just figured something out.

Master Chief, 14 years old without armor > 3 Full grown ODSTs

Doctor Halsey > Spartan III

Traviss, I am disappoint.

[Edited on 12.05.2011 5:20 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2011 5:17 PM PDT

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I think the evidence is clear; Halsey is a Brute. Or Brutes are as weak as old ladies.

  • 12.05.2011 5:20 PM PDT

Why are you here?

lol, a punch from an un-armored Spartan would kill you or send you into a coma.

So, is this a sign I shouldn't get Glasslands?

  • 12.05.2011 6:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: PISTOLSQUIRREL
lol, a punch from an un-armored Spartan would kill you or send you into a coma.

So, is this a sign I shouldn't get Glasslands?


One of many.

  • 12.05.2011 6:09 PM PDT

Why are you here?

One of many.

Name some examples pl0x

  • 12.05.2011 6:11 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553

Maybe she has jelly arms.

  • 12.05.2011 6:23 PM PDT
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Maybe halsey genetically modified herself to make her stronger

  • 12.05.2011 6:29 PM PDT

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Halsey "I must help my spartans"

Somone "No, halsey, You are a spartan"

  • 12.05.2011 7:13 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Can someone tell me where the good Karen Travis went? You know, the Republic Commando one?

  • 12.05.2011 7:15 PM PDT


Posted by: PISTOLSQUIRREL
One of many.

Name some examples pl0x


four off the top of my head.

A: ONI has Infinity (decked out with forerunner tech) and Spartan IV's (equipped with Mark VII armor?) and has had them for a while (as in, far more then 3 months), neither was used to defend Earth.

B: When lucy attacks Halsey, NONE of the Spartans do anything.

C: Paragonsky lets all Spartans see family records, this = pointless move as Spartans wouldn't be accepted back, ever.

D: ONI backs group of Elites who think everything humans are doing is worthy of death(and only control two bombers and a boarding craft), instead of backing Arbiter who wants peace and controls the bulk of Elite ships.

  • 12.05.2011 7:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: PISTOLSQUIRREL
One of many.

Name some examples pl0x


four off the top of my head.

A: ONI has Infinity (decked out with forerunner tech) and Spartan IV's (equipped with Mark VII armor?) and has had them for a while (as in, far more then 3 months), neither was used to defend Earth.

B: When lucy attacks Halsey, NONE of the Spartans do anything.

C: Paragonsky lets all Spartans see family records, this = pointless move as Spartans wouldn't be accepted back, ever.

D: ONI backs group of Elites who think everything humans are doing is worthy of death(and only control two bombers and a boarding craft), instead of backing Arbiter who wants peace and controls the bulk of Elite ships.


Don't worry. I gave him Glasslands *Wink*

  • 12.05.2011 7:57 PM PDT

Halsey does nothing. Besides realizing they could adapt the slipspace drives to the human ships, she DOES NOTHING. Complete translation of the console? Useless as they found the Engineer. :S

  • 12.06.2011 8:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Lady Fate
Halsey does nothing.


She doesn't need to do anything, she created the Spartans. So she IS doing something with her invention.

  • 12.06.2011 8:44 AM PDT
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If you guys havent forgotten.....She is a child of 13 years or so...
And plus who said that 13 year olds are as strong as spartan 2s in that age ?
Wrong.

  • 12.06.2011 8:50 AM PDT

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If you guys havent forgotten.....She is a child of 13 years or so...
And plus who said that 13 year olds are as strong as spartan 2s in that age ?
Wrong.


Er... what? Lucy is from Beta Company so she'd be well into her twenties, after recieving the augmentations that make her bones near-unbreakable and increase the density of her muscles then her punch against Halsey should have been fatal.

Your posts are a disease, I actually feel less intelligent every time your fingers touch the keyboard.

  • 12.06.2011 8:57 AM PDT


Posted by: FTW 1997
If you guys havent forgotten.....She is a child of 13 years or so...
And plus who said that 13 year olds are as strong as spartan 2s in that age ?
Wrong.


If you haven't forgotten, that 'child' is completely augmentated. Strength, bones, reflexes, ALL increased.

