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Subject: ZB + Bloom take the same skill - infact...

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.

OP be trololololing.

And/or bad.

  • 12.06.2011 6:04 PM PDT

Posted by: RustedEdge
OP be trololololing.

And/or bad.
OP is a bad troll.

  • 12.06.2011 6:09 PM PDT

Ever wonder what's up there?

Posted by: Revvisnipzone of the best things about melee in MLG was that BK's could never kill you with melee
Each and every MLG livestream I've seen has pros going for the double melee.

  • 12.06.2011 6:10 PM PDT

It only takes a simple question to change everything.

Bloom
1. Player A aims at player B's head
2. Player A shoots
3. Player A misses a couple of shots even though he is aiming with perfection
4. Player B kills player A despite not having perfect aim because bloom has allowed his shots to go where he's not aiming
Obviously this is a good game mechanic that takes way more skill than the following...
ZB
1. Player A aims at player B's head
2. Player A shoots
3. Player A hits player B every time and wins due to superior skill
4. Player B loses because he had horrible aiming

  • 12.06.2011 6:15 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: static leet
nope. your just bad

No. But one thing is for sure. You're bad at spelling/Grammar.

  • 12.06.2011 6:21 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


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Posted by: RustedEdge
OP be trololololing.

And/or bad.
OP is a bad troll.


Proof? Or how about stay on topic and post something constuctive instead of making incorrect assumptions.

  • 12.06.2011 6:21 PM PDT

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Money don't grow on trees.
I got bills to pay, I got mouths to feed, There ain't nothing in this world for free.
I know I can't slow down, I can't hold back, though you know, I wish I could.
No there ain't no rest for the wicked,
Until we close our eyes for good.

Don't care.

  • 12.06.2011 6:22 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: angello22
Posted by: Revvisnipzone of the best things about melee in MLG was that BK's could never kill you with melee
Each and every MLG livestream I've seen has pros going for the double melee.


I meant triple melee, you can never get killed by that unless you're terribad.

  • 12.06.2011 6:22 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: Boberson1234
Bloom
1. Player A aims at player B's head
2. Player A shoots
3. Player A misses a couple of shots even though he is aiming with perfection
4. Player B kills player A despite not having perfect aim because bloom has allowed his shots to go where he's not aiming
Obviously this is a good game mechanic that takes way more skill than the following...
ZB
1. Player A aims at player B's head
2. Player A shoots
3. Player A hits player B every time and wins due to superior skill
4. Player B loses because he had horrible aiming


Uhm, if player B has horrible aim- He obviously isn't going to kill player A because he's not aiming at his head. Maybe Player A shouldn't have spammed against such a bad kid with bad aim and he easily would have won.

  • 12.06.2011 6:24 PM PDT

Bloom had the potential to take more skill than ZB but it was badly implemented.

  • 12.06.2011 6:24 PM PDT


Posted by: Revvisnipz

Uhm, if player B has horrible aim- He obviously isn't going to kill player A because he's not aiming at his head. Maybe Player A shouldn't have spammed against such a bad kid with bad aim and he easily would have won.


Nope, DMR 1v1 with bloom = More LUCKY player wins.
DMR 1V1 with ZB = More SKILLED player wins.

  • 12.06.2011 6:30 PM PDT

It only takes a simple question to change everything.

Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Boberson1234
Bloom
1. Player A aims at player B's head
2. Player A shoots
3. Player A misses a couple of shots even though he is aiming with perfection
4. Player B kills player A despite not having perfect aim because bloom has allowed his shots to go where he's not aiming
Obviously this is a good game mechanic that takes way more skill than the following...
ZB
1. Player A aims at player B's head
2. Player A shoots
3. Player A hits player B every time and wins due to superior skill
4. Player B loses because he had horrible aiming


Uhm, if player B has horrible aim- He obviously isn't going to kill player A because he's not aiming at his head. Maybe Player A shouldn't have spammed against such a bad kid with bad aim and he easily would have won.
Player B doesn't have to aim directly at his head because the crosshair expands to the point where it goes beyond where he is actually aiming, and bullet magnetism leads his shots to player A's head.. As far as not spamming:
1. Player A paces his shots
2. Player B spams
3. Even though player A paced his shots player B still wins because he got lucky and his shots went to player A's head and he shot faster
ZB is good because whoever has better aim in a 1v1 situation where both players are aware of each other, wins.

[Edited on 12.06.2011 6:31 PM PST]

  • 12.06.2011 6:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Boberson1234
Player B doesn't have to aim directly at his head because the crosshair expands to the point where it goes beyond where he is actually aiming, and bullet magnetism leads his shots to player A's head.. As far as not spamming:
1. Player A paces his shots
2. Player B spams
3. Even though player A paced his shots player B still wins because he got lucky and his shots went to player A's head and he shot faster
ZB is good because whoever has better aim in a 1v1 situation where both players are aware of each other, wins.


Thousands of times that happened to me.

  • 12.06.2011 6:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Revvisnipz
I would even go to say that Bloom takes more skill.
I stopped reading here.

