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Subject: MLG Arena

So rumours are being thrown about with mlg getting arena rankings. Now I think it is a great idea and apprently KC has tweeted back at goofy that progress is being madeto bring arena to mlg. It's not 1-50 but another ranked playlist with actual good settings sounds good to me what about you guys?

  • 12.06.2011 5:52 AM PDT
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They need to gut ratings to keep objective games in.

  • 12.06.2011 5:54 AM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
They need to gut ratings to keep objective games in.


Well of course I'm sure that is possible. I mean the system is already based upon w/l the ratings now are just essentially a number.

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But that would mean putting work into altering part of the UI. I doubt 343 is willing to do that work.

  • 12.06.2011 5:59 AM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
But that would mean putting work into altering part of the UI. I doubt 343 is willing to do that work.


lol what not really at all. It's already based on w/l. If mlg wants arena. Guaranteed 343 is going to give it to them or you could see reach off of the pro circuit.

  • 12.06.2011 6:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: DerpRoids
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MLG has been unranked all this time and stayed in the Pro circuit. I don't see how a lack of playlist support in matchmaking affects the circuit.

And yes removing ratings completely from the arena system would require work on altering the UI. The only question is whether that would require a second TU.

  • 12.06.2011 6:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: RC Clone
MLG has been unranked all this time and stayed in the Pro circuit. I don't see how a lack of playlist support in matchmaking affects the circuit.

And yes removing ratings completely from the arena system would require work on altering the UI. The only question is whether that would require a second TU.


Ratings mean absolutely nothing with Arena, its completely based on Win/Loss and it has for like 9 months. People don't know this still because when Bungie changed it they didn't make a huge public announcement about it or even state it anywhere but on their site.

Typically the only people that play MLG are apart of the MLG community and will know where to find such information but it should still be stated with a screen that pops up at the start of the season.


OT: I don't think adding in Arena's system just yet would actually be beneficial, MLG's population isn't that high yet to sustain Ranks, especially higher ranks (like Arena). With the new settings though, more people should be getting back into it and we [i]should[/] see a significant increase in population.

Currently what they should do first is just simply add in Party Restrictions and tighten the True Skill just slightly, not much at all.

After seeing the population increase a bit (assuming it just doesn't sky rocket), tighten it a bit more.

If there's a significant increase in population (like everyone suspects) then add the Arena ranking system but only after the population can manage it.

Also Frost, based on other tweets between a few people from 343, MLG etc, I doubt they are actually planning on adding the Arena System atm, I think its simply going to be tighter Trueskill.

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  • 12.06.2011 6:31 AM PDT
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Posted by: DerpRoids
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I know ratings don't do anything. Except they do. They are what kept arena from getting objective games because only slayer has them. As long as they are still visible and you still have the get rated four times requirement, objectives with arena is out of the question.

That is why they have to be removed before MLG can get the arena system.

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Posted by: RC Clone
I know ratings don't do anything. Except they do. They are what kept arena from getting objective games because only slayer has them. As long as they are still visible and you still have the get rated four times requirement, objectives with arena is out of the question.

That is why they have to be removed before MLG can get the arena system.


Ratings mean nothing.

Arena didn't get Objective because it was based on Rating before, all its based on now is Win/Loss. Rating means absolutely nothing, its there because they didn't remove it and to look pretty.

Arena could get objective if it wanted because all that matters is the W but Arena is treated as a ranked Team Slayer, its specifically just Slayer.

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Posted by: DerpRoids
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That doesn't take into account that it may not be that simple to remove since there is also the four ratings four times a day system in place. That would also need to get removed and reworked to make it work

  • 12.06.2011 6:49 AM PDT
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Posted by: RC Clone
That doesn't take into account that it may not be that simple to remove since there is also the four ratings four times a day system in place. That would also need to get removed and reworked to make it work


Why? Ratings have nothing to do with your Division, nor does getting rated everyday.

Keep winning and you'll keep getting matched against harder people, even without getting rated.

Getting rated will make your true skill visible, nothing more.

Unless theres some super technical mechanic that will just totally give the middle finger to an objective gametype trying to be put into Arena, theres no reason why it couldn't be added.

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Posted by: DerpRoids
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I'm not taking this position in regards to their current importance to the system.

I'm taking this position from the standpoint of realizing how much work must have been put into this system by people who didn't know one of its core tools would need to be removed later.

The four ratings are needed to count for playing that day. The four days are needed to be added to the list of players being analyzed and placed. And both of those systems don't work without ratings. I'm saying that to remove ratings you also need to remove and rework or replace these systems. No easy task with its current setup.

It would need a work around for the rating problem and another for the daily rating and another for daily rating for four days.

That's not going to be easy.

I'm all for removing ratings , but it won't be a simple task.

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  • 12.06.2011 7:00 AM PDT

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Why not make every playlist like that then?

  • 12.06.2011 7:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nephilim713
Why not make every playlist like that then?

The party and trueskill restrictions would strangle low population playlists.

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Posted by: Nephilim713
Why not make every playlist like that then?

The party and trueskill restrictions would strangle low population playlists.

This, unfortunately. It would take forever to find games.

  • 12.06.2011 7:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: RC Clone
I'm not taking this position in regards to their current importance to the system.

I'm taking this position from the standpoint of realizing how much work must have been put into this system by people who didn't know one of its core tools would need to be removed later.

The four ratings are needed to count for playing that day. The four days are needed to be added to the list of players being analyzed and placed. And both of those systems don't work without ratings. I'm saying that to remove ratings you also need to remove and rework or replace these systems. No easy task with its current setup.

It would need a work around for the rating problem and another for the daily rating and another for daily rating for four days.

That's not going to be easy.

I'm all for removing ratings , but it won't be a simple task.


Why would ratings need to be removed in the first place? Its based on Win/Loss. As you know ratings are effected by Kills, Deaths, Assists, which you would still get all of them in Objective gametypes.

Your Arena placement is not effected by your rating, currently they have no use what so ever, just shows how you've been doing K/D/A wise and to look pretty.

You honestly don't even need to get rated daily to get put into more competitive matches, because all getting rated/put into a division does is show your trueskill. Its still there regardless if you get rated or not, as long as you keep winning it will keep improving.


My question is, why would ratings need to get removed for objective gametypes to be put in or for MLG to get Arenas system?

They have no use what so ever right now. So unless some technical mechanic just gives the middle finger to objective gametypes and rejects them from being added, theres no reason why they can't be.

  • 12.06.2011 7:12 AM PDT

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Posted by: Nephilim713
Why not make every playlist like that then?

The party and trueskill restrictions would strangle low population playlists.


Tut tut, you fell for my sarcasm.

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  • 12.06.2011 7:13 AM PDT
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Well that is a valid reason against adding it everywhere. Also no one has shown that ratings can be removed so objective is still out at the moment.

  • 12.06.2011 7:16 AM PDT
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@apocalypse

Because they can't go with objective games. They only work with slayer and the game probably craps itself when the rating system interacts with a n objective game.

Part of the rating equation is the slayer score to win the game. This won't work with objectives.

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Then I derped :(

  • 12.06.2011 7:22 AM PDT

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