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Subject: CE is good, but no where near perfect

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Dont get me wrong, its great, but its no where near as good as people say.

The main thing i have a problem with is the level and mission design. I always get lost in every mission because things are never clear. Sections of levels are copied and pasted, the place you're supposed to go to is not always that obvious, sometimes a small door hiding away from you, and a lack of instructions in game. Another thing i strongly dislike is the large amount on backtracking (going somewhere and then coming back the exact same way)

Of course, i take into account that this was the first Halo game and the franchise was still finding its footing, but still, i dont know why people call it perfect even after playing later Halo games.

I strongly dislike the level 'Assault on the Control Room'. The canyon part is really tedious and boring, and i dont think its been designed very well.

But im not giving up on it. I cant wait to see the Flood

So thats just my thoughts so far on CE. Its way better than Halo 2, but at the moment i think Halo 3 is just a bit better.

  • 12.06.2011 1:32 PM PDT
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it wasn't the best campaign in the series, HALO 2 and HALO 3: ODST have the best campaigns so far.
they could have made this game alot better

i also felt the same, some parts of the game it's easy to get lost such as 343 guilty spark after the cutscene 'the flood' or finding the second pulse generator in two betrayals

Posted by: Mark V guy
So thats just my thoughts so far on CE. Its way better than Halo 2, but at the moment i think Halo 3 is just a bit better.
i was waiting for you to put HALO 2 down, this game is nowhere near as good as HALO 2
i suppose HALO Combat Evolved Anniversary could have given HALO 2 a bit of competition but 343i screwed that chance up by giving us a damn map pack for lolreach instead of the multiplayer we loved 10 years ago with revamped graphics

  • 12.06.2011 2:15 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: path1k
it wasn't the best campaign in the series, HALO 2 and HALO 3: ODST have the best campaigns so far.
they could have made this game alot better

i also felt the same, some parts of the game it's easy to get lost such as 343 guilty spark after the cutscene 'the flood' or finding the second pulse generator in two betrayals

Posted by: Mark V guy
So thats just my thoughts so far on CE. Its way better than Halo 2, but at the moment i think Halo 3 is just a bit better.
i was waiting for you to put HALO 2 down, this game is nowhere near as good as HALO 2
i suppose HALO Combat Evolved Anniversary could have given HALO 2 a bit of competition but 343i screwed that chance up by giving us a damn map pack for lolreach instead of the multiplayer we loved 10 years ago with revamped graphics


I recognize your name...

But yeah, i dont really see what the hype is all about. Its good, but its not the best FPS ever made like everyone says.

IMO Halo 3 and ODST havee the best campaigns, followed by Reach, this and then Halo 2

I am not looking forward to the Library

  • 12.06.2011 2:38 PM PDT

Well if u watched the videos like i had about Halo CE and the makers of it, u'll understand. They REMADE EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS WHEN IT WAS RELEASED YEARS AGO! and ppl saying it was good? it was still the same YEARS AGO! I understand u got lost in it, and I had same problem too, but I'll still play it and crap like that.

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Posted by: Mark V guy
I am not looking forward to the Library
what difficulty

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Personally I love Assault On The Control Room, there are so many options and ways to approach each engagement. You must not have explored very much, or maybe I think its fun because I know a bunch of tricks and such.

As for the whole level design problem and you getting lost, I don't mean to insult you but I could complete this game on Legendary when I was 10, without getting lost. No offense, but it is gamers like you who make game developers act like I'm retarded, always telling me exactly where to go and how to do it =/

CE is far from perfect by today's standards, but then again nothing is ever perfect. I'd say CE was pretty close to perfect, when it came out. Now however I'd say its just "good"

  • 12.06.2011 6:12 PM PDT


Posted by: path1k

Posted by: Mark V guy
I am not looking forward to the Library
what difficulty

Pssh. Library = Easy.
Now Two Betrayals...


Also I love how you go back to fight in familiar places. Brings out better story telling. One of the things Halo 2 needed to take tips on.

  • 12.06.2011 6:13 PM PDT

Posted by: Mark V guy
Dont get me wrong, its great, but its no where near as good as people say.
If you're listening to fanbois, obviously not. If you hear the veterans, like myself or nestegg, we'll paint it with praise but we'll also offer our reasons for that praise.

The main thing i have a problem with is the level and mission design. I always get lost in every mission because things are never clear. Sections of levels are copied and pasted, the place you're supposed to go to is not always that obvious, sometimes a small door hiding away from you, and a lack of instructions in game. This is because current generation games are literally holding your hand. Every shooter on the market right now gives you point to point waypoints so you won't get lost, and has invisible walls or killzones so you don't leave the "mission area" and explore(which often is rewarded by finding easter eggs or hidden weapon caches or power-ups).