The actual quote from the book And that was when Lucy snapped.
She grabbed Halsey by the shoulder again, spun her around and threw a punch that sent a shock wave right up her arm. Halsey hit the ground with a loud crack.


Can ANYBODY, in their right mind, tell me a 60ish year old lady hitting the ground with a loud crack is a good thing/able to be walked away from?

Last I checked, if you hit the ground with a crack, that means something is broken, a loud crack = serious.

[Edited on 12.06.2011 9:06 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2011 8:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Can someone tell me where the good Karen Travis went? You know, the Republic Commando one?


Kidnapped and put in the same prison as the good George Lucas.

  • 12.06.2011 8:59 AM PDT

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Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: FTW 1997
If you guys havent forgotten.....She is a child of 13 years or so...
And plus who said that 13 year olds are as strong as spartan 2s in that age ?
Wrong.


If you haven't forgotten, that child is completely augmentation. Strength, bones, reflexes, ALL increased.

The actual quote from the book And that was when Lucy snapped.
She grabbed Halsey by the shoulder again, spun her around and threw a punch that sent a shock wave right up her arm. Halsey hit the ground with a loud crack.


Can ANYBODY, in their right mind, tell me a 60ish year old lady hitting the ground with a loud crack is a good thing/able to be walked away from?

Last I checked, if you hit the ground with a crack, that means something is broken, a loud crack = serious.


This males Karen look even worse.

  • 12.06.2011 9:02 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


Posted by: Cmdr DaeFaron

Posted by: PISTOLSQUIRREL
One of many.

Name some examples pl0x


four off the top of my head.

A: ONI has Infinity (decked out with forerunner tech) and Spartan IV's (equipped with Mark VII armor?) and has had them for a while (as in, far more then 3 months), neither was used to defend Earth.

B: When lucy attacks Halsey, NONE of the Spartans do anything.

C: Paragonsky lets all Spartans see family records, this = pointless move as Spartans wouldn't be accepted back, ever.

D: ONI backs group of Elites who think everything humans are doing is worthy of death(and only control two bombers and a boarding craft), instead of backing Arbiter who wants peace and controls the bulk of Elite ships.


A: I don't think Infinity was complete durig that time(correct me if i'm wrong)
BTW it's ONI, the ones who threw Reach to the covies.

B:More like attacked,it was only a short time.There was nothing else to do unless Blue Team wanted payback and Mendez held her after the short attack.

C:But it would be nice to know more about your past,it's their choice however.

D:No , all ONI does is giving them weapons and support just to initiate a civil war on Sanghelios.They aren't anti-Arby they just want a fissure in their empire ,nothing more.
If they back Arby then it gives the Sangeili a huge chance to regrow and become rivals of the Humans.ONI just doesn't wants competition,no wonder they search for all the remaining rings to have the ultimate power in the galaxy.I wouldn't be suprised if they declare a secret war on the Forerunners(in case they return).

I agree with you,what ONI does isn't good but that's no suprise coming from these guys.Go ahead hate on ONI's actions like most of us,but don't blame Karen and the book for that.Each fictional universe has competent,incompentent,bad ,power hungry factions...



On topic,that part of the book was my only wtf moment.

  • 12.06.2011 9:23 AM PDT

I doubt it magically gained weapons and shielding in the 3 months from battle to glasslands. If it had been cruising around for years, it could've helped defend earth.

as for B: I'm fairly sure that Kelly could've tackled Lucy by the time she had grabbed Halsey. Unless we are saying Spartans aren't that quick anymore.

edit: Yeah, so ONI arming the underdog faction instead of helping give humanity a good face and backing Arbiter, meaning a growing Elite government that is on GOOD terms with humanity and unlikely to attack is a good thing in their mind <_<.

[Edited on 12.06.2011 9:33 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2011 9:31 AM PDT

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Or are SIII's actually physically inferior to SII's?

Ether we go with that or put this on Travis.

It has to be put on Travis. The base augmentations for Spartan II's and Spartan III's make them damn near identical, and I would venture to say 99% identical physically. If John can take out three ODST barehanded with no MJOLNIR, Halsey should have quite literally been dead after a punch like that.

  • 12.06.2011 9:43 AM PDT

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