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Subject: Bungie please take back Halo Reach.

I cannot help you with the troubles you have made upon yourself. I can only help you not make them again.

Bungie Reach is no longer Reach 343 is killing the game. Once 343 took over the population of the game went from 130,000 to now 45,000 a day. More and more people are leaving the game. Please do something. How can you just sit back and watch them kill your game. Halo is bungie's legacy. Please don't sit back and watch your legacy die. Community please keep this going. If you agree say something.

[Edited on 12.07.2011 1:10 AM PST]

  • 12.07.2011 1:09 AM PDT

What is 343 changing that makes you so upset?

  • 12.07.2011 1:10 AM PDT

I cannot help you with the troubles you have made upon yourself. I can only help you not make them again.

Well the first thing is that Reach was great before 343 started to try to fix it. It did not need to be fixed. Reach was it's own game its not halo 1,2 or ,3 So don't try to change the setting of matchmaking to play like a different game. I'm a big halo fan I love all the halo games but each game had something special about it. Reach is a completely new halo with new guns to armor abilities. But 343 thinks it's better to change it like halo 3. This is not right. Leave the game alone.

  • 12.07.2011 1:24 AM PDT
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You don't need to know what to look for, you just have to look.

Majority rules, 343 listened to the community. They called for changes to make Reach similar to previous Halo games where Bungie did things correctly.

Bungie was the one that tried to fix something that wasn't broken. Not 343.

  • 12.07.2011 2:06 AM PDT

I DO have time to bleed...i just dont want to.

343i are fixing reach, they are making it more like a halo game.

  • 12.07.2011 2:48 AM PDT

I am a Halo Enthusiest that loves to talk about the universe. Though I may not be the best multiplayer, I play for the fun and the unforgettable moments. If you play for a good time and for a little competition, then im your guy.

They really do need to fix certain things on Reach. One thing that really angered me in the game was the appearance of the awesome Jiralhanae or Brutes. I know the game Reach is set a long time before the events of Halo 3 but that does not mean they should give the jiralhanae an ugly makeover. In the past two Halo games (Halo 3 and ODST) the brutes were excellently portrayed making them some of the most respected and feared enemies the Covenant had to offer.
Now in Halo: Reach, the brutes have a very like appearance to that of a buff and deformed baby doll. The brutes honeslty should not have changed anatomically during the time of Reach to the events on The Ark. If 343 kept them as close as Bungie had them in Halo 3, i would be very satisfied.
Also while I am on the topic of the Jiralhanae race, why is there not any choppers in Reach? The iconic vehicle of the brutes has, according to the novels, been around since its invention at the Harvest contact.
Maybe im over reacting about this but they could have done a better job with the brutes in Reach. They deserve some respect.

  • 12.07.2011 11:40 AM PDT

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Reach was great the way it was. If I wanted a game that played like Halo 3 I'd play Halo 3. I'm just glad 343i had the good sense not to apply the TU changes to all the playlists.

  • 12.07.2011 11:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: Grunthero
They really do need to fix certain things on Reach. One thing that really angered me in the game was the appearance of the awesome Jiralhanae or Brutes. I know the game Reach is set a long time before the events of Halo 3 but that does not mean they should give the jiralhanae an ugly makeover. In the past two Halo games (Halo 3 and ODST) the brutes were excellently portrayed making them some of the most respected and feared enemies the Covenant had to offer.
Now in Halo: Reach, the brutes have a very like appearance to that of a buff and deformed baby doll. The brutes honeslty should not have changed anatomically during the time of Reach to the events on The Ark. If 343 kept them as close as Bungie had them in Halo 3, i would be very satisfied.
Also while I am on the topic of the Jiralhanae race, why is there not any choppers in Reach? The iconic vehicle of the brutes has, according to the novels, been around since its invention at the Harvest contact.
Maybe im over reacting about this but they could have done a better job with the brutes in Reach. They deserve some respect.


It's da Moonbabies!

  • 12.07.2011 11:59 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

LOL.

Reach was an abomination from the start. 343 can't do much to improve it.