Another thing i strongly dislike is the large amount on backtracking (going somewhere and then coming back the exact same way)The copypasta is easily explainable. Take a small studio start-up, just a few people, and try and pump out a quality shooter in just a few years. It is remarkably hard to do, especially when you consider that originally Halo: CE was going to be an RTS for the Mac. The copypasta is simply due to time constraints, not laziness.

Of course, i take into account that this was the first Halo game and the franchise was still finding its footing, but still, i dont know why people call it perfect even after playing later Halo games.It's because it is still the pinnacle of the Halo franchise. Gameplay is consistent. Enemies on hard difficulties are challenging, not simply -blam!- impossible to attack with more than one overpowered strategy(example - you can beat Heroic and Legendary using only the Assault Rifle). Increasing the difficulty in Halo: CE means increasing enemy count, aggressiveness, and fire rate, but only marginally increasing damage. Whereas from Halo 2 and onwards, it's simply more enemies and way more damage per shot. Weapons all have a purpose. when you die, it isn't because of something cheap and unavoidable - it's because you made several mistakes and missed your opportunities to escape or kill everything. I can go on if you need me to.

I strongly dislike the level 'Assault on the Control Room'. The canyon part is really tedious and boring, and i dont think its been designed very well.Admittedly, the rooms are all copies of each other, but the canyon is the best part! You get a Warthog and a Scorpion tank to blow the -blam!- out of everything! Not only that, but you get both the Sniper Rifle and Rocket Launcher in generous quantities, and can even traverse the whole level on foot if you wanted to. Hell, there's infinite approaches to every encounter, including multiple paths that allow you to get the drop on enemies, who unlike in following games, don't instantly know where you are.

But im not giving up on it. I cant wait to see the FloodGood on you! In that level you really will get lost. We all did. It's to build up the atmosphere of you trying to get out.

So thats just my thoughts so far on CE. Its way better than Halo 2, but at the moment i think Halo 3 is just a bit better.The only thing Halo 3 really had going for it is the online multiplayer and extra features. The campaign wasn't really that good, and multiplayer relies almost completely on whoring power weapons and vehicles. Individual skill doesn't matter when the enemy team has the sniper, sword, and rockets and headshots are as easy and shooting the wall.

  • 12.06.2011 8:33 PM PDT


Posted by: path1k
]i was waiting for you to put HALO 2 down, this game is nowhere near as good as HALO 2


Halo 2 is the worst campaign of the series... Good try though troll.

CE was not perfect, but what game is? CE was a breath of fresh air into the terrible FPS age we had 10 years ago, and is still a fresh breath of air compared to the terrible FPS we have today.

  • 12.07.2011 3:44 AM PDT
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Agreed, but for the love of god, why do people on this forum have to be so cynical. No need to assume he's trolling.

  • 12.07.2011 8:10 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

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Posted by: Mark V guy
I am not looking forward to the Library
what difficulty


Im doing it on normal right now

Next time i play i might try some new strategies. Tight now i keep rushing right to the back and then taking on the wraith from a distance. I also like to hijack a ghost and take out those turrets. The i kill the hunters with the ghost

This worked once, then while heading back i think i got lost and accidentally died, and i had to to the WHOLE canyon bit again! So i ragequit and went on CatleMiner Zombies

  • 12.07.2011 8:28 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

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Posted by: AcidThe Wraith
Personally I love Assault On The Control Room, there are so many options and ways to approach each engagement. You must not have explored very much, or maybe I think its fun because I know a bunch of tricks and such.

As for the whole level design problem and you getting lost, I don't mean to insult you but I could complete this game on Legendary when I was 10, without getting lost. No offense, but it is gamers like you who make game developers act like I'm retarded, always telling me exactly where to go and how to do it =/

CE is far from perfect by today's standards, but then again nothing is ever perfect. I'd say CE was pretty close to perfect, when it came out. Now however I'd say its just "good"


Personally, i think that games shouldnt have too much exploring, maybe a little. If i cant find something i kind of get bored after a while.

  • 12.07.2011 8:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

Posted by: AcidThe Wraith
Personally I love Assault On The Control Room, there are so many options and ways to approach each engagement. You must not have explored very much, or maybe I think its fun because I know a bunch of tricks and such.