  • 12.06.2011 6:35 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: Boberson1234
Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Boberson1234
Bloom
1. Player A aims at player B's head
2. Player A shoots
3. Player A misses a couple of shots even though he is aiming with perfection
4. Player B kills player A despite not having perfect aim because bloom has allowed his shots to go where he's not aiming
Obviously this is a good game mechanic that takes way more skill than the following...
ZB
1. Player A aims at player B's head
2. Player A shoots
3. Player A hits player B every time and wins due to superior skill
4. Player B loses because he had horrible aiming


Uhm, if player B has horrible aim- He obviously isn't going to kill player A because he's not aiming at his head. Maybe Player A shouldn't have spammed against such a bad kid with bad aim and he easily would have won.
Player B doesn't have to aim directly at his head because the crosshair expands to the point where it goes beyond where he is actually aiming, and bullet magnetism leads his shots to player A's head.. As far as not spamming:
1. Player A paces his shots
2. Player B spams
3. Even though player A paced his shots player B still wins because he got lucky and his shots went to player A's head and he shot faster
ZB is good because whoever has better aim in a 1v1 situation where both players are aware of each other, wins.


Uhm yeah, you just proved yourself wrong. So aparently the magnitism always pulls it towards player A's head. Why don't you use that extremely good tactic!!!

The retcile doesn't expand enough for them not to be aiming at the head. They are still aiming for they head, maybe they are compensating for bloom by aiming slightly off.



Are you trying to say that player B was not aiming at player A's head at all? If this is the case shot 1, 2, 3 would miss as he is aiming off to the side(and reticle has not fully expanded). Shot 4 and 5 would hit(which is still only 2 shots on player A at this point. If player A can't take out player B by pacing his last shot when he only has 2 shots on him- yeah he is bad and deserves to die.

  • 12.06.2011 6:41 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


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Posted by: Revvisnipz
I would even go to say that Bloom takes more skill.
I stopped reading here.


Keep reading, you may learn something! You may even post a constructive response proving me wrong because all you're doing right now is giving up and saying OP is correct i have no comebacks.

  • 12.06.2011 6:42 PM PDT
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May I see your gamertag? Just to see where you actually stand.

  • 12.06.2011 6:44 PM PDT

Here's the bottom line comrade:

No Bloom = no randomness, and runs purely on player vs player aim
Bloom = randomness, and luck can factor into who wins a gun battle

Therefore, no Bloom is he more skillful expression of gameplay. That's it. No two ways about it, it is factual and not up for debate.

  • 12.06.2011 6:45 PM PDT

It only takes a simple question to change everything.

Uhm yeah, you just proved yourself wrong. So aparently the magnitism always pulls it towards player A's head. Why don't you use that extremely good tactic!!!

The retcile doesn't expand enough for them not to be aiming at the head. They are still aiming for they head, maybe they are compensating for bloom by aiming slightly off.[/quote]


Are you trying to say that player B was not aiming at player A's head at all? If this is the case shot 1, 2, 3 would miss as he is aiming off to the side(and reticle has not fully expanded). Shot 4 and 5 would hit(which is still only 2 shots on player A at this point. If player A can't take out player B by pacing his last shot when he only has 2 shots on him- yeah he is bad and deserves to die.
I don't think you understand my point. Bloom relies on chance way to much. This means that rather than individual player skill, the game itself has a large outcome on battles. I just prefer to have it where whoever is better wins. I don't like it whenever the game has a large impact on who wins or loses.
Edit: lol I put my post in the quote.


[Edited on 12.06.2011 6:53 PM PST]

  • 12.06.2011 6:46 PM PDT

why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

  • 12.06.2011 6:49 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


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Overall K/d is 2.23

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What else do you want to know?

  • 12.06.2011 6:49 PM PDT
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RC RuNz the internet. Like the superintendent.

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Clone is an internet God.

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RC Clone is the anti-thesis of a lurker.

Posted by: Ghost Bn
why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

Except the part when he said that the only time you miss with bloom is when you have bad aim. According to him its impossible to be aiming at a guy's head and have bloom make you miss.

  • 12.06.2011 6:50 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: Ghost Bn
why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

Because 90% of this forum calls me bad for having this opinion, they say i'm worng and that no bloom is better. I would like actually reasons instead of those derpstatments.

  • 12.06.2011 6:52 PM PDT


Posted by: RC Clone
Posted by: Ghost Bn
why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

Except the part when he said that the only time you miss with bloom is when you have bad aim. According to him its impossible to be aiming at a guy's head and have bloom make you miss.


Hardly..cant account for..randomness..but point stands..no statistical research... nothing to prove or disprove..just another blatant opinion passed as "fact"...a glorified rant all this is.

  • 12.06.2011 6:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Ghost Bn
why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

Because 90% of this forum calls me bad for having this opinion, they say i'm worng and that no bloom is better. I would like actually reasons instead of those derpstatments.


its their opinion...except they prove why you are bad...

  • 12.06.2011 6:53 PM PDT