  • 12.07.2011 12:03 PM PDT
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I agree, but Reach in it's own aspect is broken. Christ, over half the stuff in the game just sits around going un-used.

Weapon variety, what a joke. All you need is a DMR, Sniper is optional. You have all those guns laying about that nobody uses because they suck or require very specific conditions to work properly.

Vehicular combat is now like a rigged game of rock paper scissors. Vehicles can be killed with small arms fire. Broken vehicles have basically been removed and ignored, aka, scorpion and banshee, rather than fixed.

Take a look at AA's. How many have been removed and almost completely stuffed away into a dark little closet because of their faults?

Maps and gametypes. Anyone remember Juggernaught and Headhunter? Yeah, those sure were put to good use. Anyone remember Boneyard or Spire outside of Invasion?

What exactly was the point of putting playable Elites in Reach? You have Invasion which is for the most part imbalanced because of crap weapons and maps. You occasionally have it pop up in slayer and that for the most part sucks too. Then you have customs, which, since the past updates for them has slowly removed Elites from any new gametypes, aka, Alpha Zombie. And with co-op species being a no-no, all you really have is imbalanced Invasion.


I don't want Reach to be Halo 3, as I've had my run on it. If I was still having my run on it, I'd play it over Reach a million times over. But the point is, Reach in itself needs fixing. 343 is taking a step in the right direction, but they need to go straight to the core of the problem, not toss in things from past Halos, as past Halo's mechanics and gameplay doesn't work very well with Reach and it's engine.

They need to fix the game itself. Reach will never play like old Halo's, and if it was changed to do so, it would feel like an impostor still.

And the sad thing is, 343 was too late. There isn't a point to fixing Reach, as most of the players have left, the vast majority of the ones who wanted it fixed have all gone. Why fix a dead game? The only reason those updates were put out was just to hold the few remaining Halo players off until halo 4 arrives.


So don't get your panties in a not, I doubt 343 will do anymore than what they've done already. You shouldn't blame them, you should blame the crappy community and Bungie for making a half ass untested game, unfixed game.

  • 12.07.2011 12:22 PM PDT


Posted by: CGNE
Majority rules, 343 listened to the community. They called for changes to make Reach similar to previous Halo games where Bungie did things correctly.

Bungie was the one that tried to fix something that wasn't broken. Not 343.


The forums are by no means the majority, out of the whole population of Halo players the forums goers are the very smallest minority and not even HALF of the forum population complains about Reach. All the complaints I've ever seen are from the same 50 or so people (I'm sure it's not even that) on both here and on the Waypoint forums. So your assumption that the majority of the Halo fanbase hates or has huge problems with Reach is rather baseless.

And Halo 3 was very broken in comparison to Reach, all I saw anyone ever use in Halo 3 was the BR, weapon balance was atrocious. Every weapon except the BR was practically useless in comparison to it. And not to mention all the problems with the boosters, multiple accounts, de-rankers etc. that the old ranking system provided. And the melee system as well, the bleed-through system has many flaws with it. I honestly don't get why the "pro" aspect of Halo's community doesn't have a problem with it when there are obvious flaws to it. Reach has fixed these problems and vastly improved Halo in regards to those aspects. So your claim that Bungie was fixing things that didn't need fixing is also rather baseless. Plus games need to constantly evolve, they can't stay the same each and every time, they stagnate and it all gets old and boring. New aspects need to be brought in or some old systems dropped from time to time to keep the series from going stagnant. Rehashing the same old thing game after game (as so many of Halo's fans seem to want) is not the way to maintain a series.

  • 12.07.2011 12:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Sandtrap
I agree, but Reach in it's own aspect is broken. Christ, over half the stuff in the game just sits around going un-used.

Weapon variety, what a joke. All you need is a DMR, Sniper is optional. You have all those guns laying about that nobody uses because they suck or require very specific conditions to work properly.

Vehicular combat is now like a rigged game of rock paper scissors. Vehicles can be killed with small arms fire. Broken vehicles have basically been removed and ignored, aka, scorpion and banshee, rather than fixed.

