Halo: Combat Evolved Forum
This topic has moved here: Subject: CE is good, but no where near perfect
  • Subject: CE is good, but no where near perfect
  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • of 4
Subject: CE is good, but no where near perfect


Posted by: Multijirachi

Posted by: InvasionImminent

Posted by: Sliding Ghost

-enemy AI have so many advantages over the player that it's not a battle of survival. It's a battle of frustration

I'm going to disagree with you. The AI do appear in position already, eliminating the survival aspect of the game for most of the entirety, but I wouldn't see how they have an advantage over the player that much. Maybe you're just exaggerating, which in that case, I agree.


Exodus, Just before the executive landing pad.

Are you speaking of the lobby, or the bridge? The bridge is pretty easy, but the lobby is annoying on SLASO.

  • 12.26.2011 7:37 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:


Posted by: InvasionImminent

Posted by: Sliding Ghost

-enemy AI have so many advantages over the player that it's not a battle of survival. It's a battle of frustration

I'm going to disagree with you. The AI do appear in position already, eliminating the survival aspect of the game for most of the entirety, but I wouldn't see how they have an advantage over the player that much. Maybe you're just exaggerating, which in that case, I agree.
Reasons why Reach drives me nuts:

1. Player and his allies suck:

-melee. It's underpowered. It's slow. You have to have AI on reticle for collision to work. Meleeing friendly AI is much more difficult now. And of course, friendly AI don't do melee damage.

-weapons. Other than needle rifle and plasma rifle, the rest aren't fun to use, especially the DMR and magnum. And the concussion rifle when used by the player is pitifully weak against Covies. And of course, Bloom.

-shields. The player's shields get eaten up fast on Legendary. This wasn't the case in CE, where you could kill the enemies without losing a single bar of health even with your shields down.

-allies. They are not fun to fight with. Allies contribute to the fun factor a lot. If they're not fun, it's only going to be 1/2 the fun.

It's too easy to betray them yet it feels so good.

And of course, Noble Team sucks badly. And they are poor distractions because the Covies lose their interest fast when I get closer. And they 1sk.

-grenades. Frags are nukes but plasmas are underpowered and getting sticks is awkward (not that it matters since Elite Majors and higher can survive them). Of course, because of the Jackals, I have to use all my frags on them. And of course, only 2 of each grenade.

2. enemies are too op:

-damage sponges
-weapon damage
-shield stun time is absurd
-weapon cooldown time isn't very long
-plasma pistol overcharge, concussion rifle projectile speed
-infinite ammo power weapons, plasma pistol
-omniscient. At other times, oblivious
-unrefined behavior. Hunters do that weird dance which probably has something to do with their crouching. Jackals do not panic at all. Grunt panicking is rarely advantageous.

3. vehicles are underpowered:

-Wraith has only 2 good traits: powerful mortar and able to splatter without boosting. Other than that, it's just a sitting duck to Concussion Rifle shots and plasma pistol overcharges
-From what I've seen, the Revenant's mortars are weak
-From what I hear, the rocket hog isn't that great
-no other vehicles appear on LNoS

CE is fairer, more consistent, and more realistic.

[Edited on 12.27.2011 6:04 AM PST]

  • 12.27.2011 6:04 AM PDT


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
Reasons why Reach drives me nuts:

1. Player and his allies suck:

-melee. It's underpowered. It's slow. You have to have AI on reticle for collision to work. Meleeing friendly AI is much more difficult now. And of course, friendly AI don't do melee damage.

The melee isn't underpowered. I was messing around with a few ultras yesterday and I was able to kill one with around 5 punches. In Halo 2 or even our very own Combat Evolved, it would take much more.



-weapons. Other than needle rifle and plasma rifle, the rest aren't fun to use, especially the DMR and magnum. And the concussion rifle when used by the player is pitifully weak against Covies. And of course, Bloom.

Agreed. I stopped using the DMR all together. Even when I absolutely need it, I will not because it isn't fun to use. Also the needler, plasma pistol, repeater and focus rifle are fun weapons to me. Some are more tailored to precise situations, but they are fun nevertheless.



-shields. The player's shields get eaten up fast on Legendary. This wasn't the case in CE, where you could kill the enemies without losing a single bar of health even with your shields down.


Agreed.



-allies. They are not fun to fight with. Allies contribute to the fun factor a lot. If they're not fun, it's only going to be 1/2 the fun.

It's too easy to betray them yet it feels so good.

And of course, Noble Team sucks badly. And they are poor distractions because the Covies lose their interest fast when I get closer. And they 1sk.


Agreed. Though Noble team isn't that bad. I got Jorge to the top of the spire on TotS and he killed everything on heroic in a minute.



2. enemies are too op:

-damage sponges
-weapon damage
-shield stun time is absurd
-weapon cooldown time isn't very long
-plasma pistol overcharge, concussion rifle projectile speed
-infinite ammo power weapons, plasma pistol
-omniscient. At other times, oblivious
-unrefined behavior. Hunters do that weird dance which probably has something to do with their crouching. Jackals do not panic at all. Grunt panicking is rarely advantageous.


