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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


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Posted by: Ghost Bn
why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

Except the part when he said that the only time you miss with bloom is when you have bad aim. According to him its impossible to be aiming at a guy's head and have bloom make you miss.


Didn't even read your post but 0.12K/d, 100% loss. LOL

  • 12.06.2011 6:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.


Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Ghost Bn
why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

Because 90% of this forum calls me bad for having this opinion, they say i'm worng and that no bloom is better. I would like actually reasons instead of those derpstatments.


You clearly can't see past the opinions ITT.

  • 12.06.2011 6:53 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: Ghost Bn

Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Ghost Bn
why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

Because 90% of this forum calls me bad for having this opinion, they say i'm worng and that no bloom is better. I would like actually reasons instead of those derpstatments.


its their opinion...except they prove why you are bad...


No one has proved anything against me yet?

  • 12.06.2011 6:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: RyanW
May I see your gamertag? Just to see where you actually stand.

  • 12.06.2011 6:55 PM PDT
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Hey, uh, if you like vs threads, then check out this little group right here, if you have the time. It's pretty fun, just hop right in.

Bloom...no bloom...I'm the guy who can shoot lightning out of his hands.

  • 12.06.2011 6:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.


Posted by: Revvisnipz
No one has proved anything against me yet?


2nd page. Responses right there.

  • 12.06.2011 6:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Ghost Bn

Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Ghost Bn
why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

Because 90% of this forum calls me bad for having this opinion, they say i'm worng and that no bloom is better. I would like actually reasons instead of those derpstatments.


its their opinion...except they prove why you are bad...


No one has proved anything against me yet?


Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
Here's the bottom line comrade:

No Bloom = no randomness, and runs purely on player vs player aim
Bloom = randomness, and luck can factor into who wins a gun battle

Therefore, no Bloom is the more skillful expression of gameplay. That's it. No two ways about it, it is factual and not up for debate.


Here ya go sunshine.

  • 12.06.2011 6:56 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


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Posted by: RyanW
May I see your gamertag? Just to see where you actually stand.


I posted information, what else do you want? I'm not posting my GT because everyone i play with/everyone on these forums will have a big ole winge about how my opinion is different to theirs. Don't care if they say i'm bad without knowing who i am. Because i know i'm probably better than most of them.

  • 12.06.2011 6:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: RyanW

Posted by: RyanW
May I see your gamertag? Just to see where you actually stand.


I posted information, what else do you want? I'm not posting my GT because everyone i play with/everyone on these forums will have a big ole winge about how my opinion is different to theirs. Don't care if they say i'm bad without knowing who i am. Because i know i'm probably better than most of them.


Then your opinion is invalid until we actually see your stats to see where you stand.

  • 12.06.2011 6:59 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken

Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Ghost Bn

Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Ghost Bn
why must we prove anything to you?.. Your opinion is your own...its not a fact nor a statistical research..there is nothing for us to "disprove"..there is simply no point.

Because 90% of this forum calls me bad for having this opinion, they say i'm worng and that no bloom is better. I would like actually reasons instead of those derpstatments.


its their opinion...except they prove why you are bad...


No one has proved anything against me yet?


Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
Here's the bottom line comrade:

No Bloom = no randomness, and runs purely on player vs player aim
Bloom = randomness, and luck can factor into who wins a gun battle

Therefore, no Bloom is the more skillful expression of gameplay. That's it. No two ways about it, it is factual and not up for debate.


Here ya go sunshine.


Did you read the OP? Occasionally i must admit you can lose to a spammer but no often at all. You should be able to outstrafe him in vanilla=pacing shots win.

I'm talking about skill, here not randomness, you need skill to pace shots correctly aim for head etc.

With such short ZB kill times, both players can 5shot each other nearly instantly(unless they suck) And if they do suck and are missing THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HIT YOU WHEN BLOOM IS PRESENT.

  • 12.06.2011 7:01 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: RyanW

Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: RyanW

Posted by: RyanW
May I see your gamertag? Just to see where you actually stand.


I posted information, what else do you want? I'm not posting my GT because everyone i play with/everyone on these forums will have a big ole winge about how my opinion is different to theirs. Don't care if they say i'm bad without knowing who i am. Because i know i'm probably better than most of them.


Then your opinion is invalid until we actually see your stats to see where you stand.


My opinion is valid no matter what. You may have more respect for it if you know my GT but it's still valid.

  • 12.06.2011 7:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.

Posted by: Revvisnipz
Did you read the OP? Occasionally i must admit you can lose to a spammer but no often at all. You should be able to outstrafe him in vanilla=pacing shots win.

I'm talking about skill, here not randomness, you need skill to pace shots correctly aim for head etc.

With such short ZB kill times, both players can 5shot each other nearly instantly(unless they suck) And if they do suck and are missing THEY ARE NOT GOING TO HIT YOU WHEN BLOOM IS PRESENT.


Losing to a spammer was because of randomness. There's no point in pacing your shots when you have a chance of losing to a spammer. Strafing and jumping doesn't do anything thanks to bullet magnetism.

ZB kill times are just as short as H3's kill times.

[Edited on 12.06.2011 7:04 PM PST]

  • 12.06.2011 7:03 PM PDT

BANANA B0B


Posted by: Revvisnipz


Uhm yeah, you just proved yourself wrong. So aparently the magnitism always pulls it towards player A's head. Why don't you use that extremely good tactic!!!