Take a look at AA's. How many have been removed and almost completely stuffed away into a dark little closet because of their faults?

Maps and gametypes. Anyone remember Juggernaught and Headhunter? Yeah, those sure were put to good use. Anyone remember Boneyard or Spire outside of Invasion?

What exactly was the point of putting playable Elites in Reach? You have Invasion which is for the most part imbalanced because of crap weapons and maps. You occasionally have it pop up in slayer and that for the most part sucks too. Then you have customs, which, since the past updates for them has slowly removed Elites from any new gametypes, aka, Alpha Zombie. And with co-op species being a no-no, all you really have is imbalanced Invasion.


I don't want Reach to be Halo 3, as I've had my run on it. If I was still having my run on it, I'd play it over Reach a million times over. But the point is, Reach in itself needs fixing. 343 is taking a step in the right direction, but they need to go straight to the core of the problem, not toss in things from past Halos, as past Halo's mechanics and gameplay doesn't work very well with Reach and it's engine.

They need to fix the game itself. Reach will never play like old Halo's, and if it was changed to do so, it would feel like an impostor still.

And the sad thing is, 343 was too late. There isn't a point to fixing Reach, as most of the players have left, the vast majority of the ones who wanted it fixed have all gone. Why fix a dead game? The only reason those updates were put out was just to hold the few remaining Halo players off until halo 4 arrives.


So don't get your panties in a not, I doubt 343 will do anymore than what they've done already. You shouldn't blame them, you should blame the crappy community and Bungie for making a half ass untested game, unfixed game.


Pretty much this.

OP also forgets that 343i's "changes" are by no means obligatory. They are 100% optional and are sticking to their own playlists. It's like being offended over the fact watermelon flavored ice cream even exists. What's the point? Did watermelon ice cream kidnap your child or something? If you don't like it, don't eat/play it.

OP is also attributing the lower population soley to the "changes" 343i made, completely ignoring the possibility people are playing other games, they['re at work, or aren't on Reach right now because the servers have been freaking out for the past month (at least on CEA; I haven't put my Reach disk in since Anniversary came out).

OP also ignores the fact that many of the choices made for Reach were questionable. Not just gameplay (my only real problem with it was bloom and the overall randomness, tbh) but it just doesn't have that Halo feel, the feel in both gameplay and appearance. This is a feel I believe has returned with the advent of Anniversary game types and maps; fast, brutal, quick and with a tone of science fiction/fantasy, not just slower-paced with a military aesthetic.

OP is also in the wrong forum.


And for those saying 343i just took out bloom instead of fixing it: they did fix it. 95% bloom, and whatever is used for the Anniversary pistol, makes the idea of bloom more bearable.

  • 12.07.2011 1:08 PM PDT


Posted by: Grunthero
They really do need to fix certain things on Reach. One thing that really angered me in the game was the appearance of the awesome Jiralhanae or Brutes. I know the game Reach is set a long time before the events of Halo 3 but that does not mean they should give the jiralhanae an ugly makeover. In the past two Halo games (Halo 3 and ODST) the brutes were excellently portrayed making them some of the most respected and feared enemies the Covenant had to offer.
Now in Halo: Reach, the brutes have a very like appearance to that of a buff and deformed baby doll. The brutes honeslty should not have changed anatomically during the time of Reach to the events on The Ark. If 343 kept them as close as Bungie had them in Halo 3, i would be very satisfied.
Also while I am on the topic of the Jiralhanae race, why is there not any choppers in Reach? The iconic vehicle of the brutes has, according to the novels, been around since its invention at the Harvest contact.
Maybe im over reacting about this but they could have done a better job with the brutes in Reach. They deserve some respect.


Well you do know that not all human races look the same right? The same holds true of any race or species, I don't think it's a stretch that some tribes of Brutes would have rather different looks to them than the ones we saw in Halo2/3/ODST. Case in point being the Jackals and Skirmishers, they're both part of the Kig-Yar species, but they look rather radically different from each other. Why wouldn't the same hold true for Brutes?

And besides, they're not even that different in appearance.
The only real difference between them is the skull, and even then it's not much, the old Brutes had a similar design to their skull, it just wasn't as pronounced. And as for lack of hair or some such, not all the Brute tribes shave the same way. Some of them shave a lot of their fur off and have a rather "clean" appearance (in comparison to their kindred). For instance the Brutes in Halo 2 and Halo 3/ODST. Tartarus and his clan didn't really shave or use much armor and looked rather like unkempt barbarians, while the Brutes in Halo 3 and ODST liked a more cleanly appearance and wore more armor.

As for the Choppers, you really weren't in too many places where they could have been used, at least when you encountered Brutes in the game. Most of the time when you fought with any Brutes you were on rooftops, in close-quarters situations, or just places where a Chopper wouldn't have been appropriate to the terrain (such as the landing zone you have to hold on the last part of the Pillar of Autumn level). Also, the Brutes weren't the main staple force of the Covenant yet, the Elites were still in charge of the military, and before First Strike/Halo 2 Brutes weren't encountered much by UNSC forces on the front lines. Brutes operate more as security behind Covenant lines or as fighters in an occupied zone such as New Alexandria.

  • 12.07.2011 1:21 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Reach sucked more when Bungie was in control. 343i made improvements, but [now I'm entitled to my opinion] it's not a consistant game in terms of overall quailty compared to the trilogy.

I.e: It's like polishing a turd, no matter how hard you scrub, it's still a turd.

  • 12.07.2011 2:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Grunthero
The reason why brutes looked good in Halo 3 was because they were in command of the covenant. The brutes got all the good tech when the elites were kicked out. At the time of Reach, the brutes were still the ones to do the simple things that elites had no time for. Here is where it says that the brutes do not have a leadership role. The brutes where more of an unorganized clan than a, clean, powerful, and modern aged species, which seems to be what Bungie wanted to portray.

To answer the OP, I agree. I thought that I would really like the updates but now, I still like going back to the classic Reach playlists. I feel your pain.

[Edited on 12.07.2011 2:40 PM PST]

  • 12.07.2011 2:37 PM PDT

Lots of the halo players are probably just playing the newer games. such as skyrim, Halo CEA, MW3...

Also I agree the brutes look more like a gorilla then what they looked like in the other halo games.

[Edited on 12.07.2011 3:39 PM PST]

  • 12.07.2011 3:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: FREEDOM118
Well the first thing is that Reach was great before 343 started to try to fix it. It did not need to be fixed. Reach was it's own game its not halo 1,2 or ,3 So don't try to change the setting of matchmaking to play like a different game. I'm a big halo fan I love all the halo games but each game had something special about it. Reach is a completely new halo with new guns to armor abilities. But 343 thinks it's better to change it like halo 3. This is not right. Leave the game alone.


You do realize that all of the "vanilla" matchmaking playlists are still here, right? No-bloom is in its own playlist. There's ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to be -blam!-ing about.

Smart move on 343's part. The Halo fans that are blindly trapped in the past are now happy, and the Halo fans that welcome awesome change are still happy.

  • 12.07.2011 4:23 PM PDT
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I'm really good at forging on Halo Reach, i make race maps the most. I don't really put them on my file share, just because of haters will hate.

Anyway, you can call me Zachory, or Zack, both names i'm cool with. I don't forum that much, only if i need help or just a little bored.Well my fingers kinda hurt now so talk to you later.

Reppin' Team Silverback

I have noticed that the population of online players has went down a lot sense 1 month after the game came out, so i agree with you. :)

  • 12.07.2011 4:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: switch 104 sv
Reach was great the way it was. If I wanted a game that played like Halo 3 I'd play Halo 3. I'm just glad 343i had the good sense not to apply the TU changes to all the playlists.


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  • 12.07.2011 10:51 PM PDT
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doll: so you know i can't aim right without my glasses right?
devotedkinkajou: yeah, its okay you'll do fine!
15 min later...
devotedkinkajou: you killed me five times
doll: i told you
devotedkinkajou: THEY WERE ALL HEAD SHOTS, AND TWICE WITH A HAMMER!!!!
doll: you were in the way.

you know, they should work on their new games then try and fix a game that's already out, its like asking someone to beta test when the item that their 'testing' has been out for years, its pointless. i'm not going to judge 343i till halo 4 comes out. that and i haven't played reach cause i no longer have the game (my bf's brother took it back) so yeah...

  • 12.07.2011 10:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: CGNE
Majority rules, 343 listened to the community. They called for changes to make Reach similar to previous Halo games where Bungie did things correctly.

Bungie was the one that tried to fix something that wasn't broken. Not 343.


Unfortunately the "majority" that 343 listens to and Bungie appeared to ignore was usually just the vocal minority.

  • 12.07.2011 11:22 PM PDT
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:)

OH NO 343i ADDED PLAYLISTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY WORTH PLAYING AND KEPT THE ORIGINAL REACH FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY THAT TOO

Grow up mate.

  • 12.08.2011 12:37 AM PDT

"Life to you stepson and everlasting glory. " Thifes World.

I find it funny you all did not play stockpile or Headhunter and any of the new stuff still wanting the old. Not saying old is bad but Bungie did try. Those that did not play the Beta do not understand. You complain because you expected a game to play like the old ones.

Reach is far from that. 343i has yet to prove themselves until Halo 4. Halo Reach is FAR from broken. Bungie pushed things to the Limit. Only reason why those things weapons maps and such are left out because you chose not to play them. Quit whining. When you see the Screen for maps and game type guess what you picked what was easy most familiar. IF it is any one it is you the other gamers who Cry about a great game wanting what will never be again. Halo 3 is Halo 3. Move on stop blaming others. I have watched many of you pick out of stupidity or selfishness for kills and such. Minority of players like my self want to enjoy the game explore new maps.

But you...made it plain that it was not worth bungies time. While they were still around to make new content since you all plainly wanted them to conform to yer playing stlye. How Dare they.! So when there contract was up they left for business reasons(Microsoft Contract up). Bungie will not be involved in another Halo game. So answer me this did you try new? or same old song and dance?...i would say choice number two.

Reason why players are leaving is because Halo Reach was designed by Bungie. If they wanted the same old Halo why bother makeing reach. Also They expect Bungie like content or the way they ran things. 343i is still new kid on the block learning what needs to be done. Not to say it is better or worse just different approaches and thinking. You all need to stop expecting more than what can be given. Stop whining all together. The reason they made changes is because you all wanted more familiar stuff. Had you expanded yer minds Stockpile Headhunter all the cool stuff would have been around now would it not ? Its about choices you did not favor the content bungie had. You got a wish now are complaining about 343i well too bad suck it up.

Just a side note most liked Reach the way it was. Old content like Griffball ect is great to play on Reach. many things that neeeded to be fixed were going to be now are. It is sad that Microsoft did not let Bungie have the rights to Halo but what is done is done. Now 343 is trying to appease every one who screams Halo 3...no. no not that...HALO 2....No not that..Like i said have fun with it all. I liked Reach when bungie ran it now i am out points for content that i cannot acess. Sadly the buissness world does affect the game world now and then.





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  • 12.08.2011 1:10 AM PDT

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Posted by: jross1993
OH NO 343i ADDED PLAYLISTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY WORTH PLAYING AND KEPT THE ORIGINAL REACH FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO PLAY THAT TOO

Grow up mate.
You do realise this is a Bungie Product and that with out them 343i might as well wait till Halo 4. No matter how many changes or what not it still will not be the same. Worth while playlists right...you do realize that Wall-Mart and K-mart are diffrent right...same with the game. Not better or worse just doing things the way they interpet them. Now when you grow up let me know ..oK.

  • 12.08.2011 1:24 AM PDT

I am a Halo Enthusiest that loves to talk about the universe. Though I may not be the best multiplayer, I play for the fun and the unforgettable moments. If you play for a good time and for a little competition, then im your guy.

That makes much more sense now. thanks

  • 12.08.2011 4:13 AM PDT