As for the whole level design problem and you getting lost, I don't mean to insult you but I could complete this game on Legendary when I was 10, without getting lost. No offense, but it is gamers like you who make game developers act like I'm retarded, always telling me exactly where to go and how to do it =/

CE is far from perfect by today's standards, but then again nothing is ever perfect. I'd say CE was pretty close to perfect, when it came out. Now however I'd say its just "good"


Personally, i think that games shouldnt have too much exploring, maybe a little. If i cant find something i kind of get bored after a while.


That is something I love about CE though, the freedom that is allowed but not forced on you.

  • 12.07.2011 9:09 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy

IMO Halo 3 and ODST havee the best campaigns, followed by Reach, this and then Halo 2
Is that what you really mean or are you just saying even Reach is better than Halo 2?

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Posted by: Mark V guy
I am not looking forward to the Library
what difficulty

Pssh. Library = Easy.
Now Keyes...


Also I love how you go back to fight in familiar places. Brings out better story telling. One of the things Halo 2 needed to take tips on.
I fixed that for you. :)

  • 12.07.2011 11:50 AM PDT


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I am not looking forward to the Library[/quote]what difficulty[/quote]
Pssh. Library = Easy.
Now Keyes...


Also I love how you go back to fight in familiar places. Brings out better story telling. One of the things Halo 2 needed to take tips on.
I fixed that for you. :)

Just because you have like 20 videos of super tactics for Two Betrayals doesn't mean Keyes is harder :) You can run through most of Keyes anyway. Once you get to when the Spec Ops elites are introduced, then it is just painful.

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Posted by: path1k
i was waiting for you to put HALO 2 down, this game is nowhere near as good as HALO 2


Halo 2 is the worst campaign of the series... Good try though troll.
what are you talking about? how was i trolling?

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Posted by: InvasionImminent

Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Posted by: Mark V guy
I am not looking forward to the Library[/quote]what difficulty[/quote]
Pssh. Library = Easy.
Now Keyes...


Also I love how you go back to fight in familiar places. Brings out better story telling. One of the things Halo 2 needed to take tips on.
I fixed that for you. :)

Just because you have like 20 videos of super tactics for Two Betrayals doesn't mean Keyes is harder :) You can run through most of Keyes anyway. Once you get to when the Spec Ops elites are introduced, then it is just painful.
Run through most of it by shield bumping yes.

The darkness is... advanced. The Flood... they're everywhere! The Grunts are being killed off and every death scream they make puts chills into my body. And there's green liquid oozing from the ground!!

The Spec Ops Elites aren't that bad. It's the Flood. The Flood!!!

  • 12.07.2011 8:10 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: Sliding Ghost

Posted by: Mark V guy

IMO Halo 3 and ODST havee the best campaigns, followed by Reach, this and then Halo 2
Is that what you really mean or are you just saying even Reach is better than Halo 2?


Apart from the Halo 2 mission 'The Arbiter' i enjoyed the Reach missions more

  • 12.08.2011 11:48 AM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

I DETEST assault on the control room.mIts the most tedious, boring, dull, horrible, dispicable, evil f ucking mission in the whole of Halo. I hope whoever designed it dies in a hole

  • 12.09.2011 5:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: Mark V guy
I DETEST assault on the control room.mIts the most tedious, boring, dull, horrible, dispicable, evil f ucking mission in the whole of Halo. I hope whoever designed it dies in a hole
fair enough but cortana and 2/3 of the covenant was less enjoyable then AotCR

  • 12.09.2011 6:09 PM PDT

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It doesn't bother me. I like having to search around. A game is no fun without a bit of a challenge. I would hate to just be shown where to go.

  • 12.09.2011 6:31 PM PDT


Posted by: path1k
fair enough but cortana and 2/3 of the covenant was less enjoyable then AotCR

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?!?!?

  • 12.09.2011 7:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: InvasionImminent

Posted by: path1k
fair enough but cortana and 2/3 of the covenant was less enjoyable then AotCR

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?!?!?
I second this.

2/3 of the Covenant?

It should be 1/3 of the Covenant was less enjoyable: Mission Start

Rally point alpha has some of my favorite encounters. Rally point bravo has the 2 Scarab fight, half Flood, and 4 Arbys!

  • 12.09.2011 7:59 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Yeah the Covenant is a really fun mission all the way through

And Cortana, whats rhe big deal with this? Its not that hard to navigate, and yes,myou may die a few times but so what, i still found it to be a reasonably enjoyable mission

  • 12.10.2011 2:07 AM PDT

I am a firm believer that when bungie makes you spawn with a pistol, kill someone with a rocket launcher.

*stares at this conversation*
*takes notes*

Well, regardless of what any of you say, ODST is without a doubt, the best campaign of Halo.

  • 12.10.2011 8:04 AM PDT

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