Good tactic? I think any game that encourages you not to aim where you want your shots to go is pretty much broken. Believe you just proved yourself wrong if you call that skill!

  • 12.06.2011 7:04 PM PDT

It doesn't matter. Gameplay systems that introduce an element of random chance automatically become less skillful regardless of extenuating circumstances. You admit it yourself: you occasionally will lose to a spammer.Why? Because of luck. In no bloom, those two players would be solely reliant on their aiming skills to win, not a randomized, expanded reticule. Kill times are irrelevant to this discussion.

  • 12.06.2011 7:04 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: BANANA B0B

Posted by: Revvisnipz


Uhm yeah, you just proved yourself wrong. So aparently the magnitism always pulls it towards player A's head. Why don't you use that extremely good tactic!!!



Wow dude-Learn2Sarcasm.

Good tactic? I think any game that encourages you not to aim where you want your shots to go is pretty much broken. Believe you just proved yourself wrong if you call that skill!

  • 12.06.2011 7:07 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.


Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: BANANA B0B

Posted by: Revvisnipz


Uhm yeah, you just proved yourself wrong. So aparently the magnitism always pulls it towards player A's head. Why don't you use that extremely good tactic!!!



Wow dude-Learn2Sarcasm.

Good tactic? I think any game that encourages you not to aim where you want your shots to go is pretty much broken. Believe you just proved yourself wrong if you call that skill!


lrn2quote

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  • 12.06.2011 7:09 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: RustedEdge

Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: BANANA B0B

Posted by: Revvisnipz


Uhm yeah, you just proved yourself wrong. So aparently the magnitism always pulls it towards player A's head. Why don't you use that extremely good tactic!!!



Wow dude-Learn2Sarcasm.

Good tactic? I think any game that encourages you not to aim where you want your shots to go is pretty much broken. Believe you just proved yourself wrong if you call that skill!


lrn2quote

loldetectingsarcasmontheinternet


Damn i failed, thought it was obvious with the !!! but obviously not..

  • 12.06.2011 7:11 PM PDT
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About ICanHasRofl being a host booter.

Lawl.

Posted by: nicksta14
He's told me he does, you're acting like he's afraid to own up to it. Which he isn't.


Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
It doesn't matter. Gameplay systems that introduce an element of random chance automatically become less skillful regardless of extenuating circumstances. You admit it yourself: you occasionally will lose to a spammer.Why? Because of luck. In no bloom, those two players would be solely reliant on their aiming skills to win, not a randomized, expanded reticule. Kill times are irrelevant to this discussion.


Lose to spammer = in ZB they would kill you anyway because they can actually aim at your head and pull the trigger at max RoF.

[Edited on 12.06.2011 7:13 PM PST]

  • 12.06.2011 7:13 PM PDT

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I know I can't slow down, I can't hold back, though you know, I wish I could.
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Until we close our eyes for good.

lol

Only a f­ucking nerd would care about this sh­it still.

  • 12.06.2011 7:13 PM PDT


Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: Ryus Shoryuken
It doesn't matter. Gameplay systems that introduce an element of random chance automatically become less skillful regardless of extenuating circumstances. You admit it yourself: you occasionally will lose to a spammer.Why? Because of luck. In no bloom, those two players would be solely reliant on their aiming skills to win, not a randomized, expanded reticule. Kill times are irrelevant to this discussion.


Lose to spammer = in ZB they would kill you anyway because they can actually aim at your head and pull the trigger at max RoF anyway.


That's not how it works at all. Like, at all.

  • 12.06.2011 7:14 PM PDT
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Your bad, 1v1 me bloom and zb and we will see what happens.

  • 12.06.2011 7:14 PM PDT

BANANA B0B


Posted by: Revvisnipz

Posted by: BANANA B0B

Posted by: Revvisnipz


Uhm yeah, you just proved yourself wrong. So aparently the magnitism always pulls it towards player A's head. Why don't you use that extremely good tactic!!!



Wow dude-Learn2Sarcasm.

Good tactic? I think any game that encourages you not to aim where you want your shots to go is pretty much broken. Believe you just proved yourself wrong if you call that skill!


Wow dude-learn to quote.

If that's sarcasm then that must mean bullet magnetism doesn't exist. Oh wait, IT DOES! So what I said actually happens which is utterly ridiculous for any competitive shooter! To not have your shots go where you aim with a precision weapon doesn't make any sense, and Reach promotes that with bloom. In turn bloom is a random and broken mechanic.

  • 12.06.2011 7:14 PM PDT

Please don't hype for games...
They'll just fall short of your expectations and you'll complain for months.

It's this forum OP. If you don't expect mass hate, something is wrong with you.

OT: Dunno exactly. I seem to have more fun playing ZB, but does having fun= taking skill? It also seems that I do slightly better in ZB but I suck, so my opinion is invalid.


Posted by: RustedEdge

Losing to a spammer was because of randomness. There's no point in pacing your shots when you have a chance of losing to a spammer. Strafing and jumping doesn't do anything thanks to bullet magnetism.

ZB kill times are just as short as H3's kill times.


With perfect connection, but with H3's netcode?

[Edited on 12.06.2011 7:16 PM PST]

  • 12.06.2011 7:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Life is a journey, if you spend all of it with your nose in your map, you may miss some of the best parts.


Posted by: Alpha00
With perfect connection, but with H3's netcode?


That didn't even make sense. You meant on LAN.

  • 12.06.2011 7:17 PM PDT