Agreed.



3. vehicles are underpowered:

-Wraith has only 2 good traits: powerful mortar and able to splatter without boosting. Other than that, it's just a sitting duck to Concussion Rifle shots and plasma pistol overcharges
-From what I've seen, the Revenant's mortars are weak
-From what I hear, the rocket hog isn't that great
-no other vehicles appear on LNoS

Disagree. The wraith sucks, yes. But the Gauss warthogs, falcons, banshees and scorpions are all juggernauts. Rockethogs are good for vehicles and infantry. However Legendary and up they suck something terrible.



CE is fairer, more consistent, and more realistic.

Agreed.

  • 12.27.2011 12:07 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.

Sliding Ghost, you always have to make really long rants dont you? :)

And yes, i suppose a lot of your points are valid. Thats why a play on easy and leave the pros to play of legendary

  • 12.27.2011 12:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Mark V guy
Sliding Ghost, you always have to make really long rants dont you? :)


I wouldn't call them rants. Also the more information given, the better reception and judgement someone will take into consideration when someone replies.



And yes, i suppose a lot of your points are valid. Thats why a play on easy and leave the pros to play of legendary

Pffft. The "pros" on legendary just find exploits and way around things. Heroic is where its at.

  • 12.27.2011 12:16 PM PDT

Halo 2 > Halo 3 > Halo 3 ODST > Halo Reach > Halo CE

Based on campaigns.


Posted by: InvasionImminent

Posted by: Mark V guy
Sliding Ghost, you always have to make really long rants dont you? :)


I wouldn't call them rants. Also the more information given, the better reception and judgement someone will take into consideration when someone replies.



And yes, i suppose a lot of your points are valid. Thats why a play on easy and leave the pros to play of legendary

Pffft. The "pros" on legendary just find exploits and way around things. Heroic is where its at.


Yes not rants, but, speeches

And when i tried heroic i died every five seconds lol

  • 12.27.2011 12:18 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Posted by: InvasionImminent
Agreed.
Posted by: Mark V guy
And yes, i suppose a lot of your points are valid.
Well, I'm glad you guys agreed with some of my points. This is much better than 'which Halo is better' wars.

Posted by: InvasionImminent

The melee isn't underpowered. I was messing around with a few ultras yesterday and I was able to kill one with around 5 punches. In Halo 2 or even our very own Combat Evolved, it would take much more.
True. I was thinking about Jackals when I typed that.

Posted by: InvasionImminent
Agreed. I stopped using the DMR all together. Even when I absolutely need it, I will not because it isn't fun to use. Also the needler, plasma pistol, repeater and focus rifle are fun weapons to me. Some are more tailored to precise situations, but they are fun nevertheless.
The Covie weapons are really great. But I can't use the needler effectively. :( Maybe it's because I'm used to the one in CE (don't have to have crosshair on enemy) and H3 (super accurate).

Posted by: InvasionImminent
Agreed. Though Noble team isn't that bad. I got Jorge to the top of the spire on TotS and he killed everything on heroic in a minute.
But that's Jorge. He has good range and is the only Noble Team with a brain (and conscious). And he's the only one who actually feels like Arbiter.

Carter just sucks, Kat is pretty fast with the pistol but from what I've seen, a really bad driver and with the DMR, also sucks, I've heard Jun doesn't know the meaning of stealth, and that Emile tries to snipe with his shotty.

Also, it's ridiculous how if I position the Wraith so that it's stuck and a Noble Team member gets in, they can fire at enemies they aren't facing, even if they're on the other side of the map!!

Posted by: InvasionImminent
Disagree. The wraith sucks, yes. But the Gauss warthogs, falcons, banshees and scorpions are all juggernauts. Rockethogs are good for vehicles and infantry. However Legendary and up they suck something terrible.
I curse M$, that they didn't use Tip of the Spear as a demo level. :'(

  • 12.27.2011 9:07 PM PDT
  • gamertag: [none]
  • user homepage:

Posted by: Mark V guy
Sliding Ghost, you always have to make really long rants dont you? :)
It's a way of life. :P

Posted by: InvasionImminent

Posted by: Mark V guy
Sliding Ghost, you always have to make really long rants dont you? :)


I wouldn't call them rants. Also the more information given, the better reception and judgement someone will take into consideration when someone replies.


And yes, i suppose a lot of your points are valid. Thats why a play on easy and leave the pros to play of legendary

Pffft. The "pros" on legendary just find exploits and way around things. Heroic is where its at.
My current rating of Reach is 4/10. It would be much higher if I had a better level to work with.

That's kinda true. Reach Legendary is mostly for speedrunners. Heroic is a bit better but Normal has the best health, damage, and shield strength. They really ought to make an in-between difficulty...

[Edited on 12.27.2011 9:09 PM PST]

  • 12.27.2011 9:09 PM PDT

  • Pages:
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